Michael Pachter confirms he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about, claims PS5 will be capable of 4K @ 240FPS

[Guest]

They're probably mentioning the DP standard, that it is capable of putting that out, not an indicator of the frames. 

[ne0tic]

3 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

You honestly couldn't make this shit up. Mere days after Linus built a $5000 PC which just about managed 200FPS @ 4K for a few frames in one game, gaming industry "analyst & expert" Michael Pachter is now claiming Sony's next gen PS5 will be capable of significantly better performance.

https://www.t3.com/amp/news/incredible-ps5-feature-set-to-leave-xbox-two-desperate-for-counterstrike

 

The only astounding thing is that you'd print this nonsense and not question it.

 

I won't bother going any deeper into the article as it continues talking as though this is possible and how Microsoft should be scared of the PS5.

 

Listen, unless Sony can cram a 9900K & 2 X 2080tis into the PS5 and somehow retail it for $500 to $600 it's very obvious Michael Pachter is talking out of his arse.

 

3 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

You honestly couldn't make this shit up. Mere days after Linus built a $5000 PC which just about managed 200FPS @ 4K for a few frames in one game, gaming industry "analyst & expert" Michael Pachter is now claiming Sony's next gen PS5 will be capable of significantly better performance.

https://www.t3.com/amp/news/incredible-ps5-feature-set-to-leave-xbox-two-desperate-for-counterstrike

 

The only astounding thing is that you'd print this nonsense and not question it.

 

I won't bother going any deeper into the article as it continues talking as though this is possible and how Microsoft should be scared of the PS5.

 

Listen, unless Sony can cram a 9900K & 2 X 2080tis into the PS5 and somehow retail it for $500 to $600 it's very obvious Michael Pachter is talking out of his arse.

The PS5 will probably not even be able to handle 4K @30 FPS in some games

[Haaselh0ff]

Article seems strange. That video in it isn't even a real video?

 

I will never in a million years believe that the PS5 will be able to run 4k at anything more than 60. Even getting 60 seems a little of a struggle to me but with proper optimization anything is possible.

[GoldenLag]

26 minutes ago, ne0tic said:

 

The PS5 will probably not even be able to handle 4K @30 FPS in some games

Based on talk in the industry the console will give some sort of experience at 4K @60 fps

 

The rx 580 can do 4k medium at 30 fps. Which is essentialy what the Xbone X uses.

 

We can laugh at this sort of rumours, but we really shouldnt downplay what next gen console should be able to deliver

[Gullerback]

feel like its hyperbole to drive stock up.  

[leadeater]

4 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Yep, and the industries most prominent expert somehow thinks it will beat the top 1% of gaming PCs.

Not even 1%, Linus couldn't even break past top 2% with a mountain of money (equipment wise) lol.

 

PS5 4k@240 would be more like top 0.1%, at least now anyway.

[Tech Enthusiast]

I swear, the console fanatics believe in magic. 

Just a few days ago another of those blind fanatics wanted to get into an argument with me about his XBOX being a true 4k piece for 300 bucks. He also claimed my shit PC would never reach that quality, even if i invested 3k into it.

 

Seriously, i have no idea how to properly talk to the console kids these days. They really buy the marketing and don't seem to notice it when playing. Or they lie to themselves?

[Dujith]

2 minutes ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

I swear, the console fanatics believe in magic. 

This has been a thing as long as there were consoles.

Heck i even went along with it in the SNES/Genesis days. The amount of times i got into an argument  , which was better based on stupid marketing BS by the manufactures (which i believed at the time... Nintendo ofc, Sega sucks  )

 

But then i grew up... well, not grew up but learned from tech sites that i was an idiot  

[Flamingbeardo]

6 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

You honestly couldn't make this shit up. Mere days after Linus built a $5000 PC which just about managed 200FPS @ 4K for a few frames in one game, gaming industry "analyst & expert" Michael Pachter is now claiming Sony's next gen PS5 will be capable of significantly better performance.

https://www.t3.com/amp/news/incredible-ps5-feature-set-to-leave-xbox-two-desperate-for-counterstrike

 

The only astounding thing is that you'd print this nonsense and not question it.

 

I won't bother going any deeper into the article as it continues talking as though this is possible and how Microsoft should be scared of the PS5.

 

Listen, unless Sony can cram a 9900K & 2 X 2080tis into the PS5 and somehow retail it for $500 to $600 it's very obvious Michael Pachter is talking out of his arse.

That’s definitely possible with a Shadow PC or equivalent.

[Sauron]

5 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

You're preaching to the choir, I fully understand this concept. Unfortunately the non technical people reading about this probably won't understand the difference as is proven by the fact the article I quoted from literally states the PS5 can do 4K @ 240fps.

Well, in that case the ones confirming they don't have a clue are the journalists, not this Pachter guy... right?

[suits]

6 hours ago, Spotty said:

https://gamingbolt.com/microsoft-may-have-two-next-gen-xbox-variants-says-pachter

 

For those interested in the original quotes from the source article.

"4k or 240 frames per second". The way I read what he's saying is he's not talking about a device running 4k at 240fps. He's talking about a device that can run either 4k (probably 60fps) or 240fps (probably 1080p).

Any processor that can actually run 240fps is almost the price of the console itself and you still have to use lower quality settings

[mxk]

That means 16k at 60fps oh boy

[Master Disaster]

44 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Well, in that case the ones confirming they don't have a clue are the journalists, not this Pachter guy... right?

I'm still not convinced he didn't mean 4K @ 240. Like I pointed out earlier, he made a point of distinguishing the 2 while talking about the next Xbox yet for the PS5 he joined the terms using and, why would he separate the terms in one sentence and join them in the next?

 

At best he was being deliberately ambiguous, at worst he was plain flat out incorrect.

[mr moose]

Journalists will print anything in a way that gets them a click,  I am not convinced this guy is that dumb,  it sounds more like a grammatical error that people have leaped on.  

 

 

[GoldenLag]

2 hours ago, Tech Enthusiast said:

I swear, the console fanatics believe in magic. 

Just a few days ago another of those blind fanatics wanted to get into an argument with me about his XBOX being a true 4k piece for 300 bucks. He also claimed my shit PC would never reach that quality, even if i invested 3k into it.

 

Seriously, i have no idea how to properly talk to the console kids these days. They really buy the marketing and don't seem to notice it when playing. Or they lie to themselves?

you can get a 500$ new consoler killer PC. like yes, you will be min-maxing hard, but you are only aiming at 4k 30fps at medium settings.

on the used market you can such machines even cheaper.

 

then again i see why consoles exist. they are the shortest answer to gaming for many. 

 

Spoiler

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD - Athlon 200GE 3.2 GHz Dual-Core Processor	$50.79 @ OutletPC
Motherboard	MSI - B450M PRO-VDH Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard	$79.89 @ OutletPC
Memory	Patriot - Viper 4 8 GB (2 x 4 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory	$59.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Team - L5 LITE 3D 480 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$49.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	XFX - Radeon RX 580 8 GB GTS XXX ED Video Card	$189.99 @ Amazon
Case	Rosewill - SCM-01 MicroATX Mini Tower Case	$22.99 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair - CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$29.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$503.63
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$483.63
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-30 17:26 EST-0500

case in point. and if you are picky about the 4$ over 500, you can downtier to a 450 watt model PSU and save 5$. CPU is overclockable using select MSI BIOSes. also storage is essentially better than on a console. 

 

edit: saw pricing on the GPU is off because amazon, but you can get them around the same price anyway

though at this rate. i wouldnt be surprised if they soon allowed to dualboot consoles in to a PC OS as they are very similar to them.

[descendency]

Mobile games at 4K240? 

[Trik'Stari]

2 hours ago, leadeater said:

Not even 1%, Linus couldn't even break past top 2% with a mountain of money (equipment wise) lol.

 

PS5 4k@240 would be more like top 0.1%, at least now anyway.

I'm curious as to whether or not he's tried to do 4k gaming on ultra/high with a water cooled 1080ti.

 

Because I do that, and have no issues in games like BF1. I get a solid 60fps. Some other games not so much, Fallout 4 (modded) and GTA V are a little lower, solid 50 when things are getting nuts.

 

But I have no issues with 4k @60hz.

 

Single 1080ti Water cooled and OC'ed to 2.0GHz. Watercooled and turboing 7700k with 32GB of DDR4. My GPU runs far cooler than my CPU (need to delid, this CPU has shit temps).

[ZacoAttaco]

It amazes me how people who make ridiculous claims like this keep their jobs. It just boggles my mind. The PS5 would probably get bottle-necked my weak HDD, meaning every console would also have to ship with a sizable SSD as well as the graphical and processing horse-power. Ludicrous. This page shows how little he really knows.

 

https://www.tipranks.com/analysts/michael-pachter

[Kherm]

I'm fairly certain that this clown has never been accurate on long-term speculation. He thought the switch would crash and burn. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

6 hours ago, mr moose said:

Journalists will print anything in a way that gets them a click,  I am not convinced this guy is that dumb,  it sounds more like a grammatical error that people have leaped on.  

 

See the 8:20 mark below for him saying XBox will do 4k@240 fps next gen 

 

[Ja50n]

Well, TVs now can motion-interpolate 4K up to “240Hz” claimed, so why not make an 8K set to do the same, and have it just minorly upscale (blur) the 2.5K PS5 image while motion interpolating it? Boom! PS5 supports 8K 240fps!

[mr moose]

8 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

See the 8:20 mark below for him saying XBox will do 4k@240 fps next gen 

 

You've never heard of a verbal slip?  sometimes people say incorrect things unintentionally.  Like mixing up peoples names in an explanation.  Not every single thing people say is perfectly executed and their intent. Given it seems to be one comment that is obviously wrong and not a string of errors I would be more inclined to assume he didn't mean it rather than berate a man and insult his intelligence over an unintentional verbal gaff.

[Spotty]

33 minutes ago, SteveGrabowski0 said:

See the 8:20 mark below for him saying XBox will do 4k@240 fps next gen 

Quote

"They're going to say: We have two different Xboxes. One for the hardcore aficionado who's willing to pay whatever it takes to play the latest and greatest and the other for the casual guy who doesn't have to have the best. So, think of it as 4K next generation; 4k 240 frames a second verses 1080p 60 frames a second. That's kind of the difference. And if you're a casual, 1080p 60 frames a second is plenty".

Looking at that and his wording he definitely does appear to be suggesting the next gen xbox will do 4K [at] 240 FPS. Whether intended to or not, he ties the framerate to the resolution and reinforces that connection by comparing it to 1080p 60FPS, and refers to it as the "next generation" of 4K implying that it is different & improved from current generation 4k (30/60FPS).

His comments from the discussion with Gamingbolt last week didn't tie the framerate to the resolution, merely lists features that it would have which would imply 4K or 240FPS features, however these comments from the youtube video link the FPS and resolution together and using this as context you could assume that when he was discussing the PS5 with Gamingbolt he did indeed mean to describe it as 4K at 240FPS.

I've messaged him on twitter asking him to clarify what he meant, so I'll be interested to see if he responds.

[JoostinOnline]

14 hours ago, Master Disaster said:

Mere days after Linus built a $5000 PC which just about managed 200FPS @ 4K for a few frames in one game

I would like to see how games would run at non-idiotic settings though. He was running everything at Ultra, which usually doesn't even look objectively better than High or Medium. Sure it looks different, but that's not the same as better.

[Syntaxvgm]

I sure hope he means video output support. 
Keep in mind HDMI 2.1 is already 4K 120Hz IIRC, and whatever they're going for might be targeting VR., or just a high data rate in general to support more things without an upgrade (ie HDR this gen and 3D last gen) 

HDMI 2.1 supports 1440p at 240 fps as well I believe...120Hz each eye? With interpolation of course. That's a use case I can image there. 

For Dp, I can't imagine DP on a console.