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Apple will reportedly store Russian user data locally, possibly decrypt on request

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https://venturebeat.com/2019/02/01/apple-will-reportedly-store-russian-user-data-locally-possibly-decrypt-on-request/

 

"Laws in Russia have mandated since 2014 that Apple store Russian citizens’ user data within the country, but the company has apparently dodged the requirement — until now. According to a Foreign Policy report (via AppleInsider), Russia’s telecommunications and media agency Roskomnadzor has confirmed that Apple will comply with the local data storage law, which appears to have major implications for the company’s privacy initiatives."

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>Apple

>the company’s privacy initiatives

 

????? lol

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what implications does it have?

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6 minutes ago, aezakmi said:

>Apple

>the company’s privacy initiatives

 

????? lol

I don't like apple and give them crap about alot of things but security and privacy aren't one of them. They are pretty adamant about privacy and security and do some strange things in the name of security. 

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Ah, the media used to shout that the asinine law that all the data on russian users should be stored locally for 3 years would be impossibly expensive and unenforceable. Guess where there is a will there is a way. It kinda sux, but our goverment is jealous of us spy machine and they want a toy of their own

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4 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

that's an odd move considering Apple were fine batteling the FBI in the name of privacy... 

You can battle a government agency (at least superficially and to some degree legally) in a free country.

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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Just now, mr moose said:

You can battle a government agency (at least superficially and to some degree legally) in a free country.

what was russia gonna do though? ban Apple form the country entirely if they didn't comply? 

She/Her

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Just now, firelighter487 said:

what was russia gonna do though? ban Apple form the country entirely if they didn't comply? 

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5 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

that's an odd move considering Apple were fine batteling the FBI in the name of privacy... 

America is not as intimidating as Russia.

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14 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

America is not as intimidating as Russia.

Is that why the world quakes anytime America says they might do something in a foreign country

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29 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

that's an odd move considering Apple were fine batteling the FBI in the name of privacy... 

Yep!

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4 minutes ago, Eaglerino said:

Is that why the world quakes anytime America says they might do something in a foreign country

Nothing recent comes to mind.

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1 hour ago, RorzNZ said:

what implications does it have?

Bad ones for Russians with iphones and potentially other manufacturers if they decide to do follow apple.  Also bad because other regimes may request this from Apple as well. This would also affect people who know people that live in Russia and message them as the privacy of their messages would also be compromised.  Overall, I can't believe a company that touts itself as the privacy option would agree to do this.  Just goes to show the Apple drones that you can't trust a corporation.

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12 minutes ago, peanuts104 said:

Bad ones for Russians with iphones and potentially other manufacturers if they decide to do follow apple.  Also bad because other regimes may request this from Apple as well. This would also affect people who know people that live in Russia and message them as the privacy of their messages would also be compromised.  Overall, I can't believe a company that touts itself as the privacy option would agree to do this.  Just goes to show the Apple drones that you can't trust a corporation.

How do we know the Russian government will have access? It seems they are just transferring the data to secure Apple servers, but based in Russia. 

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8 minutes ago, peanuts104 said:

Bad ones for Russians with iphones and potentially other manufacturers if they decide to do follow apple.  Also bad because other regimes may request this from Apple as well. This would also affect people who know people that live in Russia and message them as the privacy of their messages would also be compromised.  Overall, I can't believe a company that touts itself as the privacy option would agree to do this.  Just goes to show the Apple drones that you can't trust a corporation.

Well, what do you expect them to do instead? Shut down their services for Russian users? Isolate Russian Apple services from the rest of the world?

 

There's literally nothing Apple can do if Russia requires them to store data locally. They can comply or give up on the market altogether, and it's not exactly hard to guess what it'll be considering that, at the end of the day, it's a profit-oriented organization. Russia isn't America, I highly doubt Apple could refuse to comply and just get on with their day.

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The report isn't saying that Russia is requiring Apple to store user data that it otherwise wasn't already storing. It's just saying that rather than send that user data to the US where it is currently being stored, Apple is required to store it in Russia's borders. As in, data on Russian citizens must be kept within Russia's borders.

 

The EU already has a similar law:

 

https://www.bpe.co.uk/services/need/data-protection-the-gdpr/brilliantly-simple-guide-to-the-gdpr/transferring-data-outside-the-uk/

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The Eighth Data Protection Principle states: 

 

“Personal data shall not be transferred to a country or territory outside the EEA unless that country or territory ensures an adequate level of protection for the rights and freedoms of data subjects in relation to the processing of personal data.”

 

What does the DPA definition really mean?

 

Data can be freely transferred to those non-EEA countries that have been approved by the European Commission as having adequate data privacy laws, including Argentina, Canada, Switzerland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man, Israel and New Zealand. 

 

Data can only be freely transferred to any US businesses that have signed up to the EU-US Privacy Shield framework.

 

And the US and other Western countries already have it that a company has to hand over data requested by government when required by law, and when a warrant for it is issued - and even without a warrant or requirement by law as all the major tech companies including Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Twitter, are in partnership with the US government and are eager to hand user data over (see: PRISM, and this).

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6 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

what was russia gonna do though? ban Apple form the country entirely if they didn't comply? 

It doesn't matter what Russia was/is going to do, there just isn't the same dialogue with the Russian government as their is with the US.  Even if that dialogue is somewhat superficial.

 

 

Grammar and spelling is not indicative of intelligence/knowledge.  Not having the same opinion does not always mean lack of understanding.  

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21 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

so if apple were to set up a server of their own control in russia, that would be fine? o_o

Apparently that would be fine under EU guidelines, but given Russia allegedly want access to said data I'd say it isn't that simple.

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9 minutes ago, VegetableStu said:

so it's something like iCloud in china then? o_o where it's managed by a local company

That's what the article is claiming, in fact they went as far to say:

 

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Apple’s obligations in Russia would at least parallel ones in China, which required it turn over Chinese citizens’ iCloud data to a partially government-operated datacenter last year. In addition to processing and storing Russian citizens’ data on servers physically within Russia, Apple will apparently need to decrypt and produce user data for the country’s security services as requested.

 

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This article names one of the Russian data-centres Apple is using:

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-04/apple-filing-details-user-data-the-company-is-storing-in-russia

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Apple agreed to put some information into a server warehouse in Russia that’s operated by IXcellerate, Russian publication Kommersant reported in 2015.

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How does one decrypt user data? Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of having an encryption in the first place? LOL?

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2 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

How does one decrypt user data? Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of having an encryption in the first place? LOL?

"Only" the "good guys" will have access to the decryption keys, so it's all "good".

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