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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hey community!

Today, I saw this thing on my Facebook feed. You guys tell me stories too of dumb things you witnessed regarding PC Builds in general :) 
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Back intake and front mounted radiator instead of top, alright. Raises some questions...

 

So I comment (in French):"I kinda get the radiator on the front since it benefits from the intake of the front 2x 200mm fans. But why is the 140mm fan at the back an intake? Is there no exhaust? You guys might just recirculate hot air trough the case. And I hope you guys added a filter to that back intake"
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So the company (TopAchat) answers: "We took out the 2x 200mm front fans to mount the CLC? Fresh air "simply" comes in from the back - we "simply" reversed the airflow"

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This gives me even more questions: "So you charge the case at full-price, then you remove the front 2x 200mm fans? Why? Also, as opposed to the H500P, the H500M has very good intake (as demonstrated by Gamers Nexus), I don't see the point of your "simple reversed airflow. You guys are compromising air intake not only by replacing 2x 200mm fans with 1x 140mm, but also by not adding a dust filter to that back intake. Just leave everything stock and mount the CLC on the top. Also, 1x 140mm intake for the VRMs around a 9700k and a 2080ti is "simply" not enough. You can't call this professional."

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This is just - what the heck haha! It's all just so dumb. I like how they repeatedly used the word "simply" when they just made it all more complicated :D
 


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I got a pc that they sent to me with dead ram sticks, a bad motherboard (all but 1 PCIE slot was dead -_-), and another where they took out all the preinstalled fans to make room for their logo plate on the front panel. there was just 1 intake and 1 exhaust that was left ( 1 of the exhausts was for the AIO on the cpu...)

 

They said that it was all checked, and had the builder run all the tests, and i got the "yes, everything has been checked and works" letter sent with the pc. good job cybertronpc. 


Rig 1: i7-9700k OC'd to 5.0ghz all core | EVGA XC RTX 2080Ti | ADATA DDR4 2400mhz 4x8gb | ASUS PRIME Z370-P | Asetek 550LC 120mm | ADATA 480GB SSD & Toshiba P300 3TB | Cooler Master Masterbox MB500 | Win 10 Home | Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum, G502 Proteus Spectrum, G933 Artemis Spectrum Snow Wireless Limited Edition, Corsair MM300 Mouse Pad | 2 MSI Optix Curved 27" FHD Monitors 

 

(before i sold the WD drive and MSI gpu - https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11946219 171 gaming. felt good.)

 

Rig 2: i7-7700k Stock clocks | MSI Armor GTX 1070 | ADATA DDR4 2400mhz 2x8GB | MSI Z270 A-Pro | WD Green 240GB SSD & 2TB Seagate HDD | Thermaltake Core G21 Tempered Glass Edition | Win 10 Home | 2 HP Omen FHD 144hz 24.5" Monitors 

 

Rig 3: i7-6700 | GT 730 & GT 645 OEM | Some random DDR4 2133mhz 2x8gb sticks | OEM Dell Mobo | WD Black 2TB HDD & Toshiba 1TB HDD | Win 10 Home | 3 27" Dell FHD Monitors 

 

Rig 4: i7-4770 | EVGA SSC 1050ti | Some random DDR3 ram 2x2gb and 2x4gb sticks | OEM Dell Mobo | Stock Cooler | 1TB WD Black HDD | Win 7 Home 

 

RIP 

 

Rig 5 (dead and dismantled and sold) : i7-7820X OC'd to 4.8ghz all core | MSI DUKE 1080ti | ADATA DDR4 2400mhz 4x8gb | Gigabyte X299 UD4 PRO | Asetek 240mm AIO | WD Green 240gb SSD | Other various components that I can't remember

 

Rig 6 (same fate as rig 5) i7-8700k stock clocks | MSI DUKE 1080ti | ADATA DDR4 2400mhz 2x8gb | MSI Z370 A-Pro | Asetek 550LC 120mm | WD Green 240GB SSD & Toshiba 2TB HDD | Other various components that I can't Remember 

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Posted · Original PosterOP
4 minutes ago, TH3R34P3R said:

good job cybertronpc. 

JESUS! They went all out :o What was that? That's sad, but hilarious at the same time


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Just now, Beer_Nontitju said:

JESUS! They went all out :o What was that? That's sad, but hilarious at the same time

well its a very 'good' and well respected company from what i know in the Prebuilt world in the US... not in my opinion. never gotten a good build from them. cyberpower pc at least accepts their faults. cybertron tried to blame me... 


Rig 1: i7-9700k OC'd to 5.0ghz all core | EVGA XC RTX 2080Ti | ADATA DDR4 2400mhz 4x8gb | ASUS PRIME Z370-P | Asetek 550LC 120mm | ADATA 480GB SSD & Toshiba P300 3TB | Cooler Master Masterbox MB500 | Win 10 Home | Logitech G910 Orion Spectrum, G502 Proteus Spectrum, G933 Artemis Spectrum Snow Wireless Limited Edition, Corsair MM300 Mouse Pad | 2 MSI Optix Curved 27" FHD Monitors 

 

(before i sold the WD drive and MSI gpu - https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/11946219 171 gaming. felt good.)

 

Rig 2: i7-7700k Stock clocks | MSI Armor GTX 1070 | ADATA DDR4 2400mhz 2x8GB | MSI Z270 A-Pro | WD Green 240GB SSD & 2TB Seagate HDD | Thermaltake Core G21 Tempered Glass Edition | Win 10 Home | 2 HP Omen FHD 144hz 24.5" Monitors 

 

Rig 3: i7-6700 | GT 730 & GT 645 OEM | Some random DDR4 2133mhz 2x8gb sticks | OEM Dell Mobo | WD Black 2TB HDD & Toshiba 1TB HDD | Win 10 Home | 3 27" Dell FHD Monitors 

 

Rig 4: i7-4770 | EVGA SSC 1050ti | Some random DDR3 ram 2x2gb and 2x4gb sticks | OEM Dell Mobo | Stock Cooler | 1TB WD Black HDD | Win 7 Home 

 

RIP 

 

Rig 5 (dead and dismantled and sold) : i7-7820X OC'd to 4.8ghz all core | MSI DUKE 1080ti | ADATA DDR4 2400mhz 4x8gb | Gigabyte X299 UD4 PRO | Asetek 240mm AIO | WD Green 240gb SSD | Other various components that I can't remember

 

Rig 6 (same fate as rig 5) i7-8700k stock clocks | MSI DUKE 1080ti | ADATA DDR4 2400mhz 2x8gb | MSI Z370 A-Pro | Asetek 550LC 120mm | WD Green 240GB SSD & Toshiba 2TB HDD | Other various components that I can't Remember 

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1 hour ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

Hey community!

Today, I saw this thing on my Facebook feed. You guys tell me stories too of dumb things you witnessed regarding PC Builds in general :) 
image.png.d955d5d54f8e8489dcf008871327088a.png
Back intake and front mounted radiator instead of top, alright. Raises some questions...

 

So I comment (in French):"I kinda get the radiator on the front since it benefits from the intake of the front 2x 200mm fans. But why is the 140mm fan at the back an intake? Is there no exhaust? You guys might just recirculate hot air trough the case. And I hope you guys added a filter to that back intake"
image.png.5fb76a0eb9c9b56f1e4f1df75f624f61.png

So the company (TopAchat) answers: "We took out the 2x 200mm front fans to mount the CLC? Fresh air "simply" comes in from the back - we "simply" reversed the airflow"

image.png.c3c3d9fa081a01c372b03d050a9e4032.png

 

This gives me even more questions: "So you charge the case at full-price, then you remove the front 2x 200mm fans? Why? Also, as opposed to the H500P, the H500M has very good intake (as demonstrated by Gamers Nexus), I don't see the point of your "simple reversed airflow. You guys are compromising air intake not only by replacing 2x 200mm fans with 1x 140mm, but also by not adding a dust filter to that back intake. Just leave everything stock and mount the CLC on the top. Also, 1x 140mm intake for the VRMs around a 9700k and a 2080ti is "simply" not enough. You can't call this professional."

image.png.d1d433e7fa7e0e63960ddb13ebb71f5f.png

This is just - what the heck haha! It's all just so dumb. I like how they repeatedly used the word "simply" when they just made it all more complicated :D
 

Maybe the customer ordered it that way? Either way, it looks messed up.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, UncleJarvis said:

Maybe the customer ordered it that way?

Actually they just build it, advertise it, then you can buy it. So I strongly doubt a customer ordered it that way...


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On 1/23/2019 at 4:03 PM, Beer_Nontitju said:

Hey community!

Today, I saw this thing on my Facebook feed. You guys tell me stories too of dumb things you witnessed regarding PC Builds in general :) 
image.png.d955d5d54f8e8489dcf008871327088a.png
Back intake and front mounted radiator instead of top, alright. Raises some questions...

 

So I comment (in French):"I kinda get the radiator on the front since it benefits from the intake of the front 2x 200mm fans. But why is the 140mm fan at the back an intake? Is there no exhaust? You guys might just recirculate hot air trough the case. And I hope you guys added a filter to that back intake"
image.png.5fb76a0eb9c9b56f1e4f1df75f624f61.png

So the company (TopAchat) answers: "We took out the 2x 200mm front fans to mount the CLC? Fresh air "simply" comes in from the back - we "simply" reversed the airflow"

image.png.c3c3d9fa081a01c372b03d050a9e4032.png

 

This gives me even more questions: "So you charge the case at full-price, then you remove the front 2x 200mm fans? Why? Also, as opposed to the H500P, the H500M has very good intake (as demonstrated by Gamers Nexus), I don't see the point of your "simple reversed airflow. You guys are compromising air intake not only by replacing 2x 200mm fans with 1x 140mm, but also by not adding a dust filter to that back intake. Just leave everything stock and mount the CLC on the top. Also, 1x 140mm intake for the VRMs around a 9700k and a 2080ti is "simply" not enough. You can't call this professional."

image.png.d1d433e7fa7e0e63960ddb13ebb71f5f.png

This is just - what the heck haha! It's all just so dumb. I like how they repeatedly used the word "simply" when they just made it all more complicated :D
 

did you get a response for the 2nd message?

 

my nightmare from lenovo was more to do with my stupidity buying a prebuilt

 

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Some times the hard drive tray interferes with the video card and you cannot even put a drive inside it. What kind of shananigans is this other than a negligent design which is more and more common these days especially with knockoff manufacturers in Asia

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Posted · Original PosterOP
16 hours ago, k.m.p said:

did you get a response for the 2nd message?

sadly not, they did not answer after that 

As for your Lenovo problem, it is indeed sad you could not make simple upgrades because they cheaped out on propriatery components. But in the case of topachat, they have standardizred equipment at disposal, but they still managed to kind of botch it...


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18 minutes ago, Beer_Nontitju said:

sadly not, they did not answer after that 

As for your Lenovo problem, it is indeed sad you could not make simple upgrades because they cheaped out on propriatery components. But in the case of topachat, they have standardizred equipment at disposal, but they still managed to kind of botch it...

Stuff like this is why I'm most likely to recommend custum built pc's, even when I am the one who has to do the building, pushing them towards this kind of crap just feels wrong.

 

That being said, I don't know if its because they were gaming pc's but most the prebuilts in ltt secret shopper actually used decent components, I hope it is a change for the better

 

Edit: Its not that they cheaped out on proprietary components, they deliberately put them there for that reason, having to build a different motherboard connector and case must have cost them extra, they knew that it would hurt the upgradability down the line

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On 1/23/2019 at 5:03 PM, Beer_Nontitju said:

You guys are compromising air intake not only by replacing 2x 200mm fans with 1x 140mm

Except they didn't.  The photo clearly shows 2 fans behind that radiator.  So the case has three fans, all of them 140mm by the looks of things.

 

That being said, whoever decided to invert the airflow clearly has no idea what they're doing.

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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 hour ago, Captain Chaos said:

Except they didn't. 

To me, replacing 2x 200mm fan intake with 1x 140mm is making it inferior. The fans on the radiator are on push configuration doubling as exhaust. So the only intake is  that one fan at the back... without any dust filter


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