AMD Radeon VII Benchmark/Launch Mega Thread

[Bcat00]

So does this mean i can finally grab a 2080TI without killing my wallet?

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, Bcat00 said:

So does this mean i can finally grab a 2080TI without killing my wallet?

Nope. Your wallet will still need to be sacrificed to Jensen's yearly bonus.

[Bcat00]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

Nope. Your wallet will still need to be sacrificed to Jensen's yearly bonus.

Sigh, i just knew it

God can someone just burn AMD and dismantle this crappy company already....

[Valentyn]

58 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

I know everyone mentions it in the Review Space, but the market response to the RTX line is pretty clear: no one actually cares about it.

Better and more realistic lighting is something I love, and want in games. Just RTX doesn't "just work", and the performance to price for it, is not worth it; and I'm hardly one that should even be talking about that given my purchase history.

 

[Taf the Ghost]

Just now, Valentyn said:

Better and more realistic lighting is something I love, and want in games. Just RTX doesn't "just work", and the performance to price for it, is not worth it; and I'm hardly one that should even be talking about that given my purchase history.

 

Nvidia screwed up the marketing, to an extent. GDDR6 + the massive dies meant they had to up the prices to maintain margins, so they've gone full marketing with the RTX stuff because it's a way to try and convince people they aren't paying the same price for the same performance.

 

The real issue is that all of the cool new stuff with Turing, which will eventually kill off the Pascal cards, hasn't been their focus. Also, they really needed a better set of tech demos/games earlier than can use it. 

[pas008]

3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

Nvidia screwed up the marketing, to an extent. GDDR6 + the massive dies meant they had to up the prices to maintain margins, so they've gone full marketing with the RTX stuff because it's a way to try and convince people they aren't paying the same price for the same performance.

 

The real issue is that all of the cool new stuff with Turing, which will eventually kill off the Pascal cards, hasn't been their focus. Also, they really needed a better set of tech demos/games earlier than can use it. 

kinda agree but then that has issues of leaks of what features xxxx company is working on isnt safe with all those developers

 

slower process is good for everyone so it doesnt render our stuff junk(somewhat useless) if a huge chunk of new games adopts it and blind sides us all

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

kinda agree but then that has issues of leaks of what features xxxx company is working on isnt safe with all those developers

 

slower process is good for everyone so it doesnt render our stuff junk(somewhat useless) if a huge chunk of new games adopts it and blind sides us all

The new stuff in Turing, that isn't RTX features, will benefit both Nvidia's Turing & all GCN-based AMD cards. That's a bit of the issue, as Nvidia will be helping AMD's FineWine by finally using Async Compute.

[i_build_nanosuits]

What a POS is Radeon 7...nvidia probably like: ''well yeah, fuck that...let's rise RTX 2080 and 2080ti prices by 70$ this morning''

[pas008]

5 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

The new stuff in Turing, that isn't RTX features, will benefit both Nvidia's Turing & all GCN-based AMD cards. That's a bit of the issue, as Nvidia will be helping AMD's FineWine by finally using Async Compute.

and developers didnt want to incorporate it to leave out that mass nvidia market share

now they can, and rt will be next once amd gets on board with their solution

 

its kinda like dx9 to dx11, many devs stayed on dx9 just because they dont want to lose out on potential customers becuase was only was for dx11 cards, some even went to make dx9 version, same thing is happening to dx11 to 12 now, old stuff just needs to get weeded out and that takes time

 

but you also kinda need to put the next stepping stones in place for the future like rt/etc

[cj09beira]

3 minutes ago, Bcat00 said:

Sigh, i just knew it

God can someone just burn AMD and dismantle this crappy company already....

you are right lets burn the little amount of competition left in the market because they are a few percent of, 

so that your nvidia overlords can charge even more.

 

Spoiler

what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Billy Madison

 

[maartendc]

9 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

What a POS is Radeon 7...nvidia probably like: ''well yeah, fuck that...let's rise RTX 2080 and 2080ti prices by 70$ this morning''

I don't think so. it is keeping pace or outpacing the 2080 in some games, at the same price.

 

It is quite impressive they can do the same Vega architecture on 7nm and get these results. Hopefully with the new Navi architecture we will see a big jump in performance.

 

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, maartendc said:

I don't think so. it is keeping pace or outpacing the 2080 in some games, at the same price.

 

It is quite impressive they can do the same Vega architecture on 7nm and get these results. Hopefully with the new Navi architecture we will see a big jump in performance.

 

how many reviews have you watched?

This card is 700$...consumes more power than a 2080ti...in fact more than any nvidia cards...doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...nowhere near the same level of suport and optimization from game developers etc. you'd have to be NUTS...and i mean it...completely NUTS to blow 700$+ on this crap of a card instead of an RTX 2080.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

how many reviews have you watched?

This card is 700$...consumes more power than a 2080ti...in fact more than any nvidia cards...doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...nowhere near the same level of suport and optimization from game developers etc. you'd have to be NUTS...and i mean it...completely NUTS to blow 700$+ on this crap of a card instead of an RTX 2080.

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, Taf the Ghost said:

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

yeah...no...ohh god...buy one then, quick!

[CTR640]

IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper. 2+ years old performance for $700 or more is not something I would pay for it. I mean, I already bought 1080Ti for €680 back in september last year. Hopefully Intel can develop better GPU's to tackle nVidia as AMD is not doing very well in the high-end segment for consumers. Or AMD should lower it to $499 to make it much more attractive.

 

nVidia is just cancer with their RTX and Tensor cores. Why make the RTX cards damn expensive if they want to make ray tracing more common?

[maartendc]

10 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...

I mean, that is like saying, it doesn't have PhysX or HairWorks, or Ansel, or whatever. Who cares? Just more Nvidia marketing hype things that will not get supported by games and die eventually.

 

The only game I currently play is Battlefield V, and it is 8% faster in that title at the same price (and Battlefield V is an Nvidia "sponsored" title, mind you!). So I would buy the Radeon VII if I was in the market for a $700 card. And no, nobody who plays Battlefield seriously would turn on RTX. If anything, people turn OFF as many effects as they can to improve visibility.

[Taf the Ghost]

1 minute ago, CTR640 said:

IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper. 2+ years old performance for $700 or more is not something I would pay for it. I mean, I already bought 1080Ti for €680 back in september last year. Hopefully Intel can develop better GPU's to tackle nVidia as AMD is not doing very well in the high-end segment for consumers. Or AMD should lower it to $499 to make it much more attractive.

It's a re-purposed Compute card that's going to live a long life at Science Departments the world over and on the shelves of Tech Reviewers. We'll get an actual high-end card probably next year.

[ThePD]

10 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

how many reviews have you watched?

This card is 700$...consumes more power than a 2080ti...in fact more than any nvidia cards...doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...nowhere near the same level of suport and optimization from game developers etc. you'd have to be NUTS...and i mean it...completely NUTS to blow 700$+ on this crap of a card instead of an RTX 2080.

Most 2080s are more expensive than 700 dollars. Some models go as high as 900 USD.

[i_build_nanosuits]

Just now, maartendc said:

I mean, that is like saying, it doesn't have PhysX or HairWorks, or whatever. Who cares? Just more Nvidia marketing hype things that will not get supported by games and die eventually.

 

stoped reading there cause you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

have a good day!

[pas008]

10 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

how many reviews have you watched?

This card is 700$...consumes more power than a 2080ti...in fact more than any nvidia cards...doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...nowhere near the same level of suport and optimization from game developers etc. you'd have to be NUTS...and i mean it...completely NUTS to blow 700$+ on this crap of a card instead of an RTX 2080.

not to mention heat/noise

8 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

for now, I do care because I want to go forward not stagnate

[sof006]

At this rate I'll be putting my money towards a 2080 instead. Give me a few more months of saving and that's what I'll be getting.

[maartendc]

2 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper. 2+ years old performance for $700 or more is not something I would pay for it. I mean, I already bought 1080Ti for €680 back in september last year. Hopefully Intel can develop better GPU's to tackle nVidia as AMD is not doing very well in the high-end segment for consumers. Or AMD should lower it to $499 to make it much more attractive.

 

nVidia is just cancer with their RTX and Tensor cores. Why make the RTX cards damn expensive if they want to make ray tracing more common?

Hey, look at it this way: Your 1080Ti was the best investment ever. Because it still would be great value even today. (kind of sad, but good for you!)

 

Heck, I feel the same way about my 980Ti, which I bought used for $350 about 2 years ago. At that price, it is still only 12% slower than a RTX 2060 (which is $349). Still does everything I could need it to do at 1440P/60.

[pas008]

1 minute ago, maartendc said:

I mean, that is like saying, it doesn't have PhysX or HairWorks, or Ansel, or whatever. Who cares? Just more Nvidia marketing hype things that will not get supported by games and die eventually.

 

The only game I currently play is Battlefield V, and it is 8% faster in that title at the same price (and Battlefield V is an Nvidia "sponsored" title, mind you!). So I would buy the Radeon VII if I was in the market for a $700 card. And no, nobody who plays Battlefield seriously would turn on RTX. If anything, people turn OFF as many effects as they can to improve visibility.

no ray tracing will not die off

its not proprietary

you cant leap forward if stepping stones arent in place

[i_build_nanosuits]

1 minute ago, pas008 said:

no ray tracing will not die off

its not proprietary

you cant leap forward if stepping stones arent in place

Real time ray tracing is defenetly the future of gaming, there's not even a shadow of a doubt about it...ask any developer they will tell you.

[maartendc]

4 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

stoped reading there cause you obviously have no idea what you're talking about

have a good day!

Well, that is one way to "win" a debate.

 

Good for you, you won.