cpu upgrade yes or no if so to what?

[hollyh88]

So i lately asked whether i should go for an rtx 2070. that is now no longer the question my followup is my cpu. My cpu is a i5 7600. is it worth upgrading to a k version? like the i5 9600k? or to something like a ryzen 2(6/7)00x? i do need to also buy a new motherboard with a new cpu. i have a budget of around 600 euro's. I live in the netherlands. so do keep in mind that my prices are different.  

i am open to suggestions. From both which processor and which motherboard! 

[Jurrunio]

I'd rather wait for a few months till 3rd gen Ryzen reviews come out. the 7600 isnt terrible.

[hollyh88]

On 1/16/2019 at 3:01 AM, Jurrunio said:

I'd rather wait for a few months till 3rd gen Ryzen reviews come out. the 7600 isnt terrible.

that is correct the i5 7600 isnt terrible but its 4 core 4 thread does come to show when trying to play games like the newest battlefield games or assassins creed. 

i do am curious what prices the 3rd gen will bring and what performance.

 

especially since that russian website leaked some numbers. 

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, hollyh88 said:

especially since that russian website leaked some numbers. 

yeah... the leaks

and more leaks

and more leaks

all seem too good to be true to me. Just spend your money on a 2070 or 1070 ti and get a cpu/mobo upgrade when you feel like you need it. a platform upgrade to the r5 2600 is just around 200 euro's for you

[Jurrunio]

47 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

i do am curious what prices the 3rd gen will bring and what performance.

atm the only proven thing is that AMD's 8 core 16 thread can catch up to Intel's 9900k at stock, whether it can go faster is unknown. That's based on the example shown in CES when AMD ran Cinebench R15 with their engineering sample.

 

That leak, 99% chance to be wrong. Price is determined far later in the product cycle, nearly just a few weeks before launch when product reviews are being made. No way they can know about that so early.

[Chris V]

although we all love to get max fps if possible, if ur say... at 1440p, below a 2080 gpu wise and wanna make a good purchase, just go with the 2700x.

at least in austrian amazon its 320€ which is just as much as the 8700 non k. if u really want "the" gaming chip then go with the 8700k and oc it. whichll run you about 420€ ish I guess. so u just gotta decide:

- save 100 bucks, be able to swap chip til 2020

- spend extra 100 bucks, best gaming performance.

 

keep in mind, if ur not running a crazy gpu, u might not notice a difference at all with either, except for the hotter 8700k thatll also rob ya 100 bucks more.

both options leave you with enough cash for a good board I guess.

[hollyh88]

On 1/16/2019 at 5:38 AM, Chris V said:

although we all love to get max fps if possible, if ur say... at 1440p, below a 2080 gpu wise and wanna make a good purchase, just go with the 2700x.

at least in austrian amazon its 320€ which is just as much as the 8700 non k. if u really want "the" gaming chip then go with the 8700k and oc it. whichll run you about 420€ ish I guess. so u just gotta decide:

- save 100 bucks, be able to swap chip til 2020

- spend extra 100 bucks, best gaming performance.

 

keep in mind, if ur not running a crazy gpu, u might not notice a difference at all with either, except for the hotter 8700k thatll also rob ya 100 bucks more.

both options leave you with enough cash for a good board I guess.

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X Wraith Boxed + MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC + Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition = 496 euro's   AMD Ryzen 5 2600X Wraith Boxed + MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC + Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition = 384,65 euro's

Intel Core i5-9600K Boxed + Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite + (already have the hyper 212 evo (non black edition)       = 455,50 euro's

 

On 1/16/2019 at 5:38 AM, Chris V said:

although we all love to get max fps if possible, if ur say... at 1440p, below a 2080 gpu wise and wanna make a good purchase, just go with the 2700x.

at least in austrian amazon its 320€ which is just as much as the 8700 non k. if u really want "the" gaming chip then go with the 8700k and oc it. whichll run you about 420€ ish I guess. so u just gotta decide:

- save 100 bucks, be able to swap chip til 2020

- spend extra 100 bucks, best gaming performance.

 

keep in mind, if ur not running a crazy gpu, u might not notice a difference at all with either, except for the hotter 8700k thatll also rob ya 100 bucks more.

both options leave you with enough cash for a good board I guess.

if i wanted to go with an i7 8700k than well that would go way up higher.

 

Intel Core i7-8700K Boxed + Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite + (already have the hyper 212 evo (non black edition)   = 619 euro's

[Chris V]

16 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

if i wanted to go with an i7 8700k than well that would go way up higher.

 

Intel Core i7-8700K Boxed + Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Elite + (already have the hyper 212 evo (non black edition)   = 619 euro's

oh the pricing is really different. the chip can be found about 60 € cheaper here.

since you already have proper cooling Id be tempted to say go for the 9600k then.

 

Do you perform any other tasks apart from gaming on this machine? what resolution are you playing at?

[hollyh88]

4 minutes ago, Chris V said:

oh the pricing is really different. the chip can be found about 60 € cheaper here.

since you already have proper cooling Id be tempted to say go for the 9600k then.

 

Do you perform any other tasks apart from gaming on this machine? what resolution are you playing at?

i mostly do gaming but as of late i also have to do some tasks with virtual machines for work. 
so more cores and threads would be a good thing. thats why i was thinking about the 2700x or 2600x but since i also game it's kinda not the best chip for games. so i'm in a bit of a pickle  and i game on 1440p (2560x1440). but am not afraid to downscale if i absolutely have to. 

[Chris V]

5 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

i mostly do gaming but as of late i also have to do some tasks with virtual machines for work. 
so more cores and threads would be a good thing. thats why i was thinking about the 2700x or 2600x but since i also game it's kinda not the best chip for games. so i'm in a bit of a pickle  and i game on 1440p (2560x1440). but am not afraid to downscale if i absolutely have to. 

alright, I mean I really get the problem you have, because its the same for me. Personally im rocking a 1070. (I speculate) Your GPU is about 25%(?how much actually?) faster, so I am not dealing with the same kind of "bottleneck" (If I oc my 6600k itll do just fine with a 1070).

 

Honestly though, I think when it comes to gaming it now all depends on the titles you play. If its Diablo, WoW, PoE, Hearts of Iron 4, ANNO etc then I guess Intel all the way. Youll notice intels advantage here in 1440p as well as 1080. If its other games more like storytelling etc then your 2070 will rock that at 1440p with either AMD or Intel.

 

its a tough one. I am really tempted to stating opinions or whatever but what you need to do is find out how the:

- 2600

- 2600x

- 2700

- 2700x

- 9600k

- 7700k (runs cooler, so your evo will get you decent OC; -> very strong gaming, also HT -> office work; and no need to get a new board; so you can spend 350 instead of anything from 450 to 600 and wait for what AMD has to offer in late 2019 - 2020; maybe you can find a used one?)

 

...perform game wise and VM wise. Then youll see what price to performance in each category is.

Thats what Id do if it should be a REAL decision based on facts . Usually when I get into a situation like this I either just leave it be (like I did with deciding to stick with the 6600k) or I just buy "the best" because Id rather not spend that time making up my mind haha. Its not smart though.

 

Spend 2-3 hours on an excel sheet comparing each chip game and work wise.

#excelSheets=life

[X_X]

3 hours ago, LukeSavenije said:

yeah... the leaks

and more leaks

and more leaks

all seem too good to be true to me.

Personally I wouldn't say too good, where are those 6GHz clocks? We already had 5GHz with a mobile CPU from over 10 years ago. :/ Still I like what I am seeing. Even Zhaoxin have boosted their 8 core processors from 1.8GHz to 3GHz. Who knows, maybe by next year they too will be beating Intel.

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, X_X said:

Personally I wouldn't say too good, where are those 6GHz clocks? We already had 5GHz with a mobile CPU from over 10 years ago. Still I like what I am seeing. Even Zhaoxin have boosted their 8 core processors from 1.8GHz to 3GHz. Who knows, maybe by next year they too will be beating Intel.

how would I say this...

 

or they aren't true, or they seem too fx-like to me. Way higher overclocks, way more cores, and only a node change... it just seems too good to be true to me. but we'll see in May, the cinebench demo looked pretty good on it's own

[hollyh88]

On 1/16/2019 at 6:41 AM, Chris V said:

-snip-

thats the thing tho, you have a processor that isnt locked so you will do a bit more fine. But when games do move to a more core more thread type then it will start being an issue. And i dont really play those games. i play more of the heavy titles. and only truly some indie's. 

heavy ones like : 
battlefield 5
skyrim se (heavily modded)
assassins creed oddysey
frostpunk
the witcher 3

semi heavy ones where frames matter:
csgo

and indie's like
oxygen not included or stardew so those arent very intensive.
well unless you really get allot of duplicans in oxygen not included. and have a lot of machinery going on.

but i will also be playing new titles such as:
metro exodus
dying light 2
maybe anthem.. depends if it is good or not.
the outer worlds

or if the teasers were right.. borderlands 3. 

but like you and me are thinking, amd chips like the 2700x and the 2600x arent doing poorly in games. they could give me easily 60 fps at 1440p with high settings or ultra. 
and i do get that intel has the best of the best gaming wise but they have a worse core count and a way higher costs, because if i would want a cpu that can do both ill easily pay upwards intotal of 600/800 euro's for an i7 and a good motherboard. 

 

On 1/16/2019 at 7:01 AM, X_X said:

Personally I wouldn't say too good, where are those 6GHz clocks? We already had 5GHz with a mobile CPU from over 10 years ago. Still I like what I am seeing. Even Zhaoxin have boosted their 8 core processors from 1.8GHz to 3GHz. Who knows, maybe by next year they too will be beating Intel.

thats not what i made this discussion post for  

 

On 1/16/2019 at 7:03 AM, LukeSavenije said:

how would I say this...

 

or they aren't true, or they seem too fx-like to me. Way higher overclocks, way more cores, and only a node change... it just seems too good to be true to me. but we'll see in May, the cinebench demo looked pretty good on it's own

if those leaks do end up being true than yeah those ryzen 3000 would be a pretty good choice. but that is way later. and i can think of getting those when the time comes around. right now i rather spend my money on something that exists  

[LukeSavenije]

Just now, hollyh88 said:

if those leaks do end up being true than yeah those ryzen 3000 would be a pretty good choice. but that is way later. and i can think of getting those when the time comes around. right now i rather spend my money on something that exists  

2600+a overkill mobo maybe? than you can just swap in a zen2 chip when the time comes...

[hollyh88]

11 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

2600+a overkill mobo maybe? than you can just swap in a zen2 chip when the time comes...

which mobo would be the best though? as you can see im thinking about this one for a 2600x/2700x : MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC its a link so you can click on it and see which one i mean. 

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

which mobo would be the best though? as you can see im thinking about this one for a 2600x/2700x : MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC its a link so you can click on it and see which one i mean. 

not a bad choise... but there are cheaper/better alternatives. what would be your budget and preferences on it?

[hollyh88]

16 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

not a bad choise... but there are cheaper/better alternatives. what would be your budget and preferences on it?

well my budget is around 600 but if i could use allot less i wouldnt mind  and that together with the 2600x + cooler is around 384,65 euros

 

[LukeSavenije]

3 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

well my budget is around 600 but if i could use allot less i wouldnt mind  and that together with the 2600x + cooler is around 384,65 euros

 

keep in mind, this motherboard is overkill for even a 2700x, but I just wanted to show you what you could do to futureproof to zen2

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	€157.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler	€29.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	ASRock - X470 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard	€217.80 @ Alza
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	€107.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€513.59
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-16 14:53 CET+0100

 

[hollyh88]

58 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

keep in mind, this motherboard is overkill for even a 2700x, but I just wanted to show you what you could do to futureproof to zen2

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	€157.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler	€29.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	ASRock - X470 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard	€217.80 @ Alza
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	€107.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€513.59
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-16 14:53 CET+0100

 

if i were to change the motherboard that i had for yours i would pay € 495,69 
384,65 euros with the board that i had before. thats another 110 euro's above it. 

would that board really help much more? ive seen a video of i believe.. bitwit or hardware unboxed one of those 2 that looked into whether a b450 or x 470 really mattered in the overclocking scheme. (it didnt) maybe a little but a little for 110 more euros?  

[LukeSavenije]

5 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

if i were to change the motherboard that i had for yours i would pay € 495,69 
384,65 euros with the board that i had before. thats another 110 euro's above it. 

would that board really help much more? ive seen a video of i believe.. bitwit or hardware unboxed one of those 2 that looked into whether a b450 or x 470 really mattered in the overclocking scheme. (it didnt) maybe a little but a little for 110 more euros?  

you could also just do this and get a new mobo if needed if you are going to upgrade. this is a good example (btw, fatal1ty is cheaper here)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	€157.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler	€29.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	ASRock - Fatal1ty B450 GAMING K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	€94.49 @ Mindfactory
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	€107.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€390.28
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-16 15:59 CET+0100

 

[hollyh88]

8 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

you could also just do this and get a new mobo if needed if you are going to upgrade. this is a good example (btw, fatal1ty is cheaper here)

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor	€157.90 @ Alternate
CPU Cooler	ARCTIC - Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler	€29.99 @ Amazon Deutschland
Motherboard	ASRock - Fatal1ty B450 GAMING K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard	€94.49 @ Mindfactory
Memory	Corsair - Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	€107.90 @ Amazon Deutschland
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	€390.28
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-01-16 15:59 CET+0100

 

 

looked a bit into that board and it seems to be having some issues. compared to the one i mentioned. aka the b450 gaming pro carbon from msi. that would bump the price down to 340,65 from 384,65 but i dont see a huge problem in spending 40 more for the way more flushed out and better protected b450 carbon 

[LukeSavenije]

4 minutes ago, hollyh88 said:

 

looked a bit into that board and it seems to be having some issues. compared to the one i mentioned. aka the b450 gaming pro carbon from msi. that would bump the price down to 340,65 from 384,65 but i dont see a huge problem in spending 40 more for the way more flushed out and better protected b450 carbon 

well... it's your choise. both are good boards. but take a look at the tomahawk too, same vrms

[hollyh88]

1 hour ago, LukeSavenije said:

well... it's your choise. both are good boards. but take a look at the tomahawk too, same vrms

i think im going to stick with the mother board i mentioned. the Tomahawk seems to have some audio issues. and only 1 m.2 slot 

but now the question remains would i see an increase in fps with the 2600x/2700x or would my fps stay the same as i have with my now i5 7600 (none k)

[LukeSavenije]

1 minute ago, hollyh88 said:

i think im going to stick with the mother board i mentioned. the Tomahawk seems to have some audio issues. and only 1 m.2 and 1 PCIe 16x. 

but now the question remains would i see an increase in fps with the 2600x/2700x or would my fps stay the same as i have with my now i5 7600 (none k)

in more multicore heavy games they will increase, in more single core oriented games it might go down a little

 

btw, you see I'm using a pro carbon series board too?

Edited January 16, 2019 by LukeSavenije

[hollyh88]

10 minutes ago, LukeSavenije said:

in more multicore heavy games they will increase, in more single core oriented games it might go down a little

 

btw, you see I'm using a pro carbon series board too?

haha no I didn't see it. but is that the same one? but then the Intel version? how do you like it? 

and I would think that battlefield or ac or open world games are very CPU intensive so those would benefit from a ryzen 5 2600x more than my 4 core 4 processor, right? 

but then again.. mine will only do 3.9 on all cores while you can get 4.1/4.2 or even 4.3 dependent on luck with a ryzen 2600x or 2700x. so they would be better right?