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Is this $11.19 Windows 10 Pro a legit fully-featured, uncompromised copy ?

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Posted · Original PosterOP
8 minutes ago, Shimejii said:

Most of these sites use unused keys and such, they generally work and are fine, and if you have issues they can get another key.

Okay so this is just the key. Where should I get the trial setup or whatever where I'm supposed to enter that key ?

Always used pirated.

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7 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

you may need to use phone activation, thats all

how'll that play out?

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They're OEM keys and technically illegal to use.


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16 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

They're OEM keys and technically illegal to use.

Lets be specific - its ILLEGAL for them to sell this OEM key.  Its perfectly legal for me to buy, and use an OEM key.  Their EULA means nothing.


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28 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Lets be specific - its ILLEGAL for them to sell this OEM key.  Its perfectly legal for me to buy, and use an OEM key.  Their EULA means nothing.

And, your key is more likely to also be revoked because it violates the EULA.


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3 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

And, your key is more likely to also be revoked because it violates the EULA.

 

Never in my life of doing this have I witnessed this, had this happen to me ($3 a piece on Ebay), happen to anyone I personally know, etc.  You can find random ghost stories on the interwebs of this but nothing tangible.  The only people having their keys revoked are either adding/removing hardware to many times (this is a 1 time hardware key, if people don't know that going into it...not anyones fault but their own) which happens to anyone with a legit key (see LTT videos) OEM or not.  Or they try to migrate it to another machine etc. 

 

I would NEVER purchase the key listed above - that's WAY to expensive. :)


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12 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

Never in my life of doing this have I witnessed this, had this happen to me ($3 a piece on Ebay), happen to anyone I personally know, etc.  You can find random ghost stories on the interwebs of this but nothing tangible.  The only people having their keys revoked are either adding/removing hardware to many times (this is a 1 time hardware key, if people don't know that going into it...not anyones fault but their own) which happens to anyone with a legit key (see LTT videos) OEM or not.  Or they try to migrate it to another machine etc. 

 

I would NEVER purchase the key listed above - that's WAY to expensive. :)

I mean hey if you wanna help criminals that's your choice.  Also, your key is not legit.  You bought a key intended for OEM purposes, not the way you're going about it.  Also, Linus isn't always right and has been debunked several times.  Remember Thunderfoot?
 

Remember how he and Louis met after he decided to bake components?  The point is tech tubers aren't always right.


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20 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

I mean hey if you wanna help criminals that's your choice.  Also, your key is not legit.  You bought a key intended for OEM purposes, not the way you're going about it.  Also, Linus isn't always right and has been debunked several times.  Remember Thunderfoot?
 

Remember how he and Louis met after he decided to bake components?  The point is tech tubers aren't always right.

 

A Crime requires an injured party (if the theft has already occurred, that is the crime... I did not help with this theft).  It is not my responsibility, nor my legal requirement, to know who I am purchasing this key from, because the key is legal to obtain, and have in my possession - and use, as the EULA does not trump my legal abilities granted by the laws of the land. 

 

My mention of Linus was specific - to how swapping hardware causes OEM key revocation and why he doesn't just apply another key and the absolute reason why he is correct - the EULA carries zero weight over my rights.  Nothing Microsoft can do.

 

We just sit in different camps and will not agree on this topic of the morality.  However one of us is correct about the Legality of this, and that is what is important to me.  Morality is just dictated by how the world feels today (enter; Slavery) and can change at a whim of the snowflaked masses.

 


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14 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

A Crime requires an injured party (if the theft has already occurred, that is the crime... I did not help with this theft).  It is not my responsibility, nor my legal requirement, to know who I am purchasing this key from, because the key is legal to obtain, and have in my possession - and use, as the EULA does not trump my legal abilities granted by the laws of the land. 

 

My mention of Linus was specific - to how swapping hardware causes OEM key revocation and why he doesn't just apply another key and the absolute reason why he is correct - the EULA carries zero weight over my rights.  Nothing Microsoft can do.

 

We just sit in different camps and will not agree on this topic of the morality.  However one of us is correct about the Legality of this, and that is what is important to me.  Morality is just dictated by how the world feels today (enter; Slavery) and can change at a whim of the snowflaked masses.

 

You stated originally they were committing a crime.  But, depending on the location, it can be illegal for you to buy it.  In the EU you would clearly win the case.  However, in the US, MS doesn't exactly target buyers and are more likely to revoke your license, which I have seen happen before/they are legally obliged to do so.  For example, it's illegal to download copyrighted material in the US.  But, in the EU it's perfectly fine as long as it's "just for personal use as a backup", iirc.  In the US the "rights" argument doesn't exactly hold.  Also, an EULA is indeed a contract that you agreed to and can be used in a court of law depending on the location.  Not quite so in the EU, but it can be tried in the US.  Just because MS doesn't exactly go after people for doing it doesn't mean an EULA is not a contract.  If they actually wanted to spend the time and money they could go after people in the US.  It's just more cost effective to revoke the key.


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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

You stated originally they were committing a crime.  But, depending on location, it can be illegal for you to buy it  In the EU you would clearly win the case.  However, in the US MS doesn't exactly target buyers and are more likely to revoke your license, which I have seen happen before and they are legally obliged to do so.  For example, it's illegal to download copyrighted material in the US.  But, in the EU it's perfectly fine as long as it's "just for personal use as a backup", iirc.  In the US they "rights" argument doesn't exactly hold.

I said it was illegal for them to sell this OEM key.  They purchased it under contract to sell in the Specific Region, or to Machines they build and sell (insert more scenarios).  For ME, it is not illegal to obtain, own, and use an OEM key.  For EU folks, same. 

 

You use "more likely to revoke your license"...which again goes back to ye' ol' Ghost stories.  Did you personally see this?  Or read an article.  Testimony is being a witness, not regurgitating what you have read or believe is correct. 

 

Can they legally do it?  Of course, if they can figure out you aren't on an OEM machine.  Again, Ghost stories, never seen it happen before (and Ive migrated these keys lololol deactivate on one machine, load up on another with the key)

 

Lets be more specific here as well - it is illegal for me to download Copywritten SOFTWARE in the US as this is correct and pertains to the discussion at hand - I can download Windows 10 ISO from the Microsoft Website as soon as I enter the key that was legal for me to obtain, and purchase and use.

 

Its illegal for me to download pirated Windows 10.  Huge difference.


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7 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

I said it was illegal for them to sell this OEM key.  They purchased it under contract to sell in the Specific Region, or to Machines they build and sell (insert more scenarios).  For ME, it is not illegal to obtain, own, and use an OEM key.  For EU folks, same. 

 

You use "more likely to revoke your license"...which again goes back to ye' ol' Ghost stories.  Did you personally see this?  Or read an article.  Testimony is being a witness, not regurgitating what you have read or believe is correct. 

 

Can they legally do it?  Of course, if they can figure out you aren't on an OEM machine.  Again, Ghost stories, never seen it happen before (and Ive migrated these keys lololol deactivate on one machine, load up on another with the key)

 

Lets be more specific here as well - it is illegal for me to download Copywritten SOFTWARE in the US as this is correct and pertains to the discussion at hand - I can download Windows 10 ISO from the Microsoft Website as soon as I enter the key that was legal for me to obtain, and purchase and use.

 

Its illegal for me to download pirated Windows 10.  Huge difference.

It's also illegal in the US to break a contract which is what you are doing.  MS just doesn't usually target the buyer of keys outside of revoking the license, and yes I have personally seen it happen to people.  I also know people who had their key revoked then had to go back to sites like G2A or Kinguin.  You don't have the rights you assume you do in the US to buy OEM keys like that.  Challenge MS in court if you believe you do or tell them what you're doing.  Let's see how that goes over.


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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

It's also illegal in the US to break a contract which is what you are doing.  MS just doesn't usually target the buyer of keys outside of revoking license, and yes I have personally seen it happen to people.  I also know people who had their key revoked then had to go back to sites like G2A or Kinguin.  You don't have the rights you assume you do in the US to buy OEM keys like that.  Challenge MS in court if you believe you do or tell them what you're doing.  Let's see how that goes over.

 

What Contract?  Kthnx, EULA isn't a Contract.

 

Microsoft doesn't because its not profitable.  I.E. they know you will just go back out and save hundreds on another OEM key.  If it was profitable to shut me down and try to force me to buy a "legit" key they would attempt this. 

 

Im going to just say this about your testimony...I don't believe it.  I don't believe you have ever had Microsoft contact you or friends, revoke anything of yours or theirs.  You likely tripped Hardware replacement algorithm which no one knows what it takes still to this day.  If I am wrong and you have seen this, and actually SEEN THIS (Microsoft revoke) Im sorry but you should brag about that and keep your proof to show people.  Cause that's like saying you saw a Ghost but have no proof.  Its cool you think you did but its tough for skeptics to believe you.

 

I do have the Rights I know I Have in the US.  They are of utmost importance to me.  Please, challenge what I said was illegal, or legal - Ill gladly prove it to you, but ONLY if you are willing to read and understand - not argue.  Its not about me being right, its about the Law.

 


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24 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

What Contract?  Kthnx, EULA isn't a Contract.

 

Microsoft doesn't because its not profitable.  I.E. they know you will just go back out and save hundreds on another OEM key.  If it was profitable to shut me down and try to force me to buy a "legit" key they would attempt this. 

 

Im going to just say this about your testimony...I don't believe it.  I don't believe you have ever had Microsoft contact you or friends, revoke anything of yours or theirs.  You likely tripped Hardware replacement algorithm which no one knows what it takes still to this day.  If I am wrong and you have seen this, and actually SEEN THIS (Microsoft revoke) Im sorry but you should brag about that and keep your proof to show people.  Cause that's like saying you saw a Ghost but have no proof.  Its cool you think you did but its tough for skeptics to believe you.

 

I do have the Rights I know I Have in the US.  They are of utmost importance to me.  Please, challenge what I said was illegal, or legal - Ill gladly prove it to you, but ONLY if you are willing to read and understand - not argue.  Its not about me being right, its about the Law.

 

Except MS has used their EULAs in court, which were found to be contracts in a court of law, and MS won these cases.  So, your argument holds no grounds rather you like it or not.  One case of importance dates back to 1993.  The seller is not the only one bound to this contract.  When you agree to the contract, as you install windows, you have bound yourself to said contract rather you like it or not.  Now, a fair argument is that not every court will take the case.  But, if your area has taken a specific law up then yes MS can take you to court over this "contract".


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24 minutes ago, valdyrgramr said:

Accept MS has used their EULAs in court, which were found to be contracts in a court of law, and MS won these cases.  So, your argument holds no grounds rather you like it or not.  One case of importance dates back to 1993.  The seller is not the only one bound to this contract.  When you agree to the contract, as you install windows, you have bound yourself to said contract rather you like it or not.  Now, a fair argument is that not every court will take the case.  But, if your area has taken a specific law up then yes MS can take you to court over this "contract".

Sigh

 

Courts uphold EULAs over reselling of software.  You are the licensee not the owner of the software.  You cant resell the license because you are not an authorized distributor, do you see?  These are the Court cases you are referring to, as Im not seeing anything tangible of what you said in 1993 specifically.

 

A EULA, is not a contract btw.  When I purchase Windows 10 from, say Best Buy - the point of sale has occurred correct?  Have I signed anything yet?  Who owns that CD, and that key?  Me.  I go to install that CD and it prompts me to accept the EULA I can even say CANCEL and it will still install.  However, I say - no time to read the EULA, cancel, install...and later decide to buy an ebay key because I lost my key that came with my CD...I input the key into the appropriate place and activate Windows and accept the EULA (does it prompt to accept EULA at this point?  I cant remember but I assume it would, will have to buy a key and remember the steps)...and the worst thing that can happen is a Ghost Story.  (NOTHING Illegal occurred on my end, the User)

 

The legalities you speak of are likely mass scale, or VERY Minor court cases not involving Windows 10 activation.

 

 

 

 

 


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8 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

Sigh

 

Courts uphold EULAs over reselling of software.  You are the licensee not the owner of the software.  You cant resell the license because you are not an authorized distributor, do you see?  These are the Court cases you are referring to, as Im not seeing anything tangible of what you said in 1993 specifically.

 

A EULA, is not a contract btw.  When I purchase Windows 10 from, say Best Buy - the point of sale has occurred correct?  Have I signed anything yet?  Who owns that CD, and that key?  Me.  I go to install that CD and it prompts me to accept the EULA I can even say CANCEL and it will still install.  However, I say - no time to read the EULA, cancel, install...and later decide to buy an ebay key because I lost my key that came with my CD...I input the key into the appropriate place and activate Windows and accept the EULA (does it prompt to accept EULA at this point?  I cant remember but I assume it would, will have to buy a key and remember the steps)...and the worst thing that can happen is a Ghost Story.  (NOTHING Illegal occurred on my end, the User)

 

The legalities you speak of are likely mass scale, or VERY Minor court cases not involving Windows 10 activation.

 

 

 

 

 

When you install the OS you are agreeing to the EULA otherwise you cannot install it.  You claimed the EULA was not a contract, but it has proven to be a contract by judges.  Now, as I said if your area has taken a specific law it would be easier for MS to take you to court of said contract.  You can argue about it all you want, but you're not remotely correct either.


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Just now, valdyrgramr said:

When you install the OS you are agreeing to the EULA otherwise you cannot install it.  You claimed the EULA was not a contract, but it has proven to be a contract by judges.  Now, as I said if your area has taken a specific law it would be easier for MS to take you to court of said contract.  You can argue about it all you want, but you're not remotely correct either.

 

You are wrong, go and install Windows 10 right now and press Cancel at the EULA request.  Cancel the activation.  It does and will always...install.  In certain situations, in certain courts, in specific arguments a EULA can be construed as, and implied as a Contract.  That doesn't make it a Contract.

 

Legality is the download of the Software without purchasing with the intent to use without activation.  If I have a Key purchased from Ebay (not illegal for me to do ever in the USA - the illegal activity is the key seller, not my problem AT ALL) and go to MS website and click the Windows 10 ISO, it will prompt me for a Key to download the ISO.  Once I have the legally (for me) obtained ISO, and I install it, input the key and accept the EULA - Ive still done zero activity that would be considered illegal.  The illegal portion is done at the seller level.  I do not have to know what I am buying is illegal to be sold in that manner, if the item is not illegal to possess. 


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20 minutes ago, Tristerin said:

 

You are wrong, go and install Windows 10 right now and press Cancel at the EULA request.  Cancel the activation.  It does and will always...install.  In certain situations, in certain courts, in specific arguments a EULA can be construed as, and implied as a Contract.  That doesn't make it a Contract.

 

Legality is the download of the Software without purchasing with the intent to use without activation.  If I have a Key purchased from Ebay (not illegal for me to do ever in the USA - the illegal activity is the key seller, not my problem AT ALL) and go to MS website and click the Windows 10 ISO, it will prompt me for a Key to download the ISO.  Once I have the legally (for me) obtained ISO, and I install it, input the key and accept the EULA - Ive still done zero activity that would be considered illegal.  The illegal portion is done at the seller level.  I do not have to know what I am buying is illegal to be sold in that manner, if the item is not illegal to possess. 

You said the EULA is not a contract originally, which judges have ruled that it is even at the buyer's level.  It's not usually challenged in court at the buyer level, though.  It's also complicated to do so and as I mentioned an area would need a very specific law in place to make it easier for MS to do so.  But, it's also a lot more time and money consuming for a company to do so, which is why they don't usually do it.  As I said, the worst that would likely happen is your key getting revoked.  However, we probably shouldn't derail this further and agree to disagree.


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On 1/9/2019 at 3:40 PM, valdyrgramr said:

You said the EULA is not a contract originally, which judges have ruled that it is even at the buyer's level.

Which country are we talking about?

In the EU and EULA is not considered a contract and it is also often not binding. In fact it is 100% legal to buy and use OEM keys in all of the EU. Save yourself the money and don't listen to the spooky stories from people who claim and EULA equals law.

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On 1/9/2019 at 4:22 PM, valdyrgramr said:

When you install the OS you are agreeing to the EULA otherwise you cannot install it.  You claimed the EULA was not a contract, but it has proven to be a contract by judges.  Now, as I said if your area has taken a specific law it would be easier for MS to take you to court of said contract.  You can argue about it all you want, but you're not remotely correct either.

While this technically applies, to end user only thing that can happen is that MS blacklists key or refuse to activate it. Thats their only right, even according to EULA. As buyer can't, within reason, know how key is acquired. MS doesn't have any legal method to force end user to pay any additional fees. They could force out receipt or other information about seller, which would be actual target as they have financially gained by abusing the system.

 

So this whole discussion about EULA is irrelevant in end users perspective. Its about persons morals, whether they are willing to accept fact that they might be buying illegally acquired goods. Considering the fact that MS isn't blacklisting keys at masses, even though they must be aware about issue, makes whole EULA discussion even less relevant. If we were to talk about any distributor buying keys (builders, OEMs), then this would be more relevant as they actually might get sued.


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4 hours ago, NeuesTestament said:

Which country are we talking about?

In the EU and EULA is not considered a contract and it is also often not binding. In fact it is 100% legal to buy and use OEM keys in all of the EU. Save yourself the money and don't listen to the spooky stories from people who claim and EULA equals law.

 

4 hours ago, LoGiCalDrm said:

While this technically applies, to end user only thing that can happen is that MS blacklists key or refuse to activate it. Thats their only right, even according to EULA. As buyer can't, within reason, know how key is acquired. MS doesn't have any legal method to force end user to pay any additional fees. They could force out receipt or other information about seller, which would be actual target as they have financially gained by abusing the system.

 

So this whole discussion about EULA is irrelevant in end users perspective. Its about persons morals, whether they are willing to accept fact that they might be buying illegally acquired goods. Considering the fact that MS isn't blacklisting keys at masses, even though they must be aware about issue, makes whole EULA discussion even less relevant. If we were to talk about any distributor buying keys (builders, OEMs), then this would be more relevant as they actually might get sued.

If you read the whole conversation I stated that in the US it is illegal, but it isn't illegal in the EU.  So, in the US it isn't about morals.  US judges have ruled that it is a contract here dating all the way back to 1993.  Also, I forgot the name of the law, but there is a law in the US that makes it easier for the EULA creator to enforce said EULA in a court against a buyer.  But, even then that takes a lot of time and money.  So, MS and others just deactivate the key at most.  It's unusual for them to take a buyer to court. 

Edit, Uniform Computer Information Transactions Act is the name of the law.  If a state has this in place, then yes, MS can actually take a buyer to court if they chose to in the US and win.  Two states known for having this is Maryland and Virginia.  I live in Maryland, so I can't exactly buy these OEM keys and hope to beat MS in a court of law.  A state doesn't exactly need to have them in place for MS to take you to court, but it makes it easier for MS or another EULA creator/holder to win a case against you.


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