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AMD Radeon VII Benchmark/Launch Mega Thread

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29 minutes ago, SolarNova said:

All the info we had officaly, and all the leaks added together pritty much has been confirmed as correct.

 

The Radeon VII trades blows with the 2080 but lacks any addtional features, and costs the same.

 

The added info is that there is a clear cut difference between DX11 and DX12 performance, for peopel like myself who dont use Dx12 (becouse Windows 10), it means the R-VII is the lesser card.

 

 

Now heres the kicker, imo had the card released just $100 lower in MSRP, it would be a proper competator. 'Almost' a 1080ti in Dx11, trades blows with the 2080 in Dx12, for $100 less, thats somthing that makes u think .."which should i get".

As it stands, i dont see it as a attractive option.

 

A let down, and unsurprising let down, but a letdown none the less. Perhaps in a few years big Navi will save us from Nvidias greed.

not a let down considering what they have

 

and greed? its ok for amd to charge more for hbm but nvidia cant for rt and tensor?

 

its always on user preferences on use case and cant leap forward if you dont have new places to leap to technology wise

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28 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

AMD have Primitive Shader which is equivalent to Mesh Shader since they introduced Vega, you can see this in Wolfenstein 2 where Vega 64 is closer to 1080 Ti because of Primitive Shader. 

 

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is this the only game that uses it?

 

but now both sides have it we could see it more implemented like when amd does rt

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Posted · Original PosterOP

My two major take aways from this launch:

 

- We knew Nvidia was eventually going to adopt FreeSync, and this is one of the reasons why. This entire press cycle would have been about the Radeon VII + 144 Hz/FreeSync display, rather than about RTX features.

 

- The Radeon VII cards are going to serve a long life in Computer Science departments the world over.

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1 hour ago, CiBi said:

5-8% (1080p 1440p 2160p) higher scores than RTX 2080 in BFV without ray tracing.

 

Heck, I'd take that 8% performance boost over the stupid non-functional non-supported "RTX functionality".

 

I'd buy this over the 2080, if I was in the market for a $699 GPU (which I am not and never will be).

 

Still no reason for me to upgrade my 980Ti for my 1440P 60 Hz monitor. Can still play all the latest games on Ultra at 60fps.

 

EDIT: Looking at some of the benchmarks: the Radeon VII actually gets closer to the 2080Ti than the 2080 in Battlefield V at 4K. Very impressive, since Battlefield is an Nvidia supported title! Honestly, this is better than what I expected from AMD. Who knows, with some driver optimizations, could very well get the Radeon VII in between 2080 and 2080Ti performance for the price of a 2080. There is still hope!

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1 minute ago, Bcat00 said:

So does this mean i can finally grab a 2080TI without killing my wallet?

Nope. Your wallet will still need to be sacrificed to Jensen's yearly bonus.

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Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Nope. Your wallet will still need to be sacrificed to Jensen's yearly bonus.

Sigh, i just knew it

God can someone just burn AMD and dismantle this crappy company already....

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58 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I know everyone mentions it in the Review Space, but the market response to the RTX line is pretty clear: no one actually cares about it.

Better and more realistic lighting is something I love, and want in games. Just RTX doesn't "just work", and the performance to price for it, is not worth it; and I'm hardly one that should even be talking about that given my purchase history. :P

 


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Just now, Valentyn said:

Better and more realistic lighting is something I love, and want in games. Just RTX doesn't "just work", and the performance to price for it, is not worth it; and I'm hardly one that should even be talking about that given my purchase history. :P

 

Nvidia screwed up the marketing, to an extent. GDDR6 + the massive dies meant they had to up the prices to maintain margins, so they've gone full marketing with the RTX stuff because it's a way to try and convince people they aren't paying the same price for the same performance.

 

The real issue is that all of the cool new stuff with Turing, which will eventually kill off the Pascal cards, hasn't been their focus. Also, they really needed a better set of tech demos/games earlier than can use it. 

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3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Nvidia screwed up the marketing, to an extent. GDDR6 + the massive dies meant they had to up the prices to maintain margins, so they've gone full marketing with the RTX stuff because it's a way to try and convince people they aren't paying the same price for the same performance.

 

The real issue is that all of the cool new stuff with Turing, which will eventually kill off the Pascal cards, hasn't been their focus. Also, they really needed a better set of tech demos/games earlier than can use it. 

kinda agree but then that has issues of leaks of what features xxxx company is working on isnt safe with all those developers

 

slower process is good for everyone so it doesnt render our stuff junk(somewhat useless) if a huge chunk of new games adopts it and blind sides us all

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3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

kinda agree but then that has issues of leaks of what features xxxx company is working on isnt safe with all those developers

 

slower process is good for everyone so it doesnt render our stuff junk(somewhat useless) if a huge chunk of new games adopts it and blind sides us all

The new stuff in Turing, that isn't RTX features, will benefit both Nvidia's Turing & all GCN-based AMD cards. That's a bit of the issue, as Nvidia will be helping AMD's FineWine by finally using Async Compute.

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What a POS is Radeon 7...nvidia probably like: ''well yeah, fuck that...let's rise RTX 2080 and 2080ti prices by 70$ this morning''


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5 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

The new stuff in Turing, that isn't RTX features, will benefit both Nvidia's Turing & all GCN-based AMD cards. That's a bit of the issue, as Nvidia will be helping AMD's FineWine by finally using Async Compute.

and developers didnt want to incorporate it to leave out that mass nvidia market share

now they can, and rt will be next once amd gets on board with their solution

 

its kinda like dx9 to dx11, many devs stayed on dx9 just because they dont want to lose out on potential customers becuase was only was for dx11 cards, some even went to make dx9 version, same thing is happening to dx11 to 12 now, old stuff just needs to get weeded out and that takes time

 

but you also kinda need to put the next stepping stones in place for the future like rt/etc

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3 minutes ago, Bcat00 said:

Sigh, i just knew it

God can someone just burn AMD and dismantle this crappy company already....

you are right lets burn the little amount of competition left in the market because they are a few percent of, 

so that your nvidia overlords can charge even more.

 

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9 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

What a POS is Radeon 7...nvidia probably like: ''well yeah, fuck that...let's rise RTX 2080 and 2080ti prices by 70$ this morning''

I don't think so. it is keeping pace or outpacing the 2080 in some games, at the same price.

 

It is quite impressive they can do the same Vega architecture on 7nm and get these results. Hopefully with the new Navi architecture we will see a big jump in performance.

 

 

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Just now, maartendc said:

I don't think so. it is keeping pace or outpacing the 2080 in some games, at the same price.

 

It is quite impressive they can do the same Vega architecture on 7nm and get these results. Hopefully with the new Navi architecture we will see a big jump in performance.

 

how many reviews have you watched?

This card is 700$...consumes more power than a 2080ti...in fact more than any nvidia cards...doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...nowhere near the same level of suport and optimization from game developers etc. you'd have to be NUTS...and i mean it...completely NUTS to blow 700$+ on this crap of a card instead of an RTX 2080.


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1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

how many reviews have you watched?

This card is 700$...consumes more power than a 2080ti...in fact more than any nvidia cards...doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...nowhere near the same level of suport and optimization from game developers etc. you'd have to be NUTS...and i mean it...completely NUTS to blow 700$+ on this crap of a card instead of an RTX 2080.

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

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Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

yeah...no...ohh god...buy one then, quick!


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IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper. 2+ years old performance for $700 or more is not something I would pay for it. I mean, I already bought 1080Ti for €680 back in september last year. Hopefully Intel can develop better GPU's to tackle nVidia as AMD is not doing very well in the high-end segment for consumers. Or AMD should lower it to $499 to make it much more attractive.

 

nVidia is just cancer with their RTX and Tensor cores. Why make the RTX cards damn expensive if they want to make ray tracing more common?

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10 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...

I mean, that is like saying, it doesn't have PhysX or HairWorks, or Ansel, or whatever. Who cares? Just more Nvidia marketing hype things that will not get supported by games and die eventually.

 

The only game I currently play is Battlefield V, and it is 8% faster in that title at the same price (and Battlefield V is an Nvidia "sponsored" title, mind you!). So I would buy the Radeon VII if I was in the market for a $700 card. And no, nobody who plays Battlefield seriously would turn on RTX. If anything, people turn OFF as many effects as they can to improve visibility.

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1 minute ago, CTR640 said:

IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper. 2+ years old performance for $700 or more is not something I would pay for it. I mean, I already bought 1080Ti for €680 back in september last year. Hopefully Intel can develop better GPU's to tackle nVidia as AMD is not doing very well in the high-end segment for consumers. Or AMD should lower it to $499 to make it much more attractive.

It's a re-purposed Compute card that's going to live a long life at Science Departments the world over and on the shelves of Tech Reviewers. We'll get an actual high-end card probably next year.

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1 minute ago, CTR640 said:

IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper.

that would require redesigning the memory controller in the GPU ._. they most definitely won't be making a new subset of an entire architecture just to use a different kind of RAM

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10 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

how many reviews have you watched?

This card is 700$...consumes more power than a 2080ti...in fact more than any nvidia cards...doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...nowhere near the same level of suport and optimization from game developers etc. you'd have to be NUTS...and i mean it...completely NUTS to blow 700$+ on this crap of a card instead of an RTX 2080.

Most 2080s are more expensive than 700 dollars. Some models go as high as 900 USD.

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Just now, maartendc said:

I mean, that is like saying, it doesn't have PhysX or HairWorks, or whatever. Who cares? Just more Nvidia marketing hype things that will not get supported by games and die eventually.

 

stoped reading there cause you obviously have no idea what you're talking about ;)

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