Apple Kills Google's Enterprise Development Certification

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

3 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Exactly, everyone criticized Windows 10S for dictating what apps you can install, yet most are supportive of apple doing the same under the excuse of security.

that's because of 2 things. 

 

1. Windows 10 S is the same insecure mess as Windows 10 but without the ability to install a better antivirus than the default one.

 

2. the Windows store has basically no useful apps in it, including no third party browsers, something that Apple does allow in the App Store. 

[DrMacintosh]

4 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

Not that Android won't, I think its more of they are allowing the choice of what apps can get installed.

And in doing so their platform is vulnerable. 

 

Apple has a reputation and brand image to upkeep. Their services and reliability are selling points, opening the floodgates is bad for business. 

[DrMacintosh]

1 minute ago, firelighter487 said:

something that Apple does allow in the App Store. 

Technically. But all iOS browsers run on WebKit which is just Safari with a skin. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Technically. But all iOS browsers run on WebKit which is just Safari with a skin. 

yes but Microsoft outright doesn't allow it. 

 

and the webkit thing isn't important. if you use Chrome for example it's really nice that you can install chrome on your iOS device and have all your crap sync up with chrome on your other devices. chrome on iOS running on webkit is not important in that case. 

[Thaldor]

34 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

And in doing so their platform is vulnerable. 

 

Apple has a reputation and brand image to upkeep. Their services and reliability are selling points, opening the floodgates is bad for business. 

That's why the "allow unknown sources" is disabled as default. Those who sideload apps on Android know what they are doing and those who don't know and manage to get infected are just normal idiots (that's why there's a warning too).

 

You can take this as sarcasm, but it sounds like Apple knows their userbase is so stupid that if they were to implement the same option to allow sideloading, every single iOS user would enable it and first thing search "install app x" and press download from the most shadiest website they can find and be surprised that they got infected. I just wonder how big things iOS users have, how cheap they get their Viagra and how many singles there's near them, probably they also paid just 1$ for their iPhones and if not their long lost African cousins happen to be princes and princesses to pay for their brand new iPhones. ()

[DrMacintosh]

5 minutes ago, Thaldor said:

You can take this as sarcasm, but it sounds like Apple knows their userbase is so stupid that if they were to implement the same option to allow sideloading

Uhhhh

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/12/how-to-sideload-apps-on-iphone-ipad-ios-9/

 

You're about 3 years out of date on your info there bud

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

7 minutes ago, Thaldor said:

That's why the "allow unknown sources" is disabled as default. Those who sideload apps on Android know what they are doing and those who don't know and manage to get infected are just normal idiots (that's why there's a warning too).

well if you download apps from the trending page of the play store the chance of getting malware is quite large. 

source

 

1 minute ago, DrMacintosh said:

Uhhhh

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/12/how-to-sideload-apps-on-iphone-ipad-ios-9/

 

You're about 3 years out of date on your info there bud

it seems that people these days don't know how google works... 

[Thaldor]

12 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Uhhhh

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/12/how-to-sideload-apps-on-iphone-ipad-ios-9/

 

You're about 3 years out of date on your info there bud

That is quite a far away from sideloading on Android. Not only you need to compile the app yourself, but you also need propietary software running only on MacOS to do so (yeah, VM and hackintosh are also options). With the same hassle I could just run the app from the PC without installing it on Android or even just emulate Android and run it from there.

 

Like @firelighter487 you missed the point by 200 freedomunits. Tell me how it would destroy Apples reputation if there was feature like Androids apk installation on iOS?

And if your answer is something like "it would bring malwares to iOS" then do you also blame Apple Mail for that you paid to the Nigerian prince and he turned out not to be your rich cousin and he just took your money and ran?

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, Thaldor said:

Not only you need to compile the app yourself, but you also need propietary software running only on MacOS to do so (yeah, VM and hackintosh are also options). With the same hassle I could just run the app from the PC without installing it on Android or even just emulate Android and run it from there.

Also not true. 

 

Simply download the profile and application from a webpage, trust the certificate, and launch the app.....

 

Don't talk about what you don't know about. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

4 minutes ago, Thaldor said:

then do you also blame Apple Mail for that you paid to the Nigerian prince and he turned out not to be your rich cousin and he just took your money and ran?

no recuasse i realise that email is something completely different to viruses, and phishing has nothing to do with malware anyway. 

 

if I somehow get a virus on my Mac because of Apple Mail I will say that Apple should improve it's spam filters and the security of the OS. but that hasn't happened yet. so I'm not saying it. 

Edited February 2, 2019 by firelighter487

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Also not true. 

 

Simply download the profile and application from a webpage, trust the certificate, and launch the app.....

 

Don't talk about what you don't know about. 

is it really that easy? I didn't know that. 

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

is it really that easy? I didn't know that. 

Yeah. Though this method technically only works for 1 week. The app will run for longer than that though, assuming that you don't restart your phone. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Yeah. Though this method technically only works for 1 week. The app will run for longer than that though, assuming that you don't restart your phone. 

well I don't need that functionality but it's cool that it's there. 

 

are there steps for security though? like do you have to go to some menu to verify the certificate? 

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

are there steps for security though? like do you have to go to some menu to verify the certificate? 

Yes

Settings->General->Profiles->

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, DrMacintosh said:

Yes

Settings->General->Profiles->

good. as it should be. just installing whatever you want isn't good for security  

[Curufinwe_wins]

3 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

I’ve never had a problem with it. It’s got a way better interface than Google Maps imo as well. And the maps look better too. Especially the recent enhancements 

Maybe it works better where you are. But it has been consistently behind in both accuracy and usability of navigation where I live and travel. It's bad enough that even all of my iPhone using friends/relatives have swapped.

 

It seems not to know how to deal with construction season very well (which in WI is year round), and the live updates are much slower/more inconsistent.

 

But iirc, Apple Maps relies on a different service on the backend. So maybe it's just that that service isnt very good here.

[DrMacintosh]

26 minutes ago, Curufinwe_wins said:

But iirc, Apple Maps relies on a different service on the backend. So maybe it's just that that service isnt very good here.

Apple provides all their own mapping data now. They are focusing on major cities so their maps benefit the most amount of people before they can expand out. 

 

The new enhanced map data is currently only for SoCal residents. It takes time to build these things. 

 

Though they are incredibly responsive to map feedback. I told them there should be a Chase ATM marked in a shopping center and they put it there after 2 days. 

[mr moose]

4 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Correction

 

Apple is dictating what software can be published on the App Store. An online marketplace which they entirely own. 

That's not a correction, that is pointing out the issue even further.   Unless you wan't to delve into xcode and create accounts etc the average person can't easily install an app from another website or company without the appstore.

3 hours ago, firelighter487 said:

that's because of 2 things. 

 

1. Windows 10 S is the same insecure mess as Windows 10 but without the ability to install a better antivirus than the default one.

 

2. the Windows store has basically no useful apps in it, including no third party browsers, something that Apple does allow in the App Store. 

Your personal opinion of windows and it's apps doesn't change the argument.  Either everyone has the choice of what apps to install on their phone/pc or they don't. You can't argue MS has no right to dictate what apps a consumer can install while apple does.

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Uhhhh

https://www.idownloadblog.com/2015/10/12/how-to-sideload-apps-on-iphone-ipad-ios-9/

 

You're about 3 years out of date on your info there bud

Again, if you think the average users is going to delve into that in order to sideload an app you may as well argue that jailbreaking is a valid way of install whichever app a consumer wants.  They shouldn't have to create accounts and use xcode to side load an, they should be able to tick of a box in the settings and install from anywhere.

 

[DrMacintosh]

7 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Unless you wan't to delve into xcode and create accounts etc the average person can't easily install an app from another website or company without the appstore.

 

2 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

Simply download the profile and application from a webpage, trust the certificate, and launch the app.....

Do yourself a favor and read what's already been posted. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

35 minutes ago, mr moose said:

the average person can't easily install an app from another website or company without the appstore.

@DrMacintosh already corrected the start of that sentence, but I can address this part. 

 

I think that is a good thing. if the average person can install whatever they want then the device will get infected with all kinds of malware in no-time. just look at a Windows laptop owned by an average person (so no adblocker, no good antivirus, original bloatware-filled OEM install. etc) and just look at the amount of crap on such a machine. 

 

EDIT: I know you're gonna say 'macOS allows anything to be installed' but the security is better. Windows just brings up a box that says this random file could harm your pc. open it? and then you can just click yes. on macOS if you download a file from a random site you get a popup saying the app is from an unidentified developer, you then have to go to preferences, security&privacy, and allow it there. much better for protecting people who don't always know what they download and open. 

 

35 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Your personal opinion of windows and it's apps doesn't change the argument.  Either everyone has the choice of what apps to install on their phone/pc or they don't. You can't argue MS has no right to dictate what apps a consumer can install while apple does.

it depends to what level. not allowing a third-party browser is crazy. 

[Curufinwe_wins]

56 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Apple provides all their own mapping data now. They are focusing on major cities so their maps benefit the most amount of people before they can expand out. 

 

The new enhanced map data is currently only for SoCal residents. It takes time to build these things. 

 

Though they are incredibly responsive to map feedback. I told them there should be a Chase ATM marked in a shopping center and they put it there after 2 days. 

Interesting, and good to know) 

 

Ok, so let me rephrase, outside of the major cities that Apple has dramatically improved their maps service, Apple Maps is not very good)

 

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

 

Do yourself a favor and read what's already been posted. 

I read the link you provided and it said you had to download xcode and create an account.

 

So my question is can the average iphone user install any app they want or do they need to start downloading more stuff to do it?

 

48 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

@DrMacintosh already corrected the start of that sentence, but I can address this part. 

 

I think that is a good thing. if the average person can install whatever they want then the device will get infected with all kinds of malware in no-time. just look at a Windows laptop owned by an average person (so no adblocker, no good antivirus, original bloatware-filled OEM install. etc) and just look at the amount of crap on such a machine. 

 

EDIT: I know you're gonna say 'macOS allows anything to be installed' but the security is better. Windows just brings up a box that says this random file could harm your pc. open it? and then you can just click yes. on macOS if you download a file from a random site you get a popup saying the app is from an unidentified developer, you then have to go to preferences, security&privacy, and allow it there. much better for protecting people who don't always know what they download and open. 

 

it depends to what level. not allowing a third-party browser is crazy. 

 

Talk about clutching at straws.   Windows is bad while mac is more secure...   Please. None of that changes anything I said nor the argument I am raising.

 

If Apple get to dictate what apps the user can install then why shouldn't MS?   I notice no one  has addressed that.  Not surprising though as it requires one to be inconsistent with their application of consumer rights.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

5 minutes ago, mr moose said:

If Apple get to dictate what apps the user can install then why shouldn't MS?   I notice no one  has addressed that.  Not surprising though as it requires one to be inconsistent with their application of consumer rights.

because Apple does it on phones while MS does it on PC's. 

 

also Windows phone was worse than iOS in terms of what you could install.... so....

[Drak3]

10 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

because Apple does it on phones while MS does it on PC's. 

 

also Windows phone was worse than iOS in terms of what you could install.... so....

Or, ya'know, Apple's control basically starts and ends with enforcing long established policies and blocking malware.

 

Whereas Microsoft's control and blocking of other browsers doesn't.

[Guest]

27 minutes ago, mr moose said:

If Apple get to dictate what apps the user can install then why shouldn't MS?   I notice no one  has addressed that.  Not surprising though as it requires one to be inconsistent with their application of consumer rights.

Apple does do this to a significant degree I suppose already. There are positives and negatives for both sides of the argument, but at the end of the day a user can install third party apps not approved by the vendors on both operating systems. 

 

Apple should IMO dictate, because of their huge focus on security, and we do a lot of personal stuff like, banking, communication, photos on our devices, rather than on a computer. I can easily live without my Laptop for a month or two, but living without my phone would be super tricky. Times change I suppose, and so a very important need to keep our information private, when we have built these things to share information.