AMD Radeon VII Benchmark/Launch Mega Thread

[ToneStar]

It is way overpriced it should be about $420 for what you get.

 

2080 TI should be $700

2080 should be $500

2070 should be $350

2060 should be $280

 

[Dylanc1500]

2 minutes ago, ThePD said:

Most 2080s are more expensive than 700 dollars. Some models go as high as 900 USD.

It's relitiviely easy to find 2080 models cheaper than $699 as well. So that is something to keep in mind.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, maartendc said:

Well, that is one way to "win" a debate.

 

Good for you, you won.

if you think there's even a ''debate'' to be had as to wheter or not the RTX 2080 is a VASTLY superior offering in terms of 700$ graphics card, then i'm sorry i can't fix you

 

[maartendc]

3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

no ray tracing will not die off

its not proprietary

you cant leap forward if stepping stones arent in place

Nvidia be like:

 

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Hey, look at it this way: Your 1080Ti was the best investment ever. Because it still would be great value even today. (kind of sad, but good for you!)

 

Heck, I feel the same way about my 980Ti, which I bought used for $350 about 2 years ago. At that price, it is still only 12% slower than a RTX 2060 (which is $349). Still does everything I could need it to do at 1440P/60.

Best GPU investment this generation was actually a pre-ordered RX Vega 64, since you could mine on it from day 1. There's a chunk of r/AMD that profited from preordering. Haha.

 

But used 1080 Tis are still the best deal right now. The Radeon VII will live a long life as a FP64, price/performance King compute card. It's interesting as a card to have in the market, same as the 2080, but these never move large volume. 

[Lathlaer]

My take on this: an OK premiere, nice to have a choice but unfortunately with that price/performance ratio AMD will not be the savior in GPU segment. There is zero reasons for NVIDIA to even contemplate price changes.

 

As such, I think most are disappointed not because of the GPU's worth in the vacuum but because they kinda expected AMD to do what they did in CPU market. It's a bit frustrating because it seems like they could've done that if they relinquished that HBM amount fetish.

 

People who bought a 1080ti when it premiered are the real lottery winners here

[porina]

20 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

[i_build_nanosuits]

2 minutes ago, porina said:

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

They'll say anything...you won't win against the die hard ones...
They'll say stuff like: '' yeah but you can undervolt it and underclock it and THEN it will be better and blah blah blah..'' you'll never win.

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, porina said:

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

See the time stamp for Power under load. Varies between game, actually, but that's the rough ranking.

[Brooksie359]

19 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper. 2+ years old performance for $700 or more is not something I would pay for it. I mean, I already bought 1080Ti for €680 back in september last year. Hopefully Intel can develop better GPU's to tackle nVidia as AMD is not doing very well in the high-end segment for consumers. Or AMD should lower it to $499 to make it much more attractive.

 

nVidia is just cancer with their RTX and Tensor cores. Why make the RTX cards damn expensive if they want to make ray tracing more common?

The vega 64 and Vega 56 are both bandwidth starved already with the having huge performance gains from memory overclocking. Using gddr6 would likely kill the performance of the card making it basically useless because the Vega 64 and Vega 56 exist. 

[xAcid9]

AMD simply doesn't bother to compete in gaming market anymore imo, Bullzoid said this in one of his video and i agree with that. 

 

10 minutes ago, porina said:

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

I can't find anyone measure power consumption with RTX on though, doubt it stay the same.

[Drak3]

4 minutes ago, porina said:

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

TDPs are not directly comparable. There is no universal standard on how to measure for it.

[CTR640]

26 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Hey, look at it this way: Your 1080Ti was the best investment ever. Because it still would be great value even today. (kind of sad, but good for you!)

 

Heck, I feel the same way about my 980Ti, which I bought used for $350 about 2 years ago. At that price, it is still only 12% slower than a RTX 2060 (which is $349). Still does everything I could need it to do at 1440P/60.

I kept my GTX780 for 4 years and 7 months, pretty cool for such old GPU. I think I plan on to use my 1080Ti for 4 years and 7 months lol

But I am afraid if this pricing bullshit keeps stayin like that, it can end up like 8 years or so. And 12% difference is not much.

[RejZoR]

Looks alright. Has some disadvantages compared to RTX 2080, but also advantages with other. It's pretty much how I expected it'll stack up. If you don't give flying fart about power and doesn't like NVIDIA, it's certainly a good option. I'd prefer if it was 650€ (coz $ = €), but I know HBM2 is still very expensive and given it comes with aftermarket grade cooler, the price is "reasonable".

[TheRandomness]

19 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

AMD simply doesn't bother to compete in gaming market anymore imo, Bullzoid said this in one of his video and i agree with that. 

 

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I can't find anyone measure power consumption with RTX on though, doubt it stay the same.

GN compared whole system power consumption between the R7 and 2080 and they were really quite similar under an AotS benchmark.

[porina]

20 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

See the time stamp for Power under load. Varies between game, actually, but that's the rough ranking.

Thanks, not in a position to watch video right now (in conference call at work ).

16 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

TDPs are not directly comparable. There is no universal standard on how to measure for it.

Good point, one I keep forgetting on GPU side. If the results above are system level, that is a fair comparison method. 

[Brooksie359]

9 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

I kept my GTX780 for 4 years and 7 months, pretty cool for such old GPU. I think I plan on to use my 1080Ti for 4 years and 7 months lol

But I am afraid if this pricing bullshit keeps stayin like that, it can end up like 8 years or so. And 12% difference is not much.

Bought my 1080ti before the mining craze at 800 usd for the ftw3. Then bought the 2080ti because I want to game at 4k and be able to do more than 60 fps. Gave the 1080ti to my brother because why not. People can find reasons to upgrade and to not but it's up to the individual to decide. 

[Ithanul]

52 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It's a re-purposed Compute card that's going to live a long life at Science Departments the world over and on the shelves of Tech Reviewers. We'll get an actual high-end card probably next year.

It actually reminds me more of the orginial Titan because of the compute chomps this Radeon VII has.  Good at gaming but no slouch either when some compute work needs to be done.  

[TahoeDust]

I have no idea why someone would choose this over the 2080.  In the best cases it barely edges out the 2080, in performance averages it is 10-14% behind the 2080 depending on resolution. 

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, TahoeDust said:

I have no idea why someone would choose this over the 2080.  In the best cases it barely edges out the 2080, in performance averages it is 10-14% behind the 2080 depending on resolution. 

yeah but the radeon is also more power hungry, hotter, louder and it doesn't support any of the new tech that will come with 2019 games...developer support and optimization for AMD cards is few and far between, and getting worse everyday...and they removed crossfire support...what else could you want? if only they we're only down on performance...and if only this was a 499$ card we were talking about.

[THraShArD]

This summer we will see a PCIE 4 version

[TahoeDust]

Just now, THraShArD said:

This summer we will see a PCIE 4 version

What do they expect to change with this?  Is it saturating PCIE 3 now?

[Chett_Manly]

This is one huge dud of a product, I guess its good for the Never Nvidia'ers, but that is it. Same price, less features, more power hungry, and less availability than the 2080.

 

This GPU generation is turning out to be the most disappointing. Even with the 7nm advantage, and a ton of HBM2, AMD could not top Nvidia's best, or give consumers a price/performance champion.

 

 

[TahoeDust]

I thought AMD was going to be our savior and save everyone from high GPU prices.  Maybe Nvidia is not actually gouging the market and it is just really expensive to make GPU with the performance we are demanding?  Who would have thunk it.

[RejZoR]

8 minutes ago, Chett_Manly said:

This is one huge dud of a product, I guess its good for the Never Nvidia'ers, but that is it. Same price, less features, more power hungry, and less availability than the 2080.

 

This GPU generation is turning out to be the most disappointing. Even with the 7nm advantage, and a ton of HBM2, AMD could not top Nvidia's best, or give consumers a price/performance champion.

 

 

It's a tweaked Vega 64. What were you expecting? It's a miracle they mostly got performance close to GTX 2080 given they used old(er) core design.