Radeon VII neck and neck with RTX 2080 in rumored 3DMark leak

[exetras]

https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/radeon-vii-benchmark-rtx-2080/

 

 

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Radeon VII neck and neck with RTX 2080 in rumored 3DMark results leak

 

New benchmark results for what appears to be AMD’s upcoming Radeon VII Vega 2 graphics card have shown up in the UL Benchmarks 3DMark results chart and they show it to compete with Nvidia’s RTX 2080. Depending on the test in question, the Radeon VII pulls ahead of the Nvidia competition, or falls slightly behind. If these tests prove accurate, the Radeon VII looks set to be a viable contender as one of the most powerful graphics cards in the world when it launches in early February.

 

AMD’s Radeon VII was somewhat of a surprise announcement at CES 2019 where it was unveiled alongside AMD’s upcoming Ryzen 3000-series CPUs. Where many hoped for an unveiling of midrange Navi graphics cards, AMD instead debuted its first high-end GPU in nearly two years. The Radeon VII, it claimed, was capable of going toe to toe with the RTX 2080 and its internal benchmarks showed it doing so. These new 3DMark results are likely to be internal, too, so they should be taken with a pinch of salt, but they do provide additional evidence suggesting AMD’s new GPU is very capable.

 

The results list the GPU as “Generic VGA” but it is thought to be an AMD GPU, and with a score like this, there isn’t another consumer AMD graphics card in the world that can achieve such performance. As TechRadar reports, the supposed Radeon VII achieved a Fire Strike score of 19,210, which beats out the 17,810 that the RTX 2080 managed in our internal testing. Others had more favorable results with the RTX 2080, seeing it beat out the Radeon VII by a couple of thousand points, but the new Vega 2 card remained competitive.

 

In tests that push the graphics cards further, like Fire Strike Extreme and Ultra, the Radeon VII fared better still, pulling ahead of what the RTX 2080 is capable of. Time Spy, however, saw the RTX 2080 achieve a noticeably higher score of 10,269 in our testing, versus just 8,700 for the Radeon VII.

 

An intriguing note to take from the results collected by VideoCardz is that the Radeon VII appears to perform better when paired with an AMD Ryzen 2700X than it does with an Intel core i9-9900K. That could prove a strong selling point for all-AMD systems when the Radeon VII launches on February 7 for $700.

 

 

That last sentence is quite interesting, AMD + AMD = Better Perf. I like it. But I like to take caution when getting initial Reviews, so I will wait for the NDA's to drop and see what everyone else is saying.

 

Enjoy.

 

Edit: Adding more content:

 

Source: 3DMark #1, #2, #3, #4, #5

AMD Radeon VII Final Fantasy 15 benchmarks

The VII has appeared on FF15 benchmark website. In the standard quality benchmark, the Radeon VII surpasses RTX 2070, but it fails against RTX 2080. It is worth noting that FF15 is NVIDIA title, featuring some technologies that exclusive to RTX series.

The higher quality setting has put Radeon VII even lower, even under GTX 1070 Ti.

 

[givingtnt]

So.. neck & neck with a card that's barely an improovement on the last gen ?
And no rtx.
 

[Tristerin]

3 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

So.. neck & neck with a card that's barely an improovement on the last gen ?
And no rtx...

 

At a much smaller price tag

 

From a company that has never been ahead

 

And is now neck and neck

 

This is only good for us consumers!

[exetras]

RTX is like 3D movies, looks nice but add nothing much in terms of value. For now.

[r2724r16]

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

At a much smaller price tag

That hasn't been confirmed.

[ThePD]

7 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

So.. neck & neck with a card that's barely an improovement on the last gen ?
And no rtx...

 

As if RTX is a feature worth paying for at this point... It is used in all of two games tops?

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, Geography said:

That hasn't been confirmed.

This whole thread is speculation.  And past practice dictates future, AMD will come in selling lower.  They wont get anywhere selling higher or at the same price...because Ray Tracing then makes the NVIDIA a much better buy obviously.  So Ill use the past practice, and the fact that you cant be the same price as the 2080 while offering less...to help my speculation.

[givingtnt]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

At a much smaller price tag how would you know ?
and by the time it launches, other cards (from nvidia & amd) will both have come down in price a lot from MSRP. so moot point really.

 

From a company that has never been ahead check your facts

 

And is now neck and neck yeah, late.

 

This is only good for us consumers! thank you for this generic statement.

 

[Velcade]

I want this to be true.  I'd never buy an AMD card but competition with NVidia is a good thing.

[Settlerteo]

10 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

From a company that has never been ahead

That's not true at all my friend. Check your facts.

[Ithanul]

10 minutes ago, Geography said:

That hasn't been confirmed.

There been hints here and there.  Though, probably still mild rumor level hints.

Over on Techpowerup, they actually guessing at a $699 price tag in the few articles they have on the card.

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/251798/sapphire-launches-its-radeon-vii-amd-reserving-1-80-ghz-boost-for-direct-sales

https://www.techpowerup.com/251826/asrock-radeon-vii-phantom-gaming-reference-design-graphics-card-revealed

[Madgemade]

2 minutes ago, givingtnt said:

At a much smaller price tag how would you know ?
and by the time it launches, other cards (from nvidia & amd) will both have come down in price a lot from MSRP. so moot point really.

So true, vega 56 is less than half the price of the Radeon 7's RRP and vega 64 is half or not far off.

It has been confirmed that stock is very lacking. So at launch expect significant markup:https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-radeon-vii-uk-inventory-launch

It has been hint that markup will be more than 10% over RRP and that in the UK at least the RTX 2080 will be cheaper by 100 or more at launch.

 

All down to supply and demand, I hope we don't see a rehash of Fury and Vega where price was supposed to be OK but it was only ever sold for a higher markup because the supply was to little.

[Tristerin]

 

Hey all, I don't have time to sit here and SPECULATE your SPECULATION and defend SPECULATIONS.

 

AMD isn't AHEAD.  And guise guise...rarely if ever have they or can they keep ahead.  So please, don't worry about the minutia detail - its about 95% true so if you want to delve in to the 5% of the time they have eeked ahead...okay we can open another thread.

 

AMD is always so far behind its the running joke so yeah.  Coming from a Team Red here so relax.

 

They are neck and neck - who cares if its late in the game....if you don't have an RTX 2080 you have competition in the market now.  Your point?

 

You are welcome for my generic statements.

 

 

 

So if you want to quote me, to argue your opinion vs mine, send me a message to my profile where we can joust 1 v 1.

 

 

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, Madgemade said:

So true, vega 56 is less than half the price of the Radeon 7's RRP and vega 64 is half or not far off.

It has been confirmed that stock is very lacking. So at launch expect significant markup:https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-radeon-vii-uk-inventory-launch

It has been hint that markup will be more than 10% over RRP and that in the UK at least the RTX 2080 will be cheaper by 100 or more at launch.

 

All down to supply and demand, I hope we don't see a rehash of Fury and Vega where price was supposed to be OK but it was only ever sold for a higher markup because the supply was to little.

Remember..supply wasn't so little...HUGE Russian and Chinese companies dried up stock for Crypto mining.  I just picked up a R9 Fury yesterday for next to nothing (ebay is flooded).  And its better than an RX 580.  The R9 Fury was getting like 38 hash rates out the box.

[Madgemade]

Thankfully mining is dead for GPUs now. Hopefully it will stay that way.

If AMD can't get enough on the shelves then it's going to look bad for them. Would make for worse price to performance and they will get slated for a few months for it, even though it is greedy retailers and they won't benefit one bit.

 

In my opinion though, it prices do go higher than RRP then AMD is still to blame in the end for rushing the launch and not stockpiling. If stock is better in a few months then it will be too late the damage will be done. I don't want to see that but it's looking likely.

[Settlerteo]

3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

 

AMD isn't AHEAD.  And guise guise...rarely if ever have they or can they keep ahead.  So please, don't worry about the minutia detail - its about 95% true so if you want to delve in to the 5% of the time they have eeked ahead...okay we can open another thread.

 

 

 

I just quoted on one exact statement you made and no you re wrong. AMD was ahead many times in the past but as you correctly said right now they fall behind and probably the radeon vii isn't gonna fix that(in certain workloads------gaming).

[Tristerin]

2 minutes ago, Settlerteo said:

I just quoted on one exact statement you made and no you re wrong. AMD was ahead many times in the past but as you correctly said right now they fall behind and probably the radeon vii isn't gonna fix that(in certain workloads------gaming).

You and everyone else quoted me at the same time.  People need to relax on arguing theoretical potential what ifs.  And just delve into the discussion of WHY and HOW and CAN.  We can only look at the past to try to dictate the future (just like life!).    Even if it competes neck in neck that's great.  Will produce price wars (my opinion)

 

Just now, WikiForce said:

Ray tracing is a gimmick, not worth the performance loss with only 1 title in the market rn supported. It will just turn out like physx.

Ray tracing actually isn't a gimmick.  Its cutting edge.  A discussion can only happen if you don't only care for your opinion.

 

And if you look at performance in frames only...and they provide the SAME frames...the RTX is the better buy.  It comes with more options.  Just like buying a car, brand preference then options/performance come into play.

 

 

[Velcade]

12 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

So if you want to quote me, to argue your opinion vs mine, send me a message to my profile where we can joust 1 v 1.

 

I believe the kids today call this "Don't @ me"

[maartendc]

26 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

At a much smaller price tag

 

From a company that has never been ahead

 

And is now neck and neck

 

This is only good for us consumers! 

I thought the Radeon VII was supposed to be $699? So same price as the RTX 2080?

 

It is good that AMD can kind of keep up, but they should have priced it at $599 to make it a compelling purchase.

[JuztBe]

Good, anything less wont cut it. Finally a viable alternative in high end. RTX 2080 starts at 740€ here (likely less in US), so price difference isn't as big either. Can go with either imo.

 

[Drak3]

1 minute ago, WikiForce said:

It will just turn out like physx.

Ray Tracing is part of one of the higher levels of DX12. There are rumors that next gen consoles might include it. It's already off to a much better start, especially since ray tracing is in its infancy, not really ready for a general consumer push.

[Franck]

I am curious of the word choices. How is very slightly ahead in 1 test and 20% behind in all the older considered neck to neck ? That mean the 2070 is also neck to neck with the 2080

[Tristerin]

1 minute ago, maartendc said:

I thought the Radeon VII was supposed to be $699? So same price as the RTX 2080?

 

It is good that AMD can kind of keep up, but they should have priced it at $599 to make it a compelling purchase.

Agreed - but my opinion is formulated via the Price to Performance and Options.  The RTX 2080 is a MUCH better buy if they share the same price tag (has more options) - my opinion and speculation is it just cant survive at that price tag unless AMD doesn't actually care and are trying to recoup costs from this (The other speculation is this is a binned in the wrong direction ship from their server cards?).  Im hoping that it cant compete with RTX and will have a lower price tag.  I don't see personally how you can offer that card at the same price and expect sales.  Im Team Red and would buy the RTX first if I had to choose (given NVIDIAs history its just better at GPUs all around which would help solidify that decision for myself)

[Settlerteo]

9 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Ray tracing actually isn't a gimmick.  Its cutting edge.  A discussion can only happen if you don't only care for your opinion.

It is cutting edge i agree with that. but for me HBM is the real progression in GPUs. The only problem is that amd doesn't have the means to push HBM technology faster. If Nvidia made GPUs with HBM memory they would probably be much better in every aspect than their current cards but that's outside the topic of this thread.

[Ithanul]

1 minute ago, maartendc said:

I thought the Radeon VII was supposed to be $699? So same price as the RTX 2080?

 

It is good that AMD can kind of keep up, but they should have priced it at $599 to make it a compelling purchase.

So far I only seen that stated over on Techpowerup, and even then, that probably a guessed price.

The card is a stop gap till Navi drops.  Currently though, if anyone looking to upgrade to a higher performing card then what they have, it at least gives a choice at that price range (especially for folks with freesync monitors).