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Posted · Original PosterOP

Hello guys,

 

Just an enquiry, do you guys think after the teasers and so from AMD keynote at CES2019 (namely that of the i9-9900k vs Zzen 2 cinebench for example) that AMD is a platform worth investing to for pure gaming builds or do you feel Intel is still superior for these sort of builds? I know at this moment in time Zen 2 performance/specs is just speculation until the release of more information over the next few months as we approach their release in "middle of 2019" but this might be worth discussing for those people in the community who are looking to make pure game builds and might be wondering whether to go AMD or intel.

 


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The purpose of AMD's existence is to alternate Intel prices for gamers!


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I would say that even since Ryzen 2nd gen, they've been good for pure gaming although they really shine at other things which are more compute focussed.


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Just now, AluminiumTech said:

I would say that even since Ryzen 2nd gen, they've been good for pure gaming although they really shine at other things which are more compute focussed.

I agree.

 

I only ask because I have a few friends who want to get into PC gaming and are unsure of which to go for. I've always valued the fact Ryzen can do gaming and productivity relatively well compared to Intel (except Adobe for example) but the fact Intel could pull more FPS and top tier Intel CPUs (i7/i9) didn't bottleneck RTX 2080(Ti) made me believe that Intel were better suited for pure gaming builds. But now with Zen 2 coming I am wondering if for those guys it might be worth investing into AMD mobos and prep for the arrival of Zen 2 or just stick to the Intel route; which is limited for future upgrades.


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ig you have a budget less than 1200-1400$ there is no reason to buy intel at this point in time. 

 

the CES comparison is early-mid silicon vs final silicon. and we have reason to believe final Zen 2 will have up to 16 cores. 

 

AMD is a good plattform to invest in terms of upgrades, but also cost. 

 

once you go above 1400$ there is not good reason to buy AMD for pure gaming builds at this moment (well exception is pure e-sports builds but even then)

 

we will have too see how Zen 2 turns out, but it is looking good so far. Intel is still king of Gaming and some adobe premiere(that take advantage of the iGPU)

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8 minutes ago, narrdarr said:

This has got to be dumbest thing I have heard in a while.

Why? Are you a red team fan? xD


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3 minutes ago, xandredu said:

I agree.

 

I only ask because I have a few friends who want to get into PC gaming and are unsure of which to go for. I've always valued the fact Ryzen can do gaming and productivity relatively well compared to Intel (except Adobe for example) but the fact Intel could pull more FPS and top tier Intel CPUs (i7/i9) didn't bottleneck RTX 2080(Ti) made me believe that Intel were better suited for pure gaming builds. But now with Zen 2 coming I am wondering if for those guys it might be worth investing into AMD mobos and prep for the arrival of Zen 2 or just stick to the Intel route; which is limited for future upgrades.

Yeah, I think Zen2 will show that AMD can have CPUs with awesome gaming performance.

 

Back to earlier about 2nd gen Ryzen being good for pure gaming,  I would say even 1st gen Ryzen is good for that so long as you don't plan on gaming at 144Hz or a similar high refresh rate.


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10 minutes ago, xandredu said:

top tier Intel CPUs (i7/i9) didn't bottleneck RTX 2080(Ti)

there is always a bottleneck, also i wouldnt expect owners of 2080(Ti) to play on 1080p anyway


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5 minutes ago, Constantin said:

Why? Are you a red team fan? xD

no i actually my system is an i5-6500 @4.3ghz , a gtx 1080, and 16gb of ram.

 

but intel originally struggled against amd and mircosoft back in the day. and we are starting to see it again.

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49 minutes ago, xandredu said:

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depends if you play 120/144hz on AAA games, zen 1 and zen + fell a bit short, but zen 2 looks to come close at the very least, if not a bit faster than intel, we'll see closer to launch.


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I think there are two separate considerations.

 

If you want the best of the best, you'd probably go Intel+nvidia.

 

If you want a good level of gaming, AMD+AMD is viable for the majority of scenarios. With a Ryzen 2000 desktop CPU + Vega and FreeSync display, I think you'll be good for 1440p at high refresh, just don't expect to cap at 144fps except for older/basic games with settings turned down. Might want to wait for the VII if you want 4k60+.


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i say this as an owner of a high spec intel PC...

 

AMD is absolutely worth considering for gaming. It's price:performance ratio is fantastic. not everybody wants to spend $5000 on the best of the best of the best and if you take value for money into consideration AMD is fantastic.

 

Think of it this way, if a $1000 AMD PC can get you 100fps in your favourite game and a $2000 Intel PC can get you 110fps... what would you spend your money on? is the 100% cost increase worth the 10% performance boost? [Disclaimer, purely hypothetical numbers for the sake of making a point]

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1 hour ago, AluminiumTech said:

Yeah, I think Zen2 will show that AMD can have CPUs with awesome gaming performance.

 

Back to earlier about 2nd gen Ryzen being good for pure gaming,  I would say even 1st gen Ryzen is good for that so long as you don't plan on gaming at 144Hz or a similar high refresh rate.

Agreed and by referring to investing the AMD platform for gaming I also mean investing into Ryzen 3000 when it comes out which would (hopefully, although we have no specs) be on par, at least, with Intel CPU gaming performance.

 

I think 2nd gen Ryzen especially for the price is a good bridge to get you to Zen 2 with the infrastructure you need to just remove the Zen+ chip and replace it with the Zen 2 chip.


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@xandredu new chipset is coming with zen2 so im not sure if its a good idea to get zen+ with older chipset now

 

waiting a bit should mean price coming down for both older gen cpu and the motherboards


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2 hours ago, xandredu said:

Just an enquiry, do you guys think after the teasers and so from AMD keynote at CES2019 (namely that of the i9-9900k vs Zzen 2 cinebench for example) that AMD is a platform worth investing to for pure gaming builds or do you feel Intel is still superior for these sort of builds?

I'm sure I'm going to get crap for saying this again, but the information given by AMD at CES isn't enough to make any buying decisions.  It's not enough for me to form an opinion on whether it's going to be good or not either.

Right now an AMD 2700X is just fine for gaming especially at 1440p, but if you want the highest possible frame rates, for now, intel has an edge. This is based not on opinion, but on objective data from many reviews.  Unfortunately intel performance CPU's are more expensive than AMD's.

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2 hours ago, Neftex said:

@xandredu new chipset is coming with zen2 so im not sure if its a good idea to get zen+ with older chipset now

 

waiting a bit should mean price coming down for both older gen cpu and the motherboards

True but I'm sure release date won't be for another ~6 months and for people who want to build something now that's not feasible. Plus the chipset changes from X370 to X470 were negligible from what I heard apart from support for storeMI which not many consumers are looking to use. Sure, Zen 2 will bring support for PCIE4 but anandtech already spoke about the chance of X470 high tier boards being possibly capable of supporting PCIE4 with firmware updates - and even then no GPU currently saturates PCIE3 let alone justifies the need for PCIE4. This is just an opinion and if I've missed or incorrectly stated something please feel free to correct me. My point is with the announcement of Zen 2 for middle of 2019 and X570 chipset mobos along with it, prices for current mobos and Zen+ CPUs will drop and the motherboards now should be capable of supporting Zen 2 especially higher end boards like C7H.


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