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Is this $11.19 Windows 10 Pro a legit fully-featured, uncompromised copy ?

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3 hours ago, valdyrgramr said:

 

If you read the whole conversation I stated that in the US it is illegal, but it isn't illegal in the EU.  So, in the US it isn't about morals.  US judges have ruled that it is a contract here dating all the way back to 1993.  Also, I forgot the name of the law, but there is a law in the US that makes it easier for the EULA creator to enforce said EULA in a court against a buyer.  But, even then that takes a lot of time and money.  So, MS and others just deactivate the key at most.  It's unusual for them to take a buyer to court. 

Edit, Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act is the name of the law.  If a state has this in place, then yes, MS can actually take a buyer to court if they chose to in the US and win.  Two states known for having this is Maryland and Virginia.  I live in Maryland, so I can't exactly buy these OEM keys and hope to beat MS in a court of law.  A state doesn't exactly need to have them in place for MS to take you to court, but it makes it easier for MS or another EULA creator/holder to win a case against you.

You are wrong - you can in fact purchase legally that key.  There is nothing you as a Buyer are doing Illegally, buying, possessing, applying, and using that Key.  In UCITA, or any other law.  Ive read the Wiki links, Ive read lawyers discuss this - nothing can come back to me lol.  This isn't Pot, Cocaine, Heroin, or peyote.  This is a Key to Activate Software.  Nothing illegal to see here. 


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@valdyrgramr you seem to REALLY think this is pirating or something.  This isn't pirating.

 

This is me purchasing a Key which is legal to have in my possession and use.  I buy Ebay key.  I go DIRECTLY to Microsoft website to download Windows 10 ISO.  It prompts me for the KEY to have access to the ISO.  I put in Key, gives me ISO. 

 

Nothing illegal to see here bro.  Notta, nothing, zilch. 

 

I am thinking it may be worth the $5 bucks to go buy a key and video myself doing all this and have you show me where a law was broken.  My wife would be more upset at me wasting the time so I wont do it.


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48 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

You are wrong - you can in fact purchase legally that key.  There is nothing you as a Buyer are doing Illegally, buying, possessing, applying, and using that Key.  In UCITA, or any other law.  Ive read the Wiki links, Ive read lawyers discuss this - nothing can come back to me lol.  This isn't Pot, Cocaine, Heroin, or peyote.  This is a Key to Activate Software.  Nothing illegal to see here. 

No, I am not wrong the judges have ruled it is a contract dating back to 1993.  Said law makes an EULA easier for MS to enforce from there on a legal level.  Outside of those states, it depends on the ruling of the court rather you like it or not.  It is a breach of contract.  The US doesn't share the EU's consumer protection laws, but you assume it does because a tech tuber, not a lawyer, told you so.  Ignorance of the law does not hold up in court.


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11 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

No, I am not wrong the judges have ruled it is a contract dating back to 1993.  Said law makes an EULA easier for MS to enforce from there on a legal level.  Outside of those states, it depends on the ruling of the court rather you like it or not.  It is a breach of contract.  The US doesn't share the EU's consumer protection laws, but you assume it does because a tech tuber, not a lawyer, told you so.  Ignorance of the law does not hold up in court.

The only one ignorant of the law isn't me here.  I can only signal my knowledge but I work with Law Enforcement on a daily basis.  Im a Combatives Instructor for the Jefferson City HW Patrol, and local PD from STL to Warrenton MO.

 

How is Microsoft Going to take me to Court for buying a Key off Ebay?  And applying said Key on their website?  Then downloading the ISO allowed by inputting a Key?  Then activating the OS with said Key? 

 

They aren't, and cannot.  The reason they CANNOT - is because I have broken no laws.  No digital laws, no copyright laws, no consumer laws, no Corporate protection laws. No EULA, no...nothing.

 

You need to REALLY check your angle on this. 


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I think you are just stuck on my statement of Contract and EULA aren't the same thing @valdyrgramr - get past that - its okay if Im wrong but a EULA isn't signed and only our Government says the digital key press is the same thing.  They have to prove I pressed AGREE and not someone else.  Good fucking luck with that.  So, in the end - I still haven't violated a single law, a single anything, by purchasing this key off Ebay and applying it to a Windows 10 ISO.  They don't WANT me to, but that doesn't make it illegal for me to do so (NO MATTER WHAT YOU WANT IT TO BE)


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11 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

The only one ignorant of the law isn't me here.  I can only signal my knowledge but I work with Law Enforcement on a daily basis.  Im a Combatives Instructor for the Jefferson City HW Patrol, and local PD from STL to Warrenton MO.

 

How is Microsoft Going to take me to Court for buying a Key off Ebay?  And applying said Key on their website?  Then downloading the ISO allowed by inputting a Key?  Then activating the OS with said Key? 

 

They aren't, and cannot.  The reason they CANNOT - is because I have broken no laws.  No digital laws, no copyright laws, no consumer laws, no Corporate protection laws. No EULA, no...nothing.

 

You need to REALLY check your angle on this. 

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That doesn't make you a lawyer, though.  Because that key is a license and not ownership of the product.  You do not own a copy, but rather are being handed a license to use the SW.  OEM keys are designed for companies like Dell that make laptops and pre-builts.  The person tied to the license is basically the person who bought that HW from Dell.  Selling the key is illegal in the US, but buying the key and tying it to hw that wasn't part of the OEM bit is also a breach of contract.  What the UCITA does is make it easier for MS to enforce this.  If a state did not pass the UCITA law then MS can challenge you in court, but it's left to a final ruling if you did anything wrong or not.  The law you broke is a breach of contract.  You also argued you never agreed to a contract, but another guy tried to argue that in a case over CAD.  Guess what?  He didn't win that case.  This isn't the EU where we have the consumer rights laws that you assume we do.


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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

That doesn't make you a lawyer, though.  Because that key is a license and not ownership of the product.  You do not own a copy, but rather are being handed a license to use the SW.  OEM keys are designed for companies like Dell that make laptops and pre-builts.  The person tied to the license is basically the person who bought that HW from Dell.  Selling the key is illegal in the US, but buying the key and tying it to hw you do not own is also a breach of contract.  What the UCITA does is make it easier for MS to enforce this.  If a state did not pass the UCITA law then MS can challenge you in court, but it's left to a final ruling if you did anything wrong or not.  The law you broke is a breach of contract.  You also argued you never agreed to a contract, but another guy tried to argue that in a case over CAD.  Guess what?  He didn't win that case.  This isn't the EU where we have the consumer rights laws that you assume we do.

I DONT HAVE TO BE A LAWYER.  Stop being scared of the Government and know what you can and cant do.


How I acquire a Windows 10 Key is...well...no ones business.  They are only tracked by...gasp...probably Microsoft only.  And if Microsoft finds a key it deems not able to be in my personal use possession (and can prove I shouldn't have it) - they can only blacklist the key.  You really don't get it.  I mean really.  This has already been discussed by more than me here.

 

You go ahead - keep paying retail or whatever it is you pay and feel morally superior to whoever you want to feel morally superior to.  I never will, never have, and will never be taken to court over this.  Nor...any other consumer.  Cause it doesn't happen.  You literally keep mentioning a Case but have given NO case.  You do realize these things are found via XXXX vs. Microsoft or some such nomenclature.  If you really want to scare me into believing you have a leg to stand on, present me with facts not garbled "Ive read this on the internet so its true"

 

I don't need to read something on the internet to understand when a Law is broken, and when I am the one breaking it.  Its actually quite easy to understand if you WANT to.


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Its not illegal for me to buy the key and apply it.  Its not illegal for me to not read the EULA and press ACCEPT when Im violating the EULA.  Its not illegal for me to continue to use the OS once I know its a illicitly gained key because the key isn't illegal - it was the type of transaction the seller made because of HIS CONTRACT with Microsoft.  Or whoever sold him those keys that got them from Microsoft.

 

The rest - doesn't impact me at all as the End User with this Key.  Get over yourself.


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1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

I DONT HAVE TO BE A LAWYER.  Stop being scared of the Government and know what you can and cant do.


How I acquire a Windows 10 Key is...well...no ones business.  They are only tracked by...gasp...probably Microsoft only.  And if Microsoft finds a key it deems not able to be in my personal use possession (and can prove I shouldn't have it) - they can only blacklist the key.  You really don't get it.  I mean really.  This has already been discussed by more than me here.

 

You go ahead - keep paying retail or whatever it is you pay and feel morally superior to whoever you want to feel morally superior to.  I never will, never have, and will never be taken to court over this.  Nor...any other consumer.  Cause it doesn't happen.  You literally keep mentioning a Case but have given NO case.  You do realize these things are found via XXXX vs. Microsoft or some such nomenclature.  If you really want to scare me into believing you have a leg to stand on, present me with facts not garbled "Ive read this on the internet so its true"

 

I don't need to read something on the internet to understand when a Law is broken, and when I am the one breaking it.  Its actually quite easy to understand if you WANT to.

Well, being a combat instructor doesn't seem to have informed you of specific laws.  Who said I was afraid of the government?  I'm an Odinist, we lack fear.  Your argument seems to be more structured around parroting tech tubers and people from the EU.  In UCITA based states it is easier for MS to enforce the contract, but much more difficult in states that lack you breaching the contract.  Are you an OEM?  Do you own the original HW that key was meant for? No?  Then buy using the key on a system you don't own you are breaching a contract and breaking the law.  As I've said before, it's more likely for them to just deactivate the key, but that doesn't mean you aren't breaking the law.  My point isn't to scare you, but you're the one taking it way too personally.  I don't know why you're bringing fear and anger into this.   I think you need to understand that just because you break a law doesn't mean you're automatically going to jail or lose a case.  Sure, you might have broken the law, but a good enough lawyer an get you off.  A judge can decide, in a state that hasn't passed the UCITA law, that MS can't force you to pay up or for the amount they're asking.  Again, it's easier for MS to just deactivate the license in the first place than doing anything further towards a buyer.


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8 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Its not illegal for me to buy the key and apply it.  Its not illegal for me to not read the EULA and press ACCEPT when Im violating the EULA.  Its not illegal for me to continue to use the OS once I know its a illicitly gained key because the key isn't illegal - it was the type of transaction the seller made because of HIS CONTRACT with Microsoft.  Or whoever sold him those keys that got them from Microsoft.

 

The rest - doesn't impact me at all as the End User with this Key.  Get over yourself.

Again making it personal and still spamming I see.  I'd like you to see the case where that guy resold keys, didn't press accept, and still, he lost the case.  GG


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4 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Well, being a combat instructor doesn't seem to have informed you of specific laws.  Who said I was afraid of the government?  I'm an Odinist, we lack fear.  Your argument seems to be more structured around parroting tech tubers and people from the EU.  In UCITA based states it is easier for MS to enforce the contract, but much more difficult in states that lack you breaching the contract.  Are you an OEM?  Do you own the original HW that key was meant for? No?  Then buy using the key on a system you don't own you are breaching a contract and breaking the law.  As I've said before, it's more likely for them to just deactivate the key, but that doesn't mean you aren't breaking the law.  My point isn't to scare you, but you're the one taking it way too personally.  I don't know why you're bringing fear and anger into this.   I think you need to understand that just because you break a law doesn't mean you're automatically going to jail or lose a case.  Sure, you might have broken the law, but a good enough lawyer an get you off.  A judge can decide, in a state that hasn't passed the UCITA law, that MS can't force you to pay up or for the amount they're asking.  Again, it's easier for MS to just deactivate the license in the first place than doing anything further towards a buyer.

 

3 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Again making it personal and still spamming I see.  I'd like you to see the case where that guy resold keys, didn't press accept, and still, he lost the case.  GG

 

You do realize in the Windows 10 EULA if you put the system together you are now a System Builder?  So I am in fact an OEM I literally can make myself the OEM with...just 1 push of a piece of hardware in or out. 

 

Do you realize an OEM key is THEN TIED to the specific hardware you apply the Key to of that Windows 10 System?  Didn't think so.  Not tied to some Dell Proprietary thing you think Dell bought it for specifically by the way you are typing.  I can buy an OEM key from Amazon bro.  The key that is illegal for the seller to sell me is the one he contracted out from Windows to apply to OEM system builds of their/his own.  Selling them AFTER to me, is illegal for him to do.

 

My above espousing of understanding how laws work, is more closely related to the fact of having to teach Officers HOW to not get in trouble for hurting people.  Everything matters in these situations, and what matters is when and how.  When I bought the key, it wasn't illegal.  How I bought the key, wasn't illegal.  How I applied the key, wasn't illegal.  It was the fucking person selling the key that broke the law.  I mean..just go buy a fucking Amazon OEM key.  Google it.  Do you think its illegal now?

 

I have still not broken a single law, you are wrong.  No other way to dice it.

 

 

 

 


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@@valdyrgramr here go turn these major corporations in...they are selling OEM keys...single use keys...OMG.

 

https://www.amazon.com/OEM-Windows-Home-64-Bit-1-Pack/dp/B00ZSI7Y3U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547231201&sr=8-1&keywords=Windows+10+OEM+key

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832588491&Description=Windows 10 OEM key&cm_re=Windows_10_OEM_key-_-32-588-491-_-Product

 

Its not about the OEM key.  Its about how it was obtained under contract to not be sold to a Consumer like it is on Ebay.  Its not illegal for me, you...or anyone else.  Its the Seller who is doing things illegally.

 

Again, get over yourself.


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3 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

 

You do realize in the Windows 10 EULA if you put the system together you are now a System Builder?  So I am in fact an OEM I literally can make myself the OEM with...just 1 push of a piece of hardware in or out. 

 

Do you realize an OEM key is THEN TIED to the specific hardware you apply the Key to of that Windows 10 System?  Didn't think so.  Not tied to some Dell Proprietary thing you think Dell bought it for specifically by the way you are typing.  I can buy an OEM key from Amazon bro.  The key that is illegal for the seller to sell me is the one he contracted out from Windows to apply to OEM system builds of their/his own.  Selling them AFTER to me, is illegal for him to do.

 

My above espousing of understanding how laws work, is more closely related to the fact of having to teach Officers HOW to not get in trouble for hurting people.  Everything matters in these situations, and what matters is when and how.  When I bought the key, it wasn't illegal.  How I bought the key, wasn't illegal.  How I applied the key, wasn't illegal.  It was the fucking person selling the key that broke the law.  I mean..just go buy a fucking Amazon OEM key.  Google it.  Do you think its illegal now?

 

I have still not broken a single law, you are wrong.  No other way to dice it.

 

 

 

 

Yes, and in order to use the OEM key legally, you would have to get it from MS directly.  It doesn't legally transfer from the laptop Dell had built to the system you just built.  You bought a key being sold illegally off eBay and still breached the contract.  These are licenses, not a product you own.

That doesn't have anything to do with this kinda law, though.  That doesn't make you an expert on the laws we are talking about.  That would like me asking dental advice from a dermatologist.

Now, will MS take you to court over it?  Not likely at most they'd probably just deactivate it for reasons I have stated already.  Now, if they took you to court over this then you'd pretty much lose in a UCITA state, but in the states that haven't passed it, that's up to the judge's final ruling.


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Yes, and in order to use the OEM key legally, you would have to get it from MS directly.  It doesn't legally transfer from the laptop Dell had built to the system you just built.  You bought a key being sold illegally off eBay and still breached the contract.  These are licenses, not a product you own.

That doesn't have anything to do with this kinda law, though.  That doesn't make you an expert on the laws we are talking about.  That would like me asking dental advice from a dermatologist.

Now, will MS take you to court over it?  Not likely at most they'd probably just deactivate it for reasons I have stated already.  Now, if they took you to court over this then you'd pretty much lose in a UCITA state, but in the states that haven't passed it, that's up to the judge's final ruling.

 

WTF are you talking about. 

 

Go buy an OEM Key on Amazon.  Please stop you are sounding superiorly ignorant.

 

What transfer?  You really didn't read what I Typed lolololol. 

 

No contract Breach on my part, again, read.

 

Im right.  You are wrong.  At this point that's all Im going to continue to respond to you with.  Because anything else you are ignoring.


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7 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

@@valdyrgramr here go turn these major corporations in...they are selling OEM keys...single use keys...OMG.

 

https://www.amazon.com/OEM-Windows-Home-64-Bit-1-Pack/dp/B00ZSI7Y3U/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1547231201&sr=8-1&keywords=Windows+10+OEM+key

 

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832588491&Description=Windows 10 OEM key&cm_re=Windows_10_OEM_key-_-32-588-491-_-Product

 

Its not about the OEM key.  Its about how it was obtained under contract to not be sold to a Consumer like it is on Ebay.  Its not illegal for me, you...or anyone else.  Its the Seller who is doing things illegally.

 

Again, get over yourself.

I've been talking with MS about this, btw to see their exact viewpoint on the matter. 

The first 5 times I got basically "It's illegal, but the worst case scenario is the key stops working."

next guy, "That depends on the location of the person."

Then I talked to a guy who pretty much said we're both right and wrong.  Which I don't mind being wrong on some of my claims either, but you were wrong too. By the way, this guy was talking with the legal team about it.

It's illegal if you buy a key intended to abuse the system, and yes the EULA is a contract that can be enforced.  So, if the key you bought was meant for a prebuilt laptop/desktop, you use the voice activation to force the key to work/abuse the system, attempt to transfer the key, and so on then yes you are breaching the contract and can be sued.  However and this is where I was wrong, an OEM key itself is not illegal if you purchased/obtained it without abusing the system and activate it without abusing the system.  Also, just because Newegg and Amazon are selling it he said that doesn't mean there isn't an abuse of the system.  His final remark is another thing I've been saying too.  Worst case scenario for the buyer is that the key stops working.

1 minute ago, Tristerin said:

 

WTF are you talking about. 

 

Go buy an OEM Key on Amazon.  Please stop you are sounding superiorly ignorant.

 

What transfer?  You really didn't read what I Typed lolololol. 

 

No contract Breach on my part, again, read.

 

Im right.  You are wrong.  At this point that's all Im going to continue to respond to you with.  Because anything else you are ignoring.

Kinda hard to read everything when you keep spamming before I can even finish a response, and you seem to ignore things I have said while making this very personal.  Maybe you should get over yourself?  That's not really a good way to debate something it just makes you seem childish.  In the end, we were both right and wrong.


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5 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I've been talking with MS about this, btw to see their exact viewpoint on the matter. 

The first 5 times I got basically "It's illegal, but the worst case scenario is the key stops working."

next guy, "That depends on the location of the person."

Then I talked to a guy who pretty much said we're both right and wrong.  Which I don't mind being wrong on some of my claims either, but you were wrong too. By the way, this guy was talking with the legal team about it.

It's illegal if you buy a key intended to abuse the system, and yes the EULA is a contract that can be enforced.  So, if the key you bought was meant for a prebuilt laptop/desktop, you use the voice activation to force the key to work/abuse the system, attempt to transfer the key, and so on then yes you are breaching the contract and can be sued.  However and this is where I was wrong, an OEM key itself is not illegal if you purchased/obtained it without abusing the system and activate it without abusing the system.  Also, just because Newegg and Amazon are selling it he said that doesn't mean there isn't an abuse of the system.  His final remark is another thing I've been saying too.  Worst case scenario for the buyer is that the key stops working.

Kinda hard to read everything when you keep spamming before I can even finish a response, and you seem to ignore things I have said while making this very personal.  Maybe you should get over yourself?  That's not really a good way to debate something it just makes you seem childish.  In the end, we were both right and wrong.

 

Prove intent Microsoft.  You are wrong and I am right.  Microsoft isn't going to TELL YOU HOW to cheat the system.

 

If you believe Ive been personal - you need thicker skin.  This is text which is the only available modicum of communication.  If I said you were retarded that I could see construed as personal.

 

Bro, its okay - you literally had to go to Microsoft to realize you are wrong.  I am in no way wrong.  Microsoft tells you I am...because they don't want those on the fence or those who believe they are morally superior to understand...it doesn't have to be Microsofts way.

 

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11 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

Prove intent Microsoft.  You are wrong and I am right.  Microsoft isn't going to TELL YOU HOW to cheat the system.

 

If you believe Ive been personal - you need thicker skin.  This is text which is the only available modicum of communication.  If I said you were retarded that I could see construed as personal.

 

Bro, its okay - you literally had to go to Microsoft to realize you are wrong.  I am in no way wrong.  Microsoft tells you I am...because they don't want those on the fence or those who believe they are morally superior to understand...it doesn't have to be Microsofts way.

 

Im not wrong.

Ya, sorry I'm going to take the word of actual legal experts on the matter over a combat instructor on this legal matter, sorry.  You were right and wrong too rather you like it or not.  

Having to spam before I can even respond/losing your cool, telling me your irrelevant background, and yelling at me to get over myself over and over is indeed making it personal and childish.

Oh no, I did more fact checking on the matter and got facts from lawyers and the company!  How dare I!  I get this is pointless since you can't seem to admit that you were wrong in some regards too.  I'm just not going to argue further with a brick wall.


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4 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Ya, sorry I'm going to take the word of actual legal experts on the matter over a combat instructor on this legal matter, sorry.  You were right and wrong too rather you like it or not.  

Having to spam before I can even respond/losing your cool, telling me your irrelevant background, and yelling at me to get over myself over and over is indeed making it personal and childish.

Oh no, I did more fact checking on the matter and got facts from lawyers and the company!  How dare I!  I get this is pointless since you can't seem to admit that you were wrong in some regards too.  I'm just not going to argue further with a brick wall.

I am not wrong, I already told you that.  You didn't speak with a Lawyer, you didn't speak with a Lawyer from Microsoft.  You literally spoke to a Customer Service Representative.  Cool story bro.

 

You are childish for taking offense, here let me offend - sansorðinn

 

At least if you want me to be offensive, let me.

 

You are wrong, and I am right.  Like I said, that's the only response I can give you that is true, anything else you wont read anyhow.

 

 


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4 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I am not wrong, I already told you that.  You didn't speak with a Lawyer, you didn't speak with a Lawyer from Microsoft.  You literally spoke to a Customer Service Representative.  Cool story bro.

 

You are childish for taking offense, here let me offend - sansorðinn

 

At least if you want me to be offensive, let me.

 

You are wrong, and I am right.  Like I said, that's the only response I can give you that is true, anything else you wont read anyhow.

 

 

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You assumed I took offense.  Maybe if you weren't so spamming before I could respond you might have noticed that. But, I'm also not going to read through all the trailing spam you left after your original responses.  And, as I said we're both right and wrong.  Might as well leave it at this since you believe you can't be wrong.  Oh, and I didn't just talk to an agent you assumed I only did.  But, ya know what if I ever get arrested I won't talk to a lawyer because combat experts are the best legal experts.  They can't be wrong, and they know more than actual experts on legal matters.  See, I can be childish too.


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2 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

You assumed I took offense.  Maybe if you weren't so spamming before I could respond you might have noticed that. But, I'm also not going to read through all the trailing spam you left after your original responses.  And, as I said we're both right and wrong.  Might as well leave it at this since you believe you can't be wrong.  Oh, and I didn't just talk to an agent you assumed I only did.  But, ya know what if I ever get arrested I won't talk to a lawyer because combat experts are the best legal experts.  They can't be wrong, and they know more than actual experts on legal matters.  See, I can be childish too.

You call it spam.  You are offended.  Look at the time stamps.  I tagged you, I wasn't spamming, editing doesn't notify you.  Get over yourself.  Stop being a snowflake, Odinson.

 

If you aren't going to read everything then literally STFU.  You don't want to know clearly, then.  You just want to espouse what you believe without trying to educate yourself.  Being willfully ignorant is a choice.

 

We aren't both right/wrong.  Im right, you are wrong. 

 

Its not that I cant be wrong, its that I am not.

 

You think Im going to get arrested - that tells me EVERYTHING I need to know. 

 


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7 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

You call it spam.  You are offended.  Look at the time stamps.  I tagged you, I wasn't spamming, editing doesn't notify you.  Get over yourself.  Stop being a snowflake, Odinson.

 

If you aren't going to read everything then literally STFU.  You don't want to know clearly, then.  You just want to espouse what you believe without trying to educate yourself.  Being willfully ignorant is a choice.

 

We aren't both right/wrong.  Im right, you are wrong. 

 

Its not that I cant be wrong, its that I am not.

 

You think Im going to get arrested - that tells me EVERYTHING I need to know. 

 

Chill. Personal attacks are not permitted on this forum.

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2 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

You call it spam.  You are offended.  Look at the time stamps.  I tagged you, I wasn't spamming, editing doesn't notify you.  Get over yourself.  Stop being a snowflake, Odinson.

 

If you aren't going to read everything then literally STFU.  You don't want to know clearly, then.  You just want to espouse what you believe without trying to educate yourself.  Being willfully ignorant is a choice.

 

We aren't both right/wrong.  Im right, you are wrong. 

 

Its not that I cant be wrong, its that I am not.

 

You think Im going to get arrested - that tells me EVERYTHING I need to know. 

 

You originally said it wasn't a contract, but it has been ruled as a contract in a court of law in the US.  Sounds like you were wrong there.  Let's see, your one argument was correct that buying an OEM isn't automatically illegal hence where I was wrong.  Buying an OEM key intended for a laptop then attempting to transfer it to a system that you just built breaches the contract and is illegal.  I was right there, and you were wrong.  I can keep going back if you would like, but my point is we were both right and wrong in specific points of the argument.  

This is getting out of hand, and I don't believe we're going to agree.

One last thing, and my final response, I never said you were going to get arrested.  I, and MS, have said the worst that will happen is the key will stop working.  Just because something is illegal doesn't mean you're going to jail over it.  I think you took what I said about getting arrested out of context.  I said if I ever got arrested, and I didn't say for this exact thing.


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39 minutes ago, LinusTech said:

Chill. Personal attacks are not permitted on this forum.

 

Im REALLY glad the only thing @LinusTech has to say on this subject is Im being personal.  At least I know he understands how Keys work.

 

@valdyrgramr - on this subject, I wont be reading anything else you have to say.  You don't know what you are talking about.  I will respond to this thread anytime you post to ensure people who want to know, know that this isn't illegal.

 

 


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On 1/12/2019 at 1:20 AM, LinusTech said:

Chill. Personal attacks are not permitted on this forum.

 

On 1/12/2019 at 2:04 AM, Tristerin said:

 

Im REALLY glad the only thing @LinusTech has to say on this subject is Im being personal.  At least I know he understands how Keys work.

 

@valdyrgramr - on this subject, I wont be reading anything else you have to say.  You don't know what you are talking about.  I will respond to this thread anytime you post to ensure people who want to know, know that this isn't illegal.

 

 

 

On 1/12/2019 at 1:13 AM, Tristerin said:

You call it spam.  You are offended.  Look at the time stamps.  I tagged you, I wasn't spamming, editing doesn't notify you.  Get over yourself.  Stop being a snowflake, Odinson.

 

If you aren't going to read everything then literally STFU.  You don't want to know clearly, then.  You just want to espouse what you believe without trying to educate yourself.  Being willfully ignorant is a choice.

 

We aren't both right/wrong.  Im right, you are wrong. 

 

Its not that I cant be wrong, its that I am not.

 

You think Im going to get arrested - that tells me EVERYTHING I need to know. 

 

Wait what!!!! SRSLY guys??? I just returned here and my gosh I didn't expect my OP to bear this level of inter-aggression, shear complexity and extreme judiciary! Thanks for calming those folks down M'lord Linus 🙏. So the REAL ANSWER to this is that it is "SAFE TO BUY, USE AND RELY UPON WITHOUT ANY HASSLE"?

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