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GTA V - Terrible performance after GPU upgrade (Low GPU Usage)

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Posted · Original PosterOP

I have been playing GTA V on my desktop without performance issues since 2015, my specs were:

i7 2600k @ 4.6ghz
16gb RAM
7200rpm HD
GTX 970 SC

With the specs above, I was able to play just fine @ 1080p around 60fps


Recently I bought a new GPU, going from the GTX 970 SC to a GTX 1070ti SC
 

Yesterday I booted GTA V for the first time since the GPU upgrade, and for my surprise, the performance was abysmal.

I'll list the issues:
 

1. Start menu/main menu abysmal performance
Launching the game, I was granted with a very stuttery menu, steam was saying that it was around 35fps, but moving my mouse felt more like 10fps
Opening nVidia inspector I noticed that my GPU was at 100% usage on the menu


2. Bad ingame performance
Even at 1080p and medium settings, I wasn't able to reach 60fps at GTA online, I tried lowering to 800x600 at 0,5 frame scalling, and was still below 80fps


3. Constant micro stutters + eventual macro stutters
The game is stuttering really bad all the time, even walking around inside a garage, the game still stutters, and trying to drive around town was a pain with eventual hangs that could last almost 1 second
 

Some aditional information:
 

After installing the 1070ti, I updated the driver to version 399.24 doing a clean installation.


I already used steam to verify integrity and no issue was found


I know that usually stutters in GTA are caused by slow HD, but I'm using the same HD that worked just fine before the GPU upgrade, and I even moved the game folder to a newer HD just to test, but had the same issues

Does anyone knows what could be the issue, and how to fix it?


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1 minute ago, Specht77 said:

I have been playing GTA V on my desktop without performance issues since 2015, my specs were:

i7 2600k @ 4.6ghz
16gb RAM
7200rpm HD
GTX 970 SC

With the specs above, I was able to play just fine @ 1080p around 60fps


Recently I bought a new GPU, going from the GTX 970 SC to a GTX 1070ti SC

Yesterday I booted GTA V for the first time since the GPU upgrade, and for my surprise, the performance was abysmal.

I'll list the issues:

1. Start menu/main menu abysmal performance
Launching the game, I was granted with a very stuttery menu, steam was saying that it was around 35fps, but moving my mouse felt more like 10fps
Opening nVidia inspector I noticed that my GPU was at 100% usage on the menu

2. Bad ingame performance
Even at 1080p and medium settings, I wasn't able to reach 60fps at GTA online, I tried lowering to 800x600 at 0,5 frame scalling, and was still below 80fps

3. Constant micro stutters + eventual macro stutters
The game is stuttering really bad all the time, even walking around inside a garage, the game still stutters, and trying to drive around town was a pain with eventual hangs that could last almost 1 second

Some aditional information:

After installing the 1070ti, I updated the driver to version 399.24 doing a clean installation.

I already used steam to verify integrity and no issue was found

I know that usually stutters in GTA are caused by slow HD, but I'm using the same HD that worked just fine after the GPU upgrade, and I even moved the game folder to a newer HD just to test, but had the same issues

Does anyone knows what could be the issue, and how to fix it?

Possibly a bad GPU?

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When you change your GPU it is recommended to do it by using DDU, to delete the old drivers. Try that.
Is your RAM in dual channel ? How much hardware reserve Windows takes from it ?

Can you provide full GPU stats while being under load, so we can see if something looks odd ?
What is your CPU usage ?


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Posted · Original PosterOP
Just now, bobbyd52 said:

Possibly a bad GPU?

 

unlikely, I'm using the new GPU for about 2 months and it's running everything else just fine (Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, Crossout, Beware, CS:GO, PUBG and other games tested)


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6 minutes ago, Specht77 said:

 

unlikely, I'm using the new GPU for about 2 months and it's running everything else just fine (Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, Crossout, Beware, CS:GO, PUBG and other games tested)

Reinstall the game.


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11 minutes ago, Specht77 said:

 

unlikely, I'm using the new GPU for about 2 months and it's running everything else just fine (Assetto Corsa, Assetto Corsa Competizione, Crossout, Beware, CS:GO, PUBG and other games tested)

If everything else works great. Then i would reset GTA V. Remove the profile settings and try again.

C:\Users\{username}\Documents\Rockstar Games\GTA V\Profiles\

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Posted · Original PosterOP
16 minutes ago, voiha said:

When you change your GPU it is recommended to do it by using DDU, to delete the old drivers. Try that.
Is your RAM in dual channel ? How much hardware reserve Windows takes from it ?

Can you provide full GPU stats while being under load, so we can see if something looks odd ?
What is your CPU usage ?

I do believe it's on dual channel, I have 4 sticks of 4gb each, is there a way to check if dual channel is enabled?

With only task manager opened, it's using 3,5gb

 

How do I provide full GPU stats?

Will see the CPU usage after reinstalling the game

7 minutes ago, TheNaitsyrk said:

Reinstall the game.

Doing right now

Just now, Dujith said:

If everything else works great. Then i would reset GTA V. Remove the profile settings and try again.

C:\Users\{username}\Documents\Rockstar Games\GTA V\Profiles\

Doing right now


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11 minutes ago, Specht77 said:

How do I provide full GPU stats?

Will see the CPU usage after reinstalling the game

A program called GPU-Z.

You can post screenshots of it here


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Posted · Original PosterOP

So, I removed the game, deleted the folder at /Documents and /Appdata, restarted the computer, and installed the game again

 

The first problem listed above (Abysmal menu performance) seems fixed, it's now fixed at 64fps using just 20% of my GPU

 

But the ingame performance is still really bad, at 1080p with minimum graphics, it's running below 70fps.

The GPU usage was around 40% during loading screens, but around 20% during gameplay

The CPU usage was around 60~80% 

(look at the GPU usage.jpg attached below)

 

GTA usage.jpg

 

 

 

 

I then tried ticking almost all graphics option 1 click to the right (normal options went to high, OFF went to normal, MSAA/FXAA left OFF, advanced graphics untouched (OFF))

This way, with 1080p and graphics on medium/high it ran well below 60fps (40~55fps)

The GPU usage was still around 20% during gameplay

The CPU usage was still 60~80%

 

Both tests I ticked the "Log to file" on GPU-Z but no file was created :(


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Some more updates on my saga...

 

I downloaded the DDU thing, ran it while on safe mode, erased all display drivers, and then installed the newest driver from nvidia (417.71)

 

Tried running GTA again, and the performance is still the same

 

I mean, at least the menu issue, and stuttering issues seems to be completely fixed by reinstalling completely the game 

 

I noticed that my GPU usage was 20~39% and my clocks were around 700mhz, while it should be way above 1600mhz

 

So i tried once again the "prefer maximum performance" on the nvidia driver, and this time the clock was fixed at 1772mhz

 

BUT the GPU usage was even less! something around 14~25%

 

And the FPS is still 40~55

 

I simply don't understand...


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16 minutes ago, Froug said:

If bottlenecking was the issue, the CPU would be at 100% all the time. OP said it was 60-80% only.

A CPU does not HaVE to be at 100% to bottleneck.

NON-Multicore Games make this very apparent.

 

25% Usage Max CPU, 1 Thread at 100%, rest are relatively idle... as an example..
Other games only use 25-60%, some 60-80%,.. varies..

 

GTA5 - It isn't multicore aware at all.. (6-8+)

This is a thing, it happens,. this is why people actually go for higher single thread performer CPU's.


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11 hours ago, quakeguy81 said:

According to https://thebottlenecker.com/calculator your CPU is causing a 19.9% bottleneck to your GPU.  How did your GTX 970 perform in GTA V on that CPU?  Was it better than your 1070 ti?  

Capture.PNG

 

It most definitely isn't CPU bottleneck for various reasons:

 

1. The performance with GTX 970 was way better than now with the GTX 1070ti

 

2. The 20% bottleneck on your screenshot is considering a original 2600k at 3.4ghz, my 2600k is at 4.6ghz, the calculator you used allows maximum 4.4ghz (130% CPU clock) and even then the bottleneck percentage lowers to 9%:

2600k 130 percentage.PNG

 

 

I would say that at 4.6ghz the bottleneck could be around 7~8%, that sure wouldn't cause the GPU use less than 20% of it's power


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Posted · Original PosterOP

Since some were suggesting that the problem could be CPU bottleneck, I did some testing...

 

If it was really CPU bottleneck, and the CPU is holding the performance at 65 FPS with 4.6ghz, do you agree with me that it should get less than 55fps at 3.4ghz right? 

 

Well, at 4.6ghz I got 65 FPS with GPU usage at 20~25% as you can see below:


GTA 4.6ghz.jpg

 

 

 

Then, at 3.4ghz I got 63 FPS (The 2 FPS difference could be caused by the rain and car on screen) with GPU usage at 20~25%:


GTA 3.4ghz.jpg

 

 

(I swear I tried to find a session without rain, but after 15 minutes using the "find new session" several times, I decided was enough lol) 

 


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You're not the only one with this problem. I've experienced similar issues. Granted I know my CPU is showing it's age and causes some bottlenecks but in general I have not had any problems maintaining high FPS in any other game (70 - 120).

 

For myself I've noticed that while my thermals are WELL within tolerance (after running the game for over an hour the GPU and CPU >50°C) intermittently I will see my GPU clock throttle down from 2075MHz to as low as 1200MHz even in areas where clearly there is a lot happening. 

All advance graphic settings are off, nothing crazy set to ultra, just no explanation for the sudden drop. What's more is that this doesn't happen every time. I've played entire sessions for several hours and not had a problem. Again, this is the only game this does it in. Other CPU bound games do not display the same behavior. Civilization VI is the most heavily CPU bound game I have and FPS, GPU and CPU utilization are all in the green.

 

For a bit I was worried that I might have a bad GPU or something got fried but since other games run silky smooth and pascal is hardwired to prevent such things, I am at a loss.

 

I've tried asking over in the Geforce forums... THAT was a mistake. It's a hit or miss whether you get help or toxic attitude.
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I had a similar issue when I upgraded from a 970 to 1070. The FPS was capped to 25fps for unknown reasons. I had to change the cap in a txt file somewhere because it would crash when I tried it ingame.

Maybe helpful to someone else, since this does not seem to be the issue here.

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did anyone ever figure out this issue? or is gta just doomed??? i have a great oc on my cpu at 4.8ghz on a 6 and 12 core xeon cpu and a vega 64 and im having the exact same issue. 24gb of physical ddr3 mem at 1300mhz. every single other game i have functions amazing. i play brand new AAA titles and never dip below 60 fps and usually hold around 70 to 100 in 2k resolution. super hectic action can cause dips into the 60's but gta is just abysmal. its only using 60 percent of my gpu but the clocks are set to about half of what they should be. so technically thats like 20 percent of the card. i have everything maxed out except msaa and advanced graphics. in the benchmark i hit 100fps or more hahaha and the card goes full throttle hitting 1600mhz core clock and 1050mhz mem clock. but online it drops to 900mhz core clock and 500 to 800 mhz mem clock. way too low. any info would be much appreciated =D

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1 hour ago, JorDanK_Boro said:

but online it drops to 900mhz core clock and 500 to 800 mhz mem clock. way too low.

Common as can be in GTA 5 Online. It happens because of other people in the game world and what they're doing. You'll find that you get better fps in solo lobbies.

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