Windows 10 May Reserve Another 7GB For Updates.

[Uttamattamakin]

https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-windows-10-to-grab-7gb-of-your-storage-so-big-updates-dont-fail/

 

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In the next major release of Windows 10, Microsoft will reserve 7GB of your device's storage to resolve a Windows 10 bug thrown up by Windows Update not checking whether a PC has enough storage space before launching after big updates

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In Windows 10 19H1, or version 1903 when it's released this year, Microsoft is introducing 'reserved storage', which will keep around 7GB of disk space — but possibly more — available purely so that updates can be installed smoothly. 

 

 

OK, if I was one of the people who bought one of the inexpensive windows machines with 32GB of Flash storage I would be very angry about this.  This is going to be really annoying.  It is better now that windows 10 more readily supports keeping files in the cloud and downloading them as needed while still keeping them visible in the file structure.  On a machine like that up to now 12-16 of the 32 GB was the OS.  Now 19-23 GB of the storage will be the OS.   Can one even install MS office, the one thing such devices have that chromebook doesn't, in what is left?  About one GB for anything else. 

 

In my humble opinion this will make the 32GB inexpensive windows computer obsolete.   

 

Which is very bad for a lot of people.  A lot of students are only able to afford a very cheap computer.  There are some things that just cannot be done on a computer belonging to a school or a library.  There are some things that just cannot be done on a phone.   Why not just give people the option of downloading the updates to a USB then installing it from there?  

[Rune]

....why not just check for space before doing the update?

[GoodBytes]

Maybe now manufactures will stop making system with 32GB of storage, and put in 64GB instead allowing more storage.

But anyway, from my understanding on this, it can use external storage instead. Meaning, if you insert a microSD card (say), it will use that, instead of your main storage for update. (update: Doesn't look like, but with Storage Sense you can merge that microSD card with your system drive. So you still have 1 drive, but it will be larger.)

[GoodBytes]

4 minutes ago, Rune said:

....why not just check for space before doing the update?

The idea, which Microsoft explains, is to not interrupt what you are doing trying to free space, and ensure you always have free space for programs to run properly (space for temp files, for example), and not crash or shows error messages.

In the blog post from Microsoft:

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Our goal is to improve the day-to-day function of your PC by ensuring critical OS functions always have access to disk space. Without reserved storage, if a user almost fills up her or his storage, several Windows and application scenarios become unreliable. Windows and application scenarios may not work as expected if they need free space to function. With reserved storage, updates, apps, temporary files, and caches are less likely to take away from valuable free space and should continue to operate as expected. Reserved storage will be introduced automatically on devices that come with version 1903 pre-installed or those where 1903 was clean installed. You don’t need to set anything up—this process will automatically run in the background.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/filecab/2019/01/07/windows-10-and-reserved-storage/

[Guest]

If 7gb is a huge amount for you, time for an update!

[Bouzoo]

3 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

The idea, which Microsoft explains, is to not interrupt what you are doing trying to free space.

How about not interrupting us by letting us decide when and what to install? Yeah of course, this seems way more logical. 

[Rune]

6 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

The idea, which Microsoft explains, is to not interrupt what you are doing trying to free space, and ensure you always have free space for programs to run properly (space for temp files, for example), and not crash or shows error messages.

In the blog post from Microsoft:

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/filecab/2019/01/07/windows-10-and-reserved-storage/

If I only have 5gb of space left I have bigger problems to worry about than Windows Updates.

[suicidalfranco]

9 minutes ago, Rune said:

....why not just check for space before doing the update?

cause that would be the normal, smart thing to do

[Arika]

2 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

How about not interrupting us by letting us decide when and what to install? Yeah of course, this seems way more logical. 

except this is about space....regardless of when it gets done, you still need to have enough space for the update

[GoodBytes]

5 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

How about not interrupting us by letting us decide when and what to install? Yeah of course, this seems way more logical. 

You still need to do a disk clean up to free up space

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

that is a BIG F-U to people who bought devices with 32gb of storage. yea sure you can put micro SD cards in those to give them more space but I'm not sure if Windows update can use those. to store the updates. 

 

@GoodBytes do you know that? I know you can install programs on drives other than C but can you store updates there too?

[Bouzoo]

Just now, Arika S said:

except this is about space....regardless of when it gets done, you still need to have enough space for the update

It's not about the space, everyone should have 7GB on their windows drive anyway, I can not remember when was the last time that I saw someone not having it, even the non techy users. It's MSs "we do not want to interrupt you" when every so often either an update or some other Windows bs will interrupt you, either a pop up for scalling, 3x compatibility telemetry tasks out of nowhere start slowing your system maniacally unless you block them or something completely different but no, it's the free storage that's the problem and not interrupting you while you update, but god forbid you decide when and what to update so that doesn't interrupt you. 

Am I salty? Absolutely, because MS is still not focusing on important stuff. 

[TooUnskilled]

I'm guessing it will adapt to the space the machine has.

It's supposed to be a step towards improving automation, which is good for the type of people who would use 32 GB PCs I think.

Or not, we'll see I guess.

[GoodBytes]

7 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

that is a BIG F-U to people who bought devices with 32gb of storage. yea sure you can put micro SD cards in those to give them more space but I'm not sure if Windows update can use those. to store the updates. 

 

@GoodBytes do you know that? I know you can install programs on drives other than C but can you store updates there too?

Currently no. But you can merge a microSD card with your main storage. You can do this via the Storage Sense feature in Windows.

So for example, if you have 32GB eMMC in your system and you add 128GB microSD card, using Storage Sense, you can have your drive appear as a single 160GB drive.

[Arika]

3 minutes ago, Bouzoo said:

everyone should have 7GB on their windows drive anyway

should, yes, but they dont. people can fill up their drives really fast and the majority of people dont know that you're supposed to leaved x amount free.

 

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 It's MSs "we do not want to interrupt you" when every so often either an update or some other Windows bs will interrupt you, either a pop up for scalling, 3x compatibility telemetry tasks out of nowhere start slowing your system maniacally unless you block them or something completely different

i must seriously be the only person that doesn't have these kind of problems the people on this forum complaint about constantly. never have i had windows restart while im in the middle of something, or interrupt anything im doing. maybe that's because i turn my pc off every night. maybe that's the fix for all these problems you keep having?

[Bouzoo]

Just now, Arika S said:

maybe that's because i turn my pc off every night. maybe that's the fix for all these problems you keep having?

So much wisdom I am not sure how to react. My laptop is my daily driver, I turn it off multiple times a day. 

Those are fairly big problems and god forbid you don't have an ssd, some things will render it useless for long periods of time. 

Those are not my specific issues, I've seen it dozens of times to know it's a general problem. 

[Nowak]

42 minutes ago, GoodBytes said:

Maybe now manufactures will stop making system with 32GB of storage, and put in 64GB instead allowing more storage.

After upgrading from a 32GB to a 64GB phone I'd like 64GB to be the minimum amount of storage for everything but the cheapest computers, and if you're looking to spend $160 on a laptop anyway then you should be looking at a Chromebook instead.

[Linus_torvalds]

LOL i laugh at MS decisions! Windows 10 is BG FU to all it's users

7 GB is more then my linux installation needs with ALL programs i need to work...

[Crunchy Dragon]

28 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

that is a BIG F-U to people who bought devices with 32gb of storage.

I don't know why you'd be buying a Windows 10 device with only 32GB of storage in the first place anyway, but I agree.

 

Even as a boot SSD, I'd still want 120GB minimum.

[corrado33]

38 minutes ago, Rune said:

If I only have 5gb of space left I have bigger problems to worry about than Windows Updates.

If you have an SSD you're unnecessarily killing it faster.

[Blake]

51 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

I know you can install programs on drives other than C but can you store updates there too?

Should be right, just run mklink /J "A" "B"

 

I've done this with a few Windows files, just need to be careful as a few of them will cause the system to blue screen if the other drive isn't present when the system starts.

 

The only issue will be if they decide they want to make it hidden\lock it out of the OS.

[Bananasplit_00]

Well then... That leaves 2gb left on my laptop, that has a 240gb SSD can we have a toggle please? 

[iamdarkyoshi]

Please, for the love of god, please be the end of 32GB EMMC windows 10 "laptops"

[D13H4RD]

Yeah.....I really want that 512GB SSD now

[Froody129]

So instead of just fixing a bug which should be simple (just find how much free space there is) they just reserve more space on the drive? You used to have to write dates in short format to save on RAM and storage, surely we can optimise at least slightly today...