Windows 10 May Reserve Another 7GB For Updates.

[Arika]

16 minutes ago, porina said:

My system work hours are 24/7. Where's the setting for that?

i ask this out of curiosity, not "bull shit you're lying"

 

but what is it that you do at home that requires your PC to be on 24/7 with no downtime to do a 1-2 minute (if that) restart?

[Guest]

You can use a flashdisc too…. 

it is another investment but it should save the cheap p.c. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

4 hours ago, mr moose said:

Isn't it ridiculous how there are so many people with technical issues on a forum of supposedly self proclaimed tech enthusiasts.  

sometimes even the biggest nerd needs help  

[porina]

21 minutes ago, Arika S said:

i ask this out of curiosity, not "bull shit you're lying"

 

but what is it that you do at home that requires your PC to be on 24/7 with no downtime to do a 1-2 minute (if that) restart?

Various processing tasks. In theory I could set auto-login and auto-resume, but without an elegant shutdown there is a chance of corruption and wasted time, in the order of CPU-days per system. This is more painful now with increasing electricity costs. Before anyone else says it, I don't want to mess with Linux either as that is a different set of problems.

[Princess Luna]

7 hours ago, Uttamattamakin said:

In my humble opinion this will make the 32GB inexpensive windows computer obsolete.

For a moment I actually had my Windows 10 Pro installed on a 32gb Intel Optane Memory for that super sweet NVMe performance and for the fun out of it... I thought well 32GB ought to be enough JUST for the windows and all else can be on the second SSD.

 

I was greatly mistaken when I saw my windows was getting alone to the 27GB margin already... Then there are the whole "windows.old" folder and all the extra useless junk that uses stupid amounts of disk space and you can't move it elsewhere.

 

Indeed If Microsoft keeps this up 120GB SSD for inexpensive mobile Windows machines will no longer be enough.

[Linus_torvalds]

6 hours ago, corrado33 said:

If you have an SSD you're unnecessarily killing it faster.

Exactly. Much faster. I got laptop from ebay 3 days ago. It had windows 10 on it. It did upgrade to 1809 version. Then i checked ssd life and i noticed it had written about 26 GB and read 17 GB from ssd in about an 2 hour maybe. That is damn too high. I do not do that much writes and reads on my ssd using my arch linux whole day!

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

9 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Then there are the whole "windows.old" folder and all the extra useless junk that uses stupid amounts of disk space and you can't move it elsewhere.

windows.old is removable. you can go to disk cleanup and remove it from there. 

[Castdeath97]

Winodws was already taking too much of my disk with update files already ...

[GoodBytes]

Just now, Castdeath97 said:

Winodws was already taking too much of my disk with update files already ...

It won't take more. It will use that reserve space

[paddy-stone]

7 hours ago, GoodBytes said:

Maybe now manufactures will stop making system with 32GB of storage, and put in 64GB instead allowing more storage.

But anyway, from my understanding on this, it can use external storage instead. Meaning, if you insert a microSD card (say), it will use that, instead of your main storage for update. (update: Doesn't look like, but with Storage Sense you can merge that microSD card with your system drive. So you still have 1 drive, but it will be larger.)

I can tell you now that it doesn't work on my windows tablet.. I couldn't update it, so put a 32GB card in, and it still won't update and says not enough space (after about 2 hours). I didn't use it much anyway, but still annoying.

[Guest]

Guess I'll throw my 32GB Windows 10 Tablet out the window since I couldn't even do regular updates with the space that is taking

Meanwhile my entire Kubuntu system files weight 9.8 GB lol including my programs



 

[LAwLz]

1 minute ago, paddy-stone said:

I can tell you now that it doesn't work on my windows tablet.. I couldn't update it, so put a 32GB card in, and it still won't update and says not enough space (after about 2 hours). I didn't use it much anyway, but still annoying.

I think GoodBytes said you could do a JBOD setup and it will work. 

However, this is an absolutely terrible idea. If you accidentally pull the SD card out, or it fails, it might corrupt things on your eMMC too. 

Performance will be horrible too. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, paddy-stone said:

I can tell you now that it doesn't work on my windows tablet.. I couldn't update it, so put a 32GB card in, and it still won't update and says not enough space (after about 2 hours). I didn't use it much anyway, but still annoying.

That is because the way Windows see a 32GB card on a tablet isn't the same as it would do with a typical external USB storage, you need to create a vhd disk through disk manager, and create a service which mounts it every time, or mount it manually, I solved it in this way on my 32GB tablet 

[paddy-stone]

2 minutes ago, Lukyp said:

That is because the way Windows see a 32GB card on a tablet isn't the same as it would do with a typical external USB storage, you need to create a vhd disk through disk manager, and create a service which mounts it every time, or mount it manually, I solved it in this way on my 32GB tablet 

Ahh cool, I might give that a try, thanks... as I said I didn't use it much anyway, pretty much just had it sitting beside my bed so that if there was a problems with the server I could do it from there.

If I get it sorted I might give it to my great-niece, but it is SLOOOOW, so she might not want it, lol

[Princess Luna]

30 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

windows.old is removable. you can go to disk cleanup and remove it from there. 

I mean, I'm perfectly aware it is, but you can not stop Windows from doing it in the first place.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Princess Cadence said:

I mean, I'm perfectly aware it is, but you can not stop Windows from doing it in the first place.

I'm confortable with it tbh, I think it is needed for recovering from unsuccessful updates, better than having an unusable system like when it happened on Win7, and after a month it would delete itself

[kevin222]

Another reason of Switching from windows OS to another OS!  

[Linker]

As someone with a $200 laptop w/ a 32gb C drive and >4 gigs remaining.

This sucks.

I feel compelled a little more each day to switch to Linux...

[Brooksie359]

8 hours ago, Uttamattamakin said:

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-windows-10-to-grab-7gb-of-your-storage-so-big-updates-dont-fail/

 

 

 

OK, if I was one of the people who bought one of the inexpensive windows machines with 32GB of Flash storage I would be very angry about this.  This is going to be really annoying.  It is better now that windows 10 more readily supports keeping files in the cloud and downloading them as needed while still keeping them visible in the file structure.  On a machine like that up to now 12-16 of the 32 GB was the OS.  Now 19-23 GB of the storage will be the OS.   Can one even install MS office, the one thing such devices have that chromebook doesn't, in what is left?  About one GB for anything else. 

 

In my humble opinion this will make the 32GB inexpensive windows computer obsolete.   

 

Which is very bad for a lot of people.  A lot of students are only able to afford a very cheap computer.  There are some things that just cannot be done on a computer belonging to a school or a library.  There are some things that just cannot be done on a phone.   Why not just give people the option of downloading the updates to a USB then installing it from there?  

As someone who knows someone with a 32gb machine. That hit garbage was already obsolete. Ended up giving them my old laptop because the thing was unusable and it only Windows chrome and Microsoft office. The fact that someone thought a 32gb Windows machine was a good idea is actually a joke. 

[GoodBytes]

8 minutes ago, Linker said:

As someone with a $200 laptop w/ a 32gb C drive and >4 gigs remaining.

This sucks.

I feel compelled a little more each day to switch to Linux...

If you don't have issues with space now, then you won't after.

If you have issues with space now, then you'll be fighting to make room in any case.

[mynameisjuan]

2 hours ago, mr moose said:

If you require your system on 24/7 then you can't do updates that require a restart,  get linux.

 

Or perhaps you do have time to update but its not always regular,  in which case you should be using enterprise.

 

99% of home users are just that, home users, they can turn off every night.  The point of forced updates on home is because home users are predominately the ones that don't update and are also the ones with a regular power cycle.

Exactly. Its just like that guy I argued with a bit ago where his PC needed to be on 24/7 because he never saved anything and bitched that he lost time when it rebooted.

 

The needs of the many beat the needs of the few. I get people want updates but windows security was shit until they began forcing updates. Even then you can delay it and it will only force reboot once a month. If you cant find a 10min down period to update than you need  to rethink your setup.

1 hour ago, mate_mate91 said:

Exactly. Much faster. I got laptop from ebay 3 days ago. It had windows 10 on it. It did upgrade to 1809 version. Then i checked ssd life and i noticed it had written about 26 GB and read 17 GB from ssd in about an 2 hour maybe. That is damn too high. I do not do that much writes and reads on my ssd using my arch linux whole day!

Far from "much faster". 

 

Second gen SSD could stand 50gb write a day and it would  take 3 years for the NAND to fail. Modern SSDs can do multiple Petabytes of writes. It will not kill your SSD any faster.

[GoodBytes]

8 minutes ago, Brooksie359 said:

As someone who knows someone with a 32gb machine. That hit garbage was already obsolete. Ended up giving them my old laptop because the thing was unusable and it only Windows chrome and Microsoft office. The fact that someone thought a 32gb Windows machine was a good idea is actually a joke. 

One is better off going to a recycling center, get an laptop from there for $50 or so, get an 120-250GB SSD (especially now that they drop in price) and call it day.

Late Core 2 Duo with Windows 10, 4GB of RAM, and an SSD will fly especially compared to these low end systems, and you end up paying less, and might end up with a better display, and similar battery life, 13-14inch, and maybe a an entry level Nvidia/AMD GPU in it. And that is if you go with the Core 2 Duo... and not a 1st or 2nd gen Core i5, which obviously will be much faster, and better Intel integrated graphics, and so on. Worth a look at such center, is all I am saying.

[Linker]

8 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

If you don't have issues with space now, then you won't after.

If you have issues with space now, then you'll be fighting to make room in any case.

I have issues with space on my C drive.

It just barely fits everything I need, and the 4gb goes down to as low as like 300mb during updates.

64 gb microsd card holds everything else.

I'll find a way if it becomes an issue, it just bothers me how bloaty windows is.

[Drak3]

Meh. The only issue to come from this that isn't pebkac is insuffiecient hardware on bottom tier machines that barely do what's asked of them.

[Blademaster91]

7 hours ago, Uttamattamakin said:

 A lot  of people such as of students simply cannot afford a better computer. 

 

Especially if they bought a computer with 32 GB of storage over the last year and now they are about to be not just weak but effectively obsolete. 

 

A device like this one was a really good value for a college student, had/has? better IO than a surface pro. 

Spoiler

 

Funny thing that such a simple device has USBC and my surface pro does not. 

I would recommend a student on a budget of about $200-300 look for a refurbished laptop instead,especially the business grade Dell or Lenovo laptops if you want a tough computer for school that you don't have to worry about putting in a backpack. You will have a faster CPU, more I/O ports, better keyboard, and would be able to upgrade the RAM and add an SSD.