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AMD Radeon VII Benchmark/Launch Mega Thread

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10 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

how many reviews have you watched?

This card is 700$...consumes more power than a 2080ti...in fact more than any nvidia cards...doesn't have ray tracing, no tensor core, no DLSS...nowhere near the same level of suport and optimization from game developers etc. you'd have to be NUTS...and i mean it...completely NUTS to blow 700$+ on this crap of a card instead of an RTX 2080.

not to mention heat/noise

8 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

for now, I do care because I want to go forward not stagnate

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At this rate I'll be putting my money towards a 2080 instead. Give me a few more months of saving and that's what I'll be getting.


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10 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

7 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

yeah...no...ohh god...buy one then, quick!

pretty sure Taf meant RTX is not a factor for comparing on current games ._.

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2 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper. 2+ years old performance for $700 or more is not something I would pay for it. I mean, I already bought 1080Ti for €680 back in september last year. Hopefully Intel can develop better GPU's to tackle nVidia as AMD is not doing very well in the high-end segment for consumers. Or AMD should lower it to $499 to make it much more attractive.

 

nVidia is just cancer with their RTX and Tensor cores. Why make the RTX cards damn expensive if they want to make ray tracing more common?

Hey, look at it this way: Your 1080Ti was the best investment ever. Because it still would be great value even today. (kind of sad, but good for you!)

 

Heck, I feel the same way about my 980Ti, which I bought used for $350 about 2 years ago. At that price, it is still only 12% slower than a RTX 2060 (which is $349). Still does everything I could need it to do at 1440P/60.

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1 minute ago, maartendc said:

I mean, that is like saying, it doesn't have PhysX or HairWorks, or Ansel, or whatever. Who cares? Just more Nvidia marketing hype things that will not get supported by games and die eventually.

 

The only game I currently play is Battlefield V, and it is 8% faster in that title at the same price (and Battlefield V is an Nvidia "sponsored" title, mind you!). So I would buy the Radeon VII if I was in the market for a $700 card. And no, nobody who plays Battlefield seriously would turn on RTX. If anything, people turn OFF as many effects as they can to improve visibility.

no ray tracing will not die off

its not proprietary

you cant leap forward if stepping stones arent in place

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1 minute ago, pas008 said:

no ray tracing will not die off

its not proprietary

you cant leap forward if stepping stones arent in place

Real time ray tracing is defenetly the future of gaming, there's not even a shadow of a doubt about it...ask any developer they will tell you.


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2 minutes ago, ThePD said:

Most 2080s are more expensive than 700 dollars. Some models go as high as 900 USD.

It's relitiviely easy to find 2080 models cheaper than $699 as well. So that is something to keep in mind.

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Just now, maartendc said:

Well, that is one way to "win" a debate.

 

Good for you, you won.

if you think there's even a ''debate'' to be had as to wheter or not the RTX 2080 is a VASTLY superior offering in terms of 700$ graphics card, then i'm sorry i can't fix you ;)

 


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3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

no ray tracing will not die off

its not proprietary

you cant leap forward if stepping stones arent in place

Nvidia be like:

 

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3 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Hey, look at it this way: Your 1080Ti was the best investment ever. Because it still would be great value even today. (kind of sad, but good for you!)

 

Heck, I feel the same way about my 980Ti, which I bought used for $350 about 2 years ago. At that price, it is still only 12% slower than a RTX 2060 (which is $349). Still does everything I could need it to do at 1440P/60.

Best GPU investment this generation was actually a pre-ordered RX Vega 64, since you could mine on it from day 1. There's a chunk of r/AMD that profited from preordering. Haha.

 

But used 1080 Tis are still the best deal right now. The Radeon VII will live a long life as a FP64, price/performance King compute card. It's interesting as a card to have in the market, same as the 2080, but these never move large volume. 

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My take on this: an OK premiere, nice to have a choice but unfortunately with that price/performance ratio AMD will not be the savior in GPU segment. There is zero reasons for NVIDIA to even contemplate price changes.

 

As such, I think most are disappointed not because of the GPU's worth in the vacuum but because they kinda expected AMD to do what they did in CPU market. It's a bit frustrating because it seems like they could've done that if they relinquished that HBM amount fetish.

 

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20 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

2080 Ti draws more power and no one cares about RTX.

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.


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2 minutes ago, porina said:

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

They'll say anything...you won't win against the die hard ones...
They'll say stuff like: '' yeah but you can undervolt it and underclock it and THEN it will be better and blah blah blah..'' you'll never win.


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3 minutes ago, porina said:

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

See the time stamp for Power under load. Varies between game, actually, but that's the rough ranking.

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19 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

IMHO AMD should have dropped HBM and redesigned GDDR5X/6 for Radeon VII to make it cheaper. 2+ years old performance for $700 or more is not something I would pay for it. I mean, I already bought 1080Ti for €680 back in september last year. Hopefully Intel can develop better GPU's to tackle nVidia as AMD is not doing very well in the high-end segment for consumers. Or AMD should lower it to $499 to make it much more attractive.

 

nVidia is just cancer with their RTX and Tensor cores. Why make the RTX cards damn expensive if they want to make ray tracing more common?

The vega 64 and Vega 56 are both bandwidth starved already with the having huge performance gains from memory overclocking. Using gddr6 would likely kill the performance of the card making it basically useless because the Vega 64 and Vega 56 exist. 

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AMD simply doesn't bother to compete in gaming market anymore imo, Bullzoid said this in one of his video and i agree with that. 

 

10 minutes ago, porina said:

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

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I can't find anyone measure power consumption with RTX on though, doubt it stay the same.


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4 minutes ago, porina said:

2080 Ti is 250W TDP, Radeon VII is 295/300W TDP (depending on where I look)? Or does it not work out that way in comparable use cases? I still haven't had a good chance to check out reviews yet.

TDPs are not directly comparable. There is no universal standard on how to measure for it.


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26 minutes ago, maartendc said:

Hey, look at it this way: Your 1080Ti was the best investment ever. Because it still would be great value even today. (kind of sad, but good for you!)

 

Heck, I feel the same way about my 980Ti, which I bought used for $350 about 2 years ago. At that price, it is still only 12% slower than a RTX 2060 (which is $349). Still does everything I could need it to do at 1440P/60.

I kept my GTX780 for 4 years and 7 months, pretty cool for such old GPU. I think I plan on to use my 1080Ti for 4 years and 7 months lol

But I am afraid if this pricing bullshit keeps stayin like that, it can end up like 8 years or so. And 12% difference is not much.

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Looks alright. Has some disadvantages compared to RTX 2080, but also advantages with other. It's pretty much how I expected it'll stack up. If you don't give flying fart about power and doesn't like NVIDIA, it's certainly a good option. I'd prefer if it was 650€ (coz $ = €), but I know HBM2 is still very expensive and given it comes with aftermarket grade cooler, the price is "reasonable".

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19 minutes ago, xAcid9 said:

AMD simply doesn't bother to compete in gaming market anymore imo, Bullzoid said this in one of his video and i agree with that. 

 

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I can't find anyone measure power consumption with RTX on though, doubt it stay the same.

GN compared whole system power consumption between the R7 and 2080 and they were really quite similar under an AotS benchmark.


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20 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

See the time stamp for Power under load. Varies between game, actually, but that's the rough ranking.

Thanks, not in a position to watch video right now (in conference call at work :)).

16 minutes ago, Drak3 said:

TDPs are not directly comparable. There is no universal standard on how to measure for it.

Good point, one I keep forgetting on GPU side. If the results above are system level, that is a fair comparison method. 


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9 minutes ago, CTR640 said:

I kept my GTX780 for 4 years and 7 months, pretty cool for such old GPU. I think I plan on to use my 1080Ti for 4 years and 7 months lol

But I am afraid if this pricing bullshit keeps stayin like that, it can end up like 8 years or so. And 12% difference is not much.

Bought my 1080ti before the mining craze at 800 usd for the ftw3. Then bought the 2080ti because I want to game at 4k and be able to do more than 60 fps. Gave the 1080ti to my brother because why not. People can find reasons to upgrade and to not but it's up to the individual to decide. 

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52 minutes ago, Taf the Ghost said:

It's a re-purposed Compute card that's going to live a long life at Science Departments the world over and on the shelves of Tech Reviewers. We'll get an actual high-end card probably next year.

It actually reminds me more of the orginial Titan because of the compute chomps this Radeon VII has.  Good at gaming but no slouch either when some compute work needs to be done.  


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