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AMD Radeon VII Benchmark/Launch Mega Thread

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1 hour ago, Madgemade said:

Steve needs to get to the overclocking/undervolting, that's where this card (will) shine. But I think it will take him a while because he won't have been able to do it with the broken press drivers. Only release day drivers allowed it and overclocking is still very glitchy.

I ran some Time Spy this morning and here's the results. I didn't do the CPU test as my CPU is 7 years old and tanks in that test.

At stock speeds and undervolted to 975mv:

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Overclocked to around 2030-2050 and 1200 mem: (Wattman shows a higher speed but it only ever peaks at 50 less than the peak number)

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Yes that's a 21% improvement on Air. Now we need the drivers to be fixed so that benchmarks can be run in fullscreen mode without the clocks resetting.

WTF?

 

I didn't think the Radeon 7 had this much gas left in the tank for overclockers.

 

Are you sure that your stock numbers haven't got lowered by undervolting? 

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Just now, Humbug said:

WTF?

 

I didn't think the Radeon 7 had this much gas left in the tank for overclockers.

 

Are you sure that your stock numbers haven't got lowered by undervolting? 

from other people testing no it does not reduce performance 

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Yawn...

 

Rinse repeat. We see the same thing every generation.

 

All the issues with the beta drivers are clearly documented in the release notes that come with the download. It appears that pretty much every newly released product these days from almost every tech company is released prematurely. It's the price you pay for early adoption.

 

This will all be fixed within a few weeks and then we will see the real accurate benchmarks. I'd suggest a fair comparison of four months down the road when given the same amount of opportunity nvidia has had to refine their drivers at this point in time.

 

I would say the scandal nvidia pulled that is still an ongoing issue where users paid for cores they can't even actively utilize is a much bigger deal but of course nvidia can never do any wrong in the eyes of many despite having a long history of anti consumer practices since inception.


What does windows 10 and ET have in common?

 

They are both constantly trying to phone home.

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1 minute ago, Humbug said:

WTF?

 

I didn't think the Radeon 7 had this much gas left in the tank for overclockers.

 

Are you sure that your stock numbers haven't got lowered by undervolting? 

A significant amount of Radeon cards have a lot to give with optimization. Nvidia moves enough volume to bin down the GPUs in a way that they don't get quite the spread per SKU. For the low-volume Vega parts, it can be pretty intense. There's guys around with +15% OCs at far lower total power draw, just because they got good silicon. 

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Hardware unboxed reports in their latest video that the latest drivers fixed the stability issues.

 

That was fast.

 

 


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a few HDD's

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19 minutes ago, Rune said:

We got 5 of these in at work today. Was kind of surprised. Two of them sold already.

Any high-end GPU will sell a bit for curiosity purposes alone, but this is going to get eaten up by people that want the FP64 performance.

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3 minutes ago, Arika S said:

unfortunately, that's the biggest difference, as seen in this comparison of the 1080ti, most other things AMD will lag behind

 

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The lack of significant improvement in the ROPS really did Vega in. If it didn't get crushed in the advanced AA settings, it'd have gone a lot better.

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3 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

The lack of significant improvement in the ROPS really did Vega in. If it didn't get crushed in the advanced AA settings, it'd have gone a lot better.

we can only hope that Navi will be a better release given how much people are hyping it up.

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3 minutes ago, Arika S said:

we can only hope that Navi will be a better release given how much people are hyping it up.

RTG has been good on hype and delivering the performance their semi-custom customers have paid for. That's good for AMD's bottom line, but the optics have been pretty bad.

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1 hour ago, Arika S said:

we can only hope that Navi will be a better release given how much people are hyping it up.

I'm more curious as to what Lisa meant by "part of the high end" at CES, tbh.  I'm not a fan of hype train express, but it sounds like there's going to be something a tad more promising as a sole gaming card.


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1 minute ago, valdyrgramr said:

I'm more curious as to what Lisa meant by "part of the high end" at CES, tbh.  I'm not a fan of hype train express, but it sounds like there's going to be something a tad more promising as a sole gaming card.

We know of 3 Navi designs for AMD, though internal product numbers are still unknown, specifically. There's also at least two versions for the Consoles (possibly 2 for each company) and whatever Apple is buying off AMD. There are going to be a lot of Navi parts coming over the next 18 months. What happens with "Big Navi" in 2020, which should also be a compute card, is anyone's guess.

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1 minute ago, Taf the Ghost said:

We know of 3 Navi designs for AMD, though internal product numbers are still unknown, specifically. There's also at least two versions for the Consoles (possibly 2 for each company) and whatever Apple is buying off AMD. There are going to be a lot of Navi parts coming over the next 18 months. What happens with "Big Navi" in 2020, which should also be a compute card, is anyone's guess.

Did they state directly 2020 for stronger Navi cards or was that another Adored or other "leak":?


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| CPU:  Ryzen 3 2200g(buying a 3900x in January for it) | CPU Cooler:  Stock at the moment(have a dark rock pro 4 for that 3900x) | Paste:  Kryonaut | Motherboard:  ASRock x470 Taichi(replacing with a Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite) | RAM:  G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 | Boot Drives:  Crucial MX500 500 GB M.2-2280+Crucial BX500 120 GB 2.5" SSD | Storage Drives:  Toshiba X300 4 TB 128 MB Cache 3.5" HDD+PNY CS900 240 GB | GPU:  Sapphire Radeon VII 16 GB HBM2 Video Card | Case:  Cooler Master MasterBox MB511 RGB | PSU:  EVGA SuperNOVA G2 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply w/CableMod E-Series Cable Kit (Black/Red) | Case Fans:  2 Corsair SP140 49.49 CFM 140 mm Fans | Displays:  AOC U2879VF 28.0" 3840x2160 60 Hz Monitor+AOC G2460PQU 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor(Replacing with an LG 240 Hz monitor) | Mouse:  Corsair M65 Pro RGB | Keyboard:  Ducky Shine 7 Blackout - MK Exclusive First Release - RGB LED Double Shot PBT Mechanical Keyboard with Silent Red Switches | Mousepad:  Gaya Entertainment Oversized Gaming Mousepad Doom | Audio:  Massdrop x AKG K7XX Audiophile Open-back Headphones+Audio-Technica ATR2500-USB Cardioid Condenser USB Microphone+Kingston HyperX Cloud II 7.1 Channel Headset+iBasso IT01 Dynamic Driver Audiophile In-Ear Monitors/Earbuds (Black)+Pair of Mackie MR624s(came with stands+isolation pads) | OSes:  Windows 10 Pro+openSUSE Tumbleweed |



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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

Did they state directly 2020 for stronger Navi cards or was that another Adored or other "leak":?

Most of the information we have from Drivers, actually, plus the occasional AMD employee that posts on forums, so we have internal names. While CPU side, it appears the next Threadripper's name is "Arden", though we'll get some leaked roadmaps at some point. 

 

Product development is a long process, so stuff always gets out. The first chunk of Navi drivers showed up for Apple in the last update. Chunks have been popping up for a while in Linux drivers. Things like that. CPUZ and GPUZ also get used a lot by producers, so the first sighting of parts are normally a lot earlier than you might think. The first dev kits for the next console generation cropped up in the middle of 2018.

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1 hour ago, valdyrgramr said:

Did they state directly 2020 for stronger Navi cards or was that another Adored or other "leak":?

The most official AMD stuff is rather vague but they do have published roadmaps or pictures of slides presented at conferences.

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51 minutes ago, leadeater said:

The most official AMD stuff is rather vague but they do have published roadmaps or pictures of slides presented at conferences.

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As a practical matter, AMD actually hit that APU target. The Vega 11 in the R5 2400G hits 1.7 TFlops of FP32. 

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8 hours ago, Arika S said:

unfortunately, that's the biggest difference, as seen in this comparison of the 1080ti, most other things AMD will lag behind

 

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Aaaah, the amazing % differences. God I wish people would stop using this idiocy. 5% slower on average. Converting that to framerate at 60fps is 3fps difference. The worst case scenario is -25% which is 45fps. Sure the worst case scenario is really off the charts, but is still 45fps which is still playable despite being an outliner just like DIRT4 is in Radeon's favor of +27%. Does that really make any kind of real difference? Not really. Especially given how Radeon low percentile is usually higher than NVIDIA (which wasn't the case years ago).

 

If you prefer Radeon over GeForce, Radeon 7 is a perfectly good card and as they sort drivers out, the gap will become slightly narrower. After all, Radeon 7 GPU is tweaked Vega which doesn't man slaming Vega drivers would result in peak performance. Especially given they introduced some extra caches in the render pipeline which might not work at its peak yet. So, few frames here and there are to be expected for sure. Just like how GeForce cards gain some after every brand new GPU release.

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AMD Announced that the Radeon 7 will be supported with a Future Update with the Radeon PRO driver.

So that means that you can use the Radeon 7 for more professional work, with official support.

 

https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/44455-amd-radeon-pro-software-enterprise-edition-19-q1/


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13 minutes ago, Stefan Payne said:

AMD Announced that the Radeon 7 will be supported with a Future Update with the Radeon PRO driver.

So that means that you can use the Radeon 7 for more professional work, with official support.

 

https://www.planet3dnow.de/cms/44455-amd-radeon-pro-software-enterprise-edition-19-q1/

Vega FE 2.0. Or... working properly.

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