You thought GTX 1060 was confusing? You've seen nothing. Enter RTX 2060 and 6 variants of the same card

[pas008]

4 hours ago, mr moose said:

If your buying a car and you don't know the difference between awd and fwd then ask someone.  If you don't it's your fault, not anyone else's. I've said this like 5 times now to 5 different people.

 

It is an incredibly poor idea to suggest we need to dumb down products and give everyone less options to save stupid customers from themselves.  You know what that style of thinking is called? That is socialist communism, where everyone has the one option of car, fridge, pc, etc. no thanks.  If I go to buy a product I don't know anything about I'll either ask someone who does know or I'll research it myself.   That's how it should be, not removing choices from consumers because some people refuse to look into what they're purchasing.

Wait you are scandalous

I wanted moose proof

I was lied to

Hahaha

My buying should be protected

 

Lol sorry I'm slow my kiddo is sick after having flu shot 2 months later

 

No one talks about how my kids might be sick but not 102 deathly and he is winning

We won

Not panicking

But vaccine your kids

Makes shit worse fuckers 

 

[Lathlaer]

15 hours ago, mr moose said:

Don't know what?   If your looking at two products and you have no idea how they are different what do you do?

Here is my problem with that reasoning: it only works when you compare two similar GPU's in one store. I don't know how stuff works in the US but in my country at any given moment I could type in "ASUS GTX 1080ti Strix" and what I would get was a generated list of 7-10 online shops where each had different price for the same product. And it was always the norm here. The price range was anything between 10 up to 30 USD. Simply put, the same product was sometimes cheaper in various places.

 

So no, when a person sees a 2060 for price X and then another 2060 for price Y, the immediate thought will not be that something is off and further research is necessary but that they just found the online store with a better deal. Why? Because historically it has always been so. Of course you can argue that the issue lies with the online stores themselves but let's not pretend that NVIDIA isn't encouraging this.

 

Ultimately I am annoyed at them for the one reason I mentioned earlier: the GPP explanation which made it seem like they were thoughtful for gamers who can't distinguish an ROG Strix Radeon from an ROG Strix Geforce card while at the same time introducing watered down versions of the same GPU. 

 

Also, I have nothing against them introducing more options for customers. Intruduce away, be my guest. The English language is very rich though and I refuse to believe that they are forced to make all those GPU versions under the same "RTX 2060" umbrella. 

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, Lathlaer said:

Here is my problem with that reasoning: it only works when you compare two similar GPU's in one store. I don't know how stuff works in the US but in my country at any given moment I could type in "ASUS GTX 1080ti Strix" and what I would get was a generated list of 7-10 online shops where each had different price for the same product. And it was always the norm here. The price range was anything between 10 up to 30 USD. Simply put, the same product was sometimes cheaper in various places.

If the product is the same then that's just normal price variation between retailers. I've seen that get upto $150.  Not sure why that is a problem with what I am saying.

1 hour ago, Lathlaer said:

So no, when a person sees a 2060 for price X and then another 2060 for price Y, the immediate thought will not be that something is off and further research is necessary but that they just found the online store with a better deal. Why? Because historically it has always been so. Of course you can argue that the issue lies with the online stores themselves but let's not pretend that NVIDIA isn't encouraging this.

Again I don't see the problem here, there is a price difference and someone does their research only to discover it's just retail variation.   They buy the correct one.

 

1 hour ago, Lathlaer said:

Ultimately I am annoyed at them for the one reason I mentioned earlier: the GPP explanation which made it seem like they were thoughtful for gamers who can't distinguish an ROG Strix Radeon from an ROG Strix Geforce card while at the same time introducing watered down versions of the same GPU. 

That's nice and all, but it's also irrelevant.  Either the consumer can educate themselves and seek help for purchases they know nothing about oir they refuse to. the existence of GPP or multiple options doesn't stop that nor is the later being common a reason not to have multiple options.

1 hour ago, Lathlaer said:

Also, I have nothing against them introducing more options for customers. Intruduce away, be my guest.

Then why spend so much time telling me you have a problem with it?

1 hour ago, Lathlaer said:

The English language is very rich though and I refuse to believe that they are forced to make all those GPU versions under the same "RTX 2060" umbrella. 

You don't have to believe it. They are not being forced,   they are doing it voluntarily because some consumers like it and it clearly sells.  And unless you find them doing something illegal I am not sure why you would have an issue.

[mr moose]

7 hours ago, pas008 said:

Wait you are scandalous

I wanted moose proof

I was lied to

Hahaha

My buying should be protected

 

Lol sorry I'm slow my kiddo is sick after having flu shot 2 months later

 

No one talks about how my kids might be sick but not 102 deathly and he is winning

We won

Not panicking

But vaccine your kids

Makes shit worse fuckers 

 

?? I don't get it,   I hope your kids get better soon.

[Lathlaer]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

Then why spend so much time telling me you have a problem with it?

You seriously asking this?

 

This is, like, my 2nd or 3rd post in the whole discussion and it's already getting weird. I believe that saying that I have no problem with extra options and that I have a problem with the way those options are presented are not mutually exclusive. How is that not clear?

 

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

That's nice and all, but it's also irrelevant.  Either the consumer can educate themselves and seek help for purchases they know nothing about oir they refuse to. the existence of GPP or multiple options doesn't stop that nor is the later being common a reason not to have multiple options.

Again, see above.

 

Multiple options - OK

 

The way those options are presented - NOT OK.

[Lathlaer]

1 hour ago, mr moose said:

And unless you find them doing something illegal I am not sure why you would have an issue.

Because legality of one's action isn't the only criteria based of which one's action can be judged

[mr moose]

5 hours ago, Lathlaer said:

You seriously asking this?

 

This is, like, my 2nd or 3rd post in the whole discussion and it's already getting weird. I believe that saying that I have no problem with extra options and that I have a problem with the way those options are presented are not mutually exclusive. How is that not clear?

You posted 3 paragraphs arguing that options aren't good because the price varies and becasue you think GPP has some relevance here.  Unless a product is illegally labeled how do you conclude that GPP has any relevance?

5 hours ago, Lathlaer said:

Again, see above.

 

Multiple options - OK

 

The way those options are presented - NOT OK.

What do you mean presented?  Have you seen the boxes and website entries for these cards? They haven't even been released yet you claim they are being presented in a manor that somehow isn't illegal but is unethical or immoral. 

 

I'm sorry but I need something a little more substantial to buy any of that.

5 hours ago, Lathlaer said:

Because legality of one's action isn't the only criteria based of which one's action can be judged

Judge what exactly?  so far all you have said is too many options are a problem but your ok with options and GPP is the reason you don't like it.

[D13H4RD]

To be quite honest, they aren't going to remove SKUs just because we nerds don't like it, despite the relative redundancy it could bring, especially if the difference between the different SKUs don't amount to anything significant. 

 

The only time where they'll probably start doing so is when that redundancy starts to affect sales in a negative way. Which is probably what happened to Samsung and its infamous smartphone product line in its early years, with a plethora of devices that covered literally every market nook and cranny. 

[mr moose]

28 minutes ago, D13H4RD said:

To be quite honest, they aren't going to remove SKUs just because we nerds don't like it, despite the relative redundancy it could bring, especially if the difference between the different SKUs don't amount to anything significant. 

 

The only time where they'll probably start doing so is when that redundancy starts to affect sales in a negative way. Which is probably what happened to Samsung and its infamous smartphone product line in its early years, with a plethora of devices that covered literally every market nook and cranny. 

I know when I am looking at GPU's, saving $10 is always worth a second look.  That's why I bought an rx570, it was cheaper and still performed adequately, if nvidia want more sales then they are going to have to give consumers something in between the XX60 and the XX50. Hell they are going to have to offer something as cheap as the 570.  It was cheaper than a 1050ti yet performs pretty close to the 1060 3G , if people think that doesn't present a bit of a market issue for nvidia going forward then I don't know what to say.