The iPhone XR sold better than the iPhone X in its first month

[Bouzoo]

3 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

A low number of samples doesn't necessarily invalidate the validity of a statistical analysis so long as that sample is representative of the population. Just like how a large sample size doesn't automatically validate the results of an analysis. 

 

Whether or not the sample comes from a statically relevant group is another story.

in this case it literally is too low to conclude any validation from it, considering Apple sells tens (hundreds?) of millions of units, a sample of >0,00000165% if far, far less than relevant. By any statistics, this is not enough of a sample. For all we know it may be geographic region specific. We know that Apple tells that XR is selling like crazy, yet they are restarting the iPhone X line due to bad sales, so this raises some eyebrows. I know that I have yet to see a single XR in the wild while working for our largest carrier, while I have seen quite a few XS. That is the reason that I say it may be region specific because I am sure it is outselling the XS. 

To conclude, it can not be representative of any population with 165 consumers as a sample. And there is no argument that can make such a small sample valid. 

[goodtofufriday]

15 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

A low number of samples doesn't necessarily invalidate the validity of a statistical analysis so long as that sample is representative of the population. Just like how a large sample size doesn't automatically validate the results of an analysis. 

 

Whether or not the sample comes from a statically relevant group is another story.

Asking 165 random people on the streets of NYC. Or heck, 165 iPhone owners of nyc, wouldn't give a real world perspective. 

 

And even then. 165 10th gen iphone owners out of millions? The sample size is too small and amounts to empirical data at best. 

 

Could have happened to pick mostly iphone xr owners by chance with only 165 people. Of which we dont even know all 165 had purchased a 10th gen iphone at all. 

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, goodtofufriday said:

And even then. 165 10th gen iphone owners out of millions? The sample size is too small and amounts to empirical data at best. 

If your population was correctly distributed, you could easily create data from 165 people out of millions. 

[Vanderburg]

I'm colorblind and that chart sucks.

[goodtofufriday]

2 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

If your population was correctly distributed, you could easily create data from 165 people out of millions. 

You really mean to tell me that 0.02% of 1 million can give you relevant data to the number of iPhones sold when scaled up?

 

1 million obviously being extremely conservative.

 

It's literally useless data in any sense. 165 people could die out of 1mil from 1 disease. Doesnt mean there's an epidemic suddenly. 

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, goodtofufriday said:

It's literally useless data in any sense. 165 people could die out of 1mil from 1 disease. Doesnt mean there's an epidemic suddenly. 

Such is stats

[79wjd]

5 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

You really mean to tell me that 0.02% of 1 million can give you relevant data to the number of iPhones sold when scaled up?

Yes. 

5 minutes ago, goodtofufriday said:

It's literally useless data in any sense. 165 people could die out of 1mil from 1 disease. Doesnt mean there's an epidemic suddenly. 

It's only useless data if it's not properly distributed across the population -- which is true for a massive sample size as well.

[goodtofufriday]

6 minutes ago, 79wjd said:

Yes. 

It's only useless data if it's not properly distributed across the population -- which is true for a massive sample size as well.

https://select-statistics.co.uk/blog/importance-effect-sample-size/

[suits]

1 hour ago, Commodus said:

The iPhone X was the strongest-selling model throughout virtually its entire lifespan, and helped Apple continue year-over-year unit gains.  Some people thought it was a failure because they saw one misleading supply chain report about cutting back production and took that as gospel.

 

Also, why would you want Apple's sales to decline?  I don't know about you, but I like the thought of having real choice and competition in the smartphone market.  I don't want Google to have an absolute monopoly that strangles variety and encourages complacency.

I don't want apple to fall out, I want them to get their crap together and listen to what consumers actually want, instead of shoving what they want to do down our throats, notches, headphone jack removal, all stupid stuff that people copy because apple convices everyone its the way forward. All the while their os gets more and more unreliable, more buggy, more crashes, it's nuts. I've had an iphone since the original iphone and I've never been more frustrated than I was with the x, I switched to the note 9 and was blown away, and it's a very common story, I'd love to see a switching from ios to android chart for this year becuase of all the circles I'm in it's been quite the exodus from apple.

[DrMacintosh]

22 minutes ago, suits said:

and listen to what consumers actually want, instead of shoving what they want to do down our throats

That’s not how Apple works. They move forward and innovate by ignoring the majority of user requests. You need a vision to be successful. 

[suits]

42 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

That’s not how Apple works. They move forward and innovate by ignoring the majority of user requests. You need a vision to be successful. 

They don't innovate anymore though, they just change things to sell more product. Remove the headphone jack sell more crappy wireless headphones. Change the screen size, sell more cases and screen protectors. No one has innovate much in phones in recent history, just money grab

[DrMacintosh]

10 minutes ago, suits said:

They don't innovate anymore though, they just change things to sell more product. 

Maybe, but that is just your opinion 

[79wjd]

5 hours ago, goodtofufriday said:

https://select-statistics.co.uk/blog/importance-effect-sample-size/

Yes, a larger well distributed sample size is better than a smaller well distributed sample size. But a small well distributed sample size can still give statistically meaningful results while a poorly distributed large sample size can give you complete garbage.

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, goodtofufriday said:

You really mean to tell me that 0.02% of 1 million can give you relevant data to the number of iPhones sold when scaled up?

 

1 million obviously being extremely conservative.

 

It's literally useless data in any sense. 165 people could die out of 1mil from 1 disease. Doesnt mean there's an epidemic suddenly. 

 

I think the issue here is that while it seems that such a small number of survey respondents would yield unpredictable results, the fact is if the sample is unbiased and representative of the population then those results will scale.  What is important is the confidence interval, which can be calculated.  If the confidence level is 95% then of those 165 people you'd can reasonably expect 24 to 39 are lying about buying an XR.  Which makes the estimation by this survey to be at least 77% accurate. That's not something you'd bet on but it still gives a positive indication of ownership
 

Like all statistics though, big surveys are often just as wrong as small surveys, but for the most part they are only wrong in the way we draw conclusions as the data itself is still accurate. 

[D13H4RD]

13 hours ago, DrMacintosh said:

That’s not how Apple works. They move forward and innovate by ignoring the majority of user requests. You need a vision to be successful. 

I don't think some of it counts, to be honest. 

 

Like the headphone jack. It's been 2 years since and quite honesty, nothing much has changed aside from Bluetooth headphones now having some el-cheapo options. 

 

The assumption was that its removal would drive the adoption of wireless but from my perspective at least, it's largely been in the same place as 2016 or earlier 

 

I do credit that decision for me getting the 1000XM2 though xd

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, D13H4RD said:

The assumption was that its removal would drive the adoption of wireless

 

I don't think that was the assumption apple made, I think that was just the excuse people used to justify it happening. The problem is that a good set of headphones/earbuds should last years, 5 to 10 years,  They have got plenty of dongles to sell in that time.

[D13H4RD]

8 minutes ago, mr moose said:

I don't think that was the assumption apple made, I think that was just the excuse people used to justify it happening.

Precisely that. 

 

I still feel that this was a calculated business tactic, especially to make certain accessories look tempting 

[suicidalfranco]

3 hours ago, D13H4RD said:

Like the headphone jack. It's been 2 years since and quite honesty, nothing much has changed aside from Bluetooth headphones now having some el-cheapo options

nothing as changed

bluetooth headphones are still more expensive than their wired counterpart, still sound worse than what you can get for the same price on the wired side, brought us the mess of USB-C and everyone doing their own thing as if we went back to 1990s when everyone had their own charge and data connector, and didn't bring anything new or good to make me say: "oh yeah, this couldn't be done before"

[Commodus]

19 hours ago, suits said:

I don't want apple to fall out, I want them to get their crap together and listen to what consumers actually want, instead of shoving what they want to do down our throats, notches, headphone jack removal, all stupid stuff that people copy because apple convices everyone its the way forward. All the while their os gets more and more unreliable, more buggy, more crashes, it's nuts. I've had an iphone since the original iphone and I've never been more frustrated than I was with the x, I switched to the note 9 and was blown away, and it's a very common story, I'd love to see a switching from ios to android chart for this year becuase of all the circles I'm in it's been quite the exodus from apple.

See, I've generally had very reliable experiences with my iPhones in recent years, including my XS... worst that happened was an OS update that didn't take properly and required a restore.  That's not to delegitimize your experience, just that you might have left at a nadir for reliability and that anecdotal experience might vary.

 

Switching stats on a broad level might be hard to pin down, but IDC says Apple's global market share actually went up in the third quarter (July to September).  Shipments only increased slightly, but rivals like Samsung, Oppo and "others" (LG, Sony, HTC, etc.) saw significant drops.  So it doesn't look like people are switching in droves.

[suits]

1 hour ago, Commodus said:

See, I've generally had very reliable experiences with my iPhones in recent years, including my XS... worst that happened was an OS update that didn't take properly and required a restore.  That's not to delegitimize your experience, just that you might have left at a nadir for reliability and that anecdotal experience might vary.

 

Switching stats on a broad level might be hard to pin down, but IDC says Apple's global market share actually went up in the third quarter (July to September).  Shipments only increased slightly, but rivals like Samsung, Oppo and "others" (LG, Sony, HTC, etc.) saw significant drops.  So it doesn't look like people are switching in droves.

But that happens every year, very few new android phones come out in the 3rd quarter. They come out in the beginning of the year or the end of the year

[xtroria]

On 12/29/2018 at 1:01 AM, suits said:

I don't want apple to fall out, I want them to get their crap together and listen to what consumers actually want, instead of shoving what they want to do down our throats, notches, headphone jack removal, all stupid stuff that people copy because apple convices everyone its the way forward. All the while their os gets more and more unreliable, more buggy, more crashes, it's nuts. I've had an iphone since the original iphone and I've never been more frustrated than I was with the x, I switched to the note 9 and was blown away, and it's a very common story, I'd love to see a switching from ios to android chart for this year becuase of all the circles I'm in it's been quite the exodus from apple.

Well that's your story. 

 

For me I switched from owning either pure android and oneplus one to an iPhone 7 and I ended up buying XS Max as an upgrade.

 

I dont want to buy a $1000 hardware. You can easily switch that note 9 to a oneplus 6T and you will still be very happy, a phone that costs more or less half of the note 9. I paid $1000 for a phone and I'm getting one of the best hardware in the market along with guaranteed software support, store networks around the world that I can always go to for repairs & other problem, along with a great used selling price

[suits]

38 minutes ago, xtroria said:

Well that's your story. 

 

For me I switched from owning either pure android and oneplus one to an iPhone 7 and I ended up buying XS Max as an upgrade.

 

I dont want to buy a $1000 hardware. You can easily switch that note 9 to a oneplus 6T and you will still be very happy, a phone that costs more or less half of the note 9. I paid $1000 for a phone and I'm getting one of the best hardware in the market along with guaranteed software support, store networks around the world that I can always go to for repairs & other problem, along with a great used selling price

No I wouldn't, because one plus followed Apple and got rid of the head phone jack, which I use for hours every single day. There are those of us who are musicians by profession and blue tooth is just so horrible sounding comparatively, not to mention other problems with it

[Morgan MLGman]

On 12/28/2018 at 7:24 PM, DrMacintosh said:

That’s not how Apple works. They move forward and innovate by ignoring the majority of user requests. You need a vision to be successful. 

How are the iPhone XS, XS Max and the XR innovative in your opinion over the iPhone X? Definitely not the design and performance because that's virtually the same in the real world, so does something else make them "a step forward" for Apple that I'm not aware of?

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, Morgan MLGman said:

How are the iPhone XS, XS Max and the XR innovative in your opinion over the iPhone X? 

I was more talking about Apple overall, and not necessarily in specific products on the market. 

 

Though the iPhone X was innovative in its OLED screen curving tech where the display actually folds over onto itself, allowing for thin bezels and no other phone has that tech if I’m not mistaken. As for the latest models, the X/R/s/Max added smart HDR for photo and video which is industry leading, though idk if it counts as innovative....but it’s an S year, not really the time where all the innovating takes place. 

[PirateHashNinja]

The Iphone XR is the only thing that kept me from switching to an android device this year. Can't say I'm as wowed by this one as my past iphones, but the difference in processor performance from my 6s plus is enough that I'm not regretting the purchase. The much better battery life is a big bonus too. Still feeling doubtful that I'll be buying another iphone in the future if they keep trying to push their phones into the 1k range.