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You thought GTX 1060 was confusing? You've seen nothing. Enter RTX 2060 and 6 variants of the same card

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15 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

It specifies which generation directly: "Seventh-generation dual-core Intel Core i5", and "Quad-core Intel Core i5 processor".

 

Then you must have pasted the wrong  link.  Because all I can see on that page is "Apple MacBook Pro 13-inch 128GB (Space Grey)" and nothing about the CPU unless I read under "Key Features" on the actual product page.

 

but to take a better example, Amazon and there it looks something like this:

Apple MacBook Pro (13 Inch Retina, 2.3 GHz dual-Core Intel Core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD)

 

If you look at different 1060 models as an example:

Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1060 WF2 3GB GDDR5 PCI-E, Black
Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1060 WF2 6GB GDDR5 PCI-E - Black

 

For me personally the MacBook Pro listing are much more confusing since I get no clue what CPU I get, both have same core clock @2.3GHz but different boosts.  And this is from a product with only 5 different combinations, as I said before there is those with over 16 different combinations but still have the same model name.

 

Edit:

Was bit quick there, missed the core count.  But if search some on Amazon you will see what I mena.

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10 minutes ago, Kroon said:

 

Then you must have pasted the wrong  link.  Because all I can see on that page is "Apple MacBook Pro 13-inch 128GB (Space Grey)" and nothing about the CPU unless I read under "Key Features" on the actual product page.

 

but to take a better example, Amazon and there it looks something like this:

Apple MacBook Pro (13 Inch Retina, 2.3 GHz dual-Core Intel Core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD)

 

If you look at different 1060 models as an example:

Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1060 WF2 3GB GDDR5 PCI-E, Black
Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1060 WF2 6GB GDDR5 PCI-E - Black

 

For me personally the MacBook Pro listing are much more confusing since I get no clue what CPU I get, both have same core clock @2.3GHz but different boosts.  And this is from a product with only 5 different combinations, as I said before there is those with over 16 different combinations but still have the same model name.

 

 

Its the correct link. Works just fine.

Edit: Even in IE:

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Also, if you go to buy one from Apple.....
https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro

Its also very clear what you are getting.

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5 minutes ago, Kroon said:

 

Then you must have pasted the wrong  link.  Because all I can see on that page is "Apple MacBook Pro 13-inch 128GB (Space Grey)" and nothing about the CPU unless I read under "Key Features" on the actual product page.

 

but to take a better example, Amazon and there it looks something like this:

Apple MacBook Pro (13 Inch Retina, 2.3 GHz dual-Core Intel Core i5, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD)

 

If you look at different 1060 models as an example:

Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1060 WF2 3GB GDDR5 PCI-E, Black
Gigabyte Nvidia GTX 1060 WF2 6GB GDDR5 PCI-E - Black

 

For me personally the MacBook Pro listing are much more confusing since I get no clue what CPU I get, both have same core clock @2.3GHz but different boosts.  And this is from a product with only 5 different combinations, as I said before there is those with over 16 different combinations but still have the same model name.

 

 

Many phones are described like this too,  How many times in the products description is the processor listed simply as a "quad core 1.3Ghz"?   I don't know how many different quad core processors there are that can run at 1.3 but I am betting it's more than 6. 

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On 1/4/2019 at 5:25 AM, Peskanova said:

On gta V at high settings it consumes like 2,5gb and yes those 1060 3gb are meant to sell to non techy people?  dafuk those 3gb are one of the biggest missleadings on nvidia , you see 1050ti 4gb and 1060 3gb and some people told me , well it's better 4gb than 3 ...

I'm sorry, what's your point? I said modern games use a lot of VRAM and then you said something about a last gen title.

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2 hours ago, JZStudios said:

I'm sorry, what's your point? I said modern games use a lot of VRAM and then you said something about a last gen title.

The PC version of GTA V could be counted as a modern game since it's very demanding. And besides, PS4 and Xbox One are last gen now?

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I don't know about you, but I won't complicate myself with all of these variants.

 

all I know is the 2060 will be great, cheap, and rock 1080p at 60fps. That's great for me (i actively avoid 4K displays, makes me thing I'm about to go blind)

 

Here, I found some info about the 2060's performance. Hope it helps you!

 

https://www.technewstoday.com/nvidia-rtx-2060-launching-on-january-2019/

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8 minutes ago, Zeta90 said:

all I know is the 2060 will be great, cheap, and rock 1080p at 60fps.

But which 2060?

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7 minutes ago, Zeta90 said:

I don't know about you, but I won't complicate myself with all of these variants.

 

all I know is the 2060 will be great, cheap, and rock 1080p at 60fps. That's great for me (i actively avoid 4K displays, makes me thing I'm about to go blind)

 

Here, I found some info about the 2060's performance. Hope it helps you!

 

https://www.technewstoday.com/nvidia-rtx-2060-launching-on-january-2019/

As a comparison, MSRP for GTX 1060 was for $299. Listing online on a Canadian store puts it at ~$395. MSRP for 1070 was $449. That's not cheap.

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4 hours ago, MysteriousAeon said:

The PC version of GTA V could be counted as a modern game since it's very demanding. And besides, PS4 and Xbox One are last gen now?

No, the PS3 and 360 are. Y'know, the consoles GTAV was launched on?

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1 hour ago, duncannah said:

You get more options, what's wrong with that?

Apparently with great options comes great power, and as we know with great power comes great corruption, so it is logical to assume more options=corruption.

/s

 

 

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1 hour ago, duncannah said:

You get more options, what's wrong with that?

When has anyone complained about there being more options? Not how they are presented?

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On 1/4/2019 at 1:18 AM, mr moose said:

You can ask

Yea, me and you, but what about the rest of the world who dont know?

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41 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

When has anyone complained about there being more options? Not how they are presented?

A few people have back at the start, they made the claims that more options was intrinsically going to lead to consumers paying more for less.

Some arguments made in this thread already:

 

1. it is intentionally confusing so people will buy the most expensive.

2. only techies research and the 2060 is not marketed to techies

3. directly referencing nvidia with multiple options: how can anyone think this is remotely acceptable?

4. then a whole bunch of arguments that the GPU itself will be different and misleading even though they haven't even been released.

 

Honestly, this thread is a clusterfuck of assumptions and projections.  Until we actually see them release three very different GPU's with the same name and no way to differentiate them,  then it's all people making assumptions and claims about how bad it is to have options.

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1 minute ago, Canada EH said:

Yea, me and you, but what about the rest of the world who dont know?

Don't know what?   If your looking at two products and you have no idea how they are different what do you do? do you guess what the difference is or do you ask someone who does know the difference?  If you do the later you are a wise shopper, if you do the first you are a fool and depriving the rest of the world of more options so fools don't make mistakes is not good.

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2 hours ago, mr moose said:

A few people have back at the start, they made the claims that more options was intrinsically going to lead to consumers paying more for less.

Some arguments made in this thread already:

 

1. it is intentionally confusing so people will buy the most expensive.

2. only techies research and the 2060 is not marketed to techies

3. directly referencing nvidia with multiple options: how can anyone think this is remotely acceptable?

4. then a whole bunch of arguments that the GPU itself will be different and misleading even though they haven't even been released.

 

Honestly, this thread is a clusterfuck of assumptions and projections.  Until we actually see them release three very different GPU's with the same name and no way to differentiate them,  then it's all people making assumptions and claims about how bad it is to have options.

It's not the consumers fault to tell the difference on vehicles right?

When vehicle models are labelled same but awd or fwd are completely different

But car enthusiast and savvy consumers know and check specs

Fuck even tv models are 1 number different at the end in some cases but lack shit load of features

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2 hours ago, pas008 said:

It's not the consumers fault to tell the difference on vehicles right?

When vehicle models are labelled same but awd or fwd are completely different

But car enthusiast and savvy consumers know and check specs

Fuck even tv models are 1 number different at the end in some cases but lack shit load of features

If your buying a car and you don't know the difference between awd and fwd then ask someone.  If you don't it's your fault, not anyone else's. I've said this like 5 times now to 5 different people.

 

It is an incredibly poor idea to suggest we need to dumb down products and give everyone less options to save stupid customers from themselves.  You know what that style of thinking is called? That is socialist communism, where everyone has the one option of car, fridge, pc, etc. no thanks.  If I go to buy a product I don't know anything about I'll either ask someone who does know or I'll research it myself.   That's how it should be, not removing choices from consumers because some people refuse to look into what they're purchasing.

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It's an average card dude...was meant for 1080p and light 1440p....it's not a 4k card...but they're saying the 2060 is trading blows with the 1070.

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1 hour ago, JRzoid said:

.but they're saying the 2060 is trading blows with the 1070.

That would line up with every other improvement iteration we've seen,  maybe just not in price, but then we don't know much about the 2060 yet so I'll hold judgement on that for now.

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6 hours ago, mr moose said:

Don't know what?   If your looking at two products and you have no idea how they are different what do you do? do you guess what the difference is or do you ask someone who does know the difference?  If you do the later you are a wise shopper, if you do the first you are a fool and depriving the rest of the world of more options so fools don't make mistakes is not good.

How often do you run into people who claim to know or feel pressured to know and then answer falsefully? (In the case of going to a retail store).

 

Also, there isnt a lack of choice. Youve got different tiered cards across the board with better labeled differences between them. We dont have 2 cards where one is 1200$ and the other 200$. 

 

This is about the notion of 6 different variants of presumably similarly priced cards. (Gddr6 is expencive compared to gddr5, though i doubt we will see more than 50$ between them)

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1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

How often do you run into people who claim to know or feel pressured to know and then answer falsefully? (In the case of going to a retail store).

What's that have to do with anything?  Are you thoroughly convinced everyone is incapable of properly researching a purchase? 

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

Also, there isnt a lack of choice. Youve got different tiered cards across the board with better labeled differences between them. We dont have 2 cards where one is 1200$ and the other 200$. 

That doesn't change what I said,  The idea of forcing companies to remove product options from the market because some people can't be bothered to educate themselves before making a purchase is ill thought through.  Why should I have my options  reduced because some moron doesn't want to educate themselves?

1 minute ago, GoldenLag said:

This is about the notion of 6 different variants of presumably similarly priced cards. (Gddr6 is expencive compared to gddr5, though i doubt we will see more than 50$ between them)

And?  I couldn't care if there were ten options with only $5 between them, the principal is the same, you don't force the market to reduce options and products  just becasue you want to protect people from themselves. 

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1 minute ago, mr moose said:

What's that have to do with anything?  Are you thoroughly convinced everyone is incapable of properly researching a purchase? 

not everyone, but from what experience i have and what ive heard from others, there is a large amount of people who really dont know what they ends up buying and what the difference actually is between them. i wont argue how many, but it is undoubtably an issue for people. 

 

4 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That doesn't change what I said,  The idea of forcing companies to remove product options from the market because some people can't be bothered to educate themselves before making a purchase is ill thought through.  Why should I have my options  reduced because some moron doesn't want to educate themselves?

very good point, but im going to side with the lesser educated purschasers as i feel as that is the best way for the industry to move and the best for consumers. 

 

also, how much are your options actually reduced if they removed multiple of the versions. 

 

7 minutes ago, mr moose said:

And?  I couldn't care if there were ten options with only $5 between them, the principal is the same, you don't force the market to reduce options and products  just becasue you want to protect people from themselves. 

i see what you are getting at, but i draw a line when too many products from the same company overlap each other.

 

i guess ill agree to disagree on this one

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Just now, GoldenLag said:

not everyone, but from what experience i have and what ive heard from others, there is a large amount of people who really dont know what they ends up buying and what the difference actually is between them. i wont argue how many, but it is undoubtably an issue for people. 

 

Then they need to change the way they shop.   They need to stop buying stuff they don't understand.

Just now, GoldenLag said:

very good point, but im going to side with the lesser educated purschasers as i feel as that is the best way for the industry to move and the best for consumers. 

No , the best way to move forward is to educate the lesser educated, and if you can't then there is no hope for them. They are doomed to waste their money on foolish purchasers the rest of their life.

Just now, GoldenLag said:

also, how much are your options actually reduced if they removed multiple of the versions. 

By the number of versions they remove.

 

Just now, GoldenLag said:

i see what you are getting at, but i draw a line when too many products from the same company overlap each other.

I don't see that as being an important metric, if it doesn't make sense to you or I then that is one thing, but who are we to decide if that product should be made unavailable to someone else?

Just now, GoldenLag said:

i guess ill agree to disagree on this one

Always the most amicable way.

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1 minute ago, mr moose said:

Always the most amicable way.

well, its either that or continue arguing over something we have quite different ideas about how it should be handled. and in the end not reach anything as we are back at the beginning. 

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