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When your "spaceship" look like a missile made of aluminum foil... It raises some questions.

 

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1 hour ago, Sauron said:

Hmmm... I wonder how they'll store enough fuel to make it all the way to mars and, more importantly, back. The Saturn V was over twice as tall and still had barely enough fuel to make it to the moon and back, and that's without 95% of the original rocket. I'm sure rocket technology and efficiency is much better now, but still...

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The picture is just the actual ship, not the booster. Heres a comparison of the size with the booster. 


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Just now, Clanscorpia said:

The picture is just the actual ship, not the booster. Heres a comparison of the size with the booster. 

Ohhhh that makes sense... so the SV will no longer be the tallest rocket in history?


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9 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Ohhhh that makes sense... so the SV will no longer be the tallest rocket in history?

Once the BFR/Starship is constructed it wont be


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3 hours ago, Sauron said:

Hmmm... I wonder how they'll store enough fuel to make it all the way to mars and, more importantly, back. The Saturn V was over twice as tall and still had barely enough fuel to make it to the moon and back, and that's without 95% of the original rocket. I'm sure rocket technology and efficiency is much better now, but still...

they will refuel it in orbit using space tankers, to give you an idea: ( it is the very old design)

 

 

What is spectacular about this is not about the dimensions (😜) but about the fact that is going to be fully reusable, planned launch cost is around 6-7 milions/ launch for 100 tons paiload. the shuttle did cost 500 milions for 30 tons. When it will fly, and the economy of scale will kick in, this rocket will change humanity in way we can't even immagine. I dare to say that in the distant future this might be recognised as another " year 0" in history

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1 minute ago, Flavio hc 16 said:

When it will fly, and the economy of scale will kick in, this rocket will change humanity in way we can't even immagine. I dare to say that in the distant future this might be recognised as another " year 0" in history

Well, as much as I would hope so, before we have anything resembling "economy of scale" with interplanetary rockets, this specific one will probably be long obsolete.


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Just now, Sauron said:

Well, as much as I would hope so, before we have anything resembling "economy of scale" with interplanetary rockets, this specific one will probably be long obsolete.

consider that with falcon 9 the economy of scale is already lowering their building cost a ton ( falcon 9 cost: 30 milions for 20 tons to orbit, delta 4 heave 400 milions for 30 tons of payload)

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Just now, Flavio hc 16 said:

consider that with falcon 9 the economy of scale is already lowering their building cost a ton ( falcon 9 cost: 30 milions for 20 tons to orbit, delta 4 heave 400 milions for 30 tons of payload)

Launching satellites has been commonplace for decades, interplanetary flight... not so much.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

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-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Sauron said:

Launching satellites has been commonplace for decades, interplanetary flight... not so much.

this will be a multipurpose vehicle, and the delta 4, even though is an older rocket, still cost 400 milions, and the others are not that far in cost/kg to orbit. ANd the cost per launch is still 7 milions for 100 tons, it means 70$/ kg, it means that for 5k you can go to orbit and get back, right now you pay around 50 milions for that.

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Looks like a paper towel tube wrapped in strips of silver duct tape.

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Not much longer until a bunch of idiots are sent to certain death just to stroke that rich dipshit ego.

6 hours ago, Clanscorpia said:

Heres a comparison of the size with the booster.

The Big Fucking Rocket is the coolest looking one there. Space X lost out on style points.


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Maybe it's functional, but nothing will top Space Shuttles. Those things still look mean and badass with their iconic shape in black and white. It looks like something from future even today. But all the rockets we've gone back to look like something that escaped from early 1970's... Oh well.

 

Also, Space Shuttles aren't that tiny... I mean, look how tiny people are next to it and it's at an angle which makes it look smaller... As for the sheer size, I think Saturn V rockets still take the crown. Those were some insanely huge rockets.

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22 minutes ago, RejZoR said:

Maybe it's functional, but nothing will top Space Shuttles. Those things still look mean and badass with their iconic shape in black and white. It looks like something from future even today. But all the rockets we've gone back to look like something that escaped from early 1970's... Oh well.

 

Also, Space Shuttles aren't that tiny... I mean, look how tiny people are next to it and it's at an angle which makes it look smaller... As for the sheer size, I think Saturn V rockets still take the crown. Those were some insanely huge rockets.

You're right, the space shuttle will always be my favourite spacecraft! Really a shame there weren't more spaceplanes.

I think it's crazy though how different the BFR looks compared to everything else today. You always have this standard diameter, once you reach that you put on boosters, or in case of delta heavy, two more versions of it and that's about thecraziest it gets. The BFR is just this giant hunk of rocket tube and it looks so different and even a little alien imo :D 


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17 hours ago, Sauron said:

Hmmm... I wonder how they'll store enough fuel to make it all the way to mars and, more importantly, back. The Saturn V was over twice as tall and still had barely enough fuel to make it to the moon and back, and that's without 95% of the original rocket. I'm sure rocket technology and efficiency is much better now, but still...

They won't. This is not a Mars rocket. It's not technically a rocket. It's a test landing craft.

 

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Sorry. I'm well fed up of people going "but how" and the answer being "use your eyes and see the answer". I've like... I am livid right now... LIVID. People no longer care about learning or facts. It's all about guesswork. Guessing every little or big thing. "That rocket cannot fly, it's got no wings" or "That rocket cannot fly, it's too small"... and it may not even be flying (early on, we could have just been looking at a test build to find the right materials/welding team XD ).

Worse, PC/tech/internet/phones and even plain and simple normal things is just the same. I've had months of people yelling at me "but that cannot be done", for me to pass the bit of paper/do the thing they yelled about. I don't get people, as somehow I'm the bad one for getting it done, and not yelling back in their face. /end rant.

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5 hours ago, TechyBen said:

They won't. This is not a Mars rocket. It's not technically a rocket. It's a test landing craft.

 

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Sorry. I'm well fed up of people going "but how" and the answer being "use your eyes and see the answer". I've like... I am livid right now... LIVID. People no longer care about learning or facts. It's all about guesswork. Guessing every little or big thing. "That rocket cannot fly, it's got no wings" or "That rocket cannot fly, it's too small"... and it may not even be flying (early on, we could have just been looking at a test build to find the right materials/welding team XD ).

Worse, PC/tech/internet/phones and even plain and simple normal things is just the same. I've had months of people yelling at me "but that cannot be done", for me to pass the bit of paper/do the thing they yelled about. I don't get people, as somehow I'm the bad one for getting it done, and not yelling back in their face. /end rant.

Well, the OP seemed to imply it was intended to go to mars...

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In all seriousness, this thing is supposed to make it around the moon and back and all the way to mars.

and it didn't mention the massive booster it would be strapped on for launch - neither does the linked source. Sure, I could probably have found out the details by myself if I looked hard enough, but it's faster to see if someone more informed than me can clarify my doubts. It's a forum after all.

 

Besides, I'm sure SpaceX engineers know if something can or cannot fly even without my help... I was wondering more out of curiosity than anything else.


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-Lenovo Thinkpad X220 - [8/10]

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A durable and reliable machine that is relatively lightweight, has all the hardware it needs to never feel sluggish and has a great IPS matte screen. Downsides are mostly due to its age, most notably the screen resolution of 1366x768 and usb 2.0 ports.

 

-Apple Macbook (2015) - [Garbage -/10]

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From my perspective, this product has no redeeming factors given its price and the competition. It is underpowered, overpriced, impractical due to its single port and is made redundant even by Apple's own iPad pro line.

 

-OnePlus X - [7/10]

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A good phone for the price. It does everything I (and most people) need without being sluggish and has no particularly bad flaws. The lack of recent software updates and relatively barebones feature kit (most notably the lack of 5GHz wifi, biometric sensors and backlight for the capacitive buttons) prevent it from being exceptional.

 

-Microsoft Surface Book 2 - [Garbage - -/10]

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Overpriced and rushed, offers nothing notable compared to the competition, doesn't come with an adequate charger despite the premium price. Worse than the Macbook for not even offering the small plus sides of having macOS. Buy a Razer Blade if you want high performance in a (relatively) light package.

 

-Intel Core i7 2600/k - [9/10]

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Quite possibly Intel's best product launch ever. It had all the bleeding edge features of the time, it came with a very significant performance improvement over its predecessor and it had a soldered heatspreader, allowing for efficient cooling and great overclocking. Even the "locked" version could be overclocked through the multiplier within (quite reasonable) limits.

 

-Apple iPad Pro - [5/10]

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A pretty good product, sunk by its price (plus the extra cost of the physical keyboard and the pencil). Buy it if you don't mind the Apple tax and are looking for a very light office machine with an excellent digitizer. Particularly good for rich students. Bad for cheap tinkerers like myself.

 

 

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Well, the OP seemed to imply it was intended to go to mars...

The design is. That actual one is not. But again, facts and learning vs guesswork and assumption. I see headlines and shortened stories all the time and ask "wait a second, did they miss an important thing" 99% of the time they did. ;)

 

Yeah, so it's not aimed at you. You seemed to ask with the right motive. Just get lots of people asking, and not wanting the answer. :/

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How is this company still around? Linus was talking about this game 7 years ago. It's still not out yet. It's like a Ponzi Scheme. Except people already know they aren't going to see their money back. 

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20 hours ago, Flavio hc 16 said:

this will be a multipurpose vehicle, and the delta 4, even though is an older rocket, still cost 400 milions, and the others are not that far in cost/kg to orbit. ANd the cost per launch is still 7 milions for 100 tons, it means 70$/ kg, it means that for 5k you can go to orbit and get back, right now you pay around 50 milions for that.

I don't think that's how the costs work. It's likely not a linear equation and would cost quite a bit more than 5k. The 2 biggest forces on a rocket are weight and friction. To imply that the cost is only a function of weight is simply wrong. 

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1 hour ago, corsairian said:

How is this company still around? Linus was talking about this game 7 years ago. It's still not out yet. It's like a Ponzi Scheme. Except people already know they aren't going to see their money back. 

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1 hour ago, corsairian said:

How is this company still around? Linus was talking about this game 7 years ago. It's still not out yet. It's like a Ponzi Scheme. Except people already know they aren't going to see their money back. 

Lol. This isn’t a game. It’s a test rocket SpaceX built. Star Citizen is the game and is progressing. 


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