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ISP Faces ‘Net Neutrality’ Investigation For Pirate Site Blocking Retaliation

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Posted · Original PosterOP

https://torrentfreak.com/isp-faces-net-neutrality-investigation-for-pirate-site-blocking-retaliation-181217/

 

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After being ordered to block a number of piracy-related domains following a complaint from academic publisher Elsevier, Swedish ISP Bahnhof retaliated by semi-blocking Elsevier's own website and barring the court from visiting Bahnhof.se. Those actions have now prompted Sweden's telecoms watchdog to initiate an inquiry to determine whether the ISP breached net neutrality rules.

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Speaking with TorrentFreak, Karlung says the situation can be interpreted as “the essence” of irony.

“Bahnhof gets a legal threat to block sites out there somewhere on this huge computer network called the Internet. We block the sites because in reality there is no legal chance to win cases against the copyright mob, since the judge and court are corrupt, and it also comes with a package of astronomic fines,” he explains.

Karlung says that the PTS appears most interested in the ‘counter-blocking’ of Elsevier, which he characterizes as a “fine opportunity” to tell people about the dangers of site-blocking which targets “the soul and core” of the Internet.

“[Blocking] also jeopardizes the principle for ISP’s to be able to operate services. The ISP can never be responsible for content, or what people are doing somewhere out there on the Internet.”

 

Its not a huge story so this opinion gonna be extra short :D . So elsevier got a treat of their own medicine and now they dont like it it would seem. I think they deserve it(and possibly more) for being a parasitic life from that is kept alive by outdated(/"paid for") regulations. Unfortunately i dont think Bahnhof can win this, but best of luck to them.

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1 minute ago, SkyHound0202 said:

Elsevier?

Ever heard of Sci-Hub?

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At the time, CEO Jon Karlung told TorrentFreak that the “horrifying” decision, which targets Sci-Hub domains including sci-hub.tw, sci-hub.mu, sci-hub.se, libgen.io, “goes against the soul of the Internet.”

 

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20 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

targets Sci-Hub domains

ISP would violate Article 3 of EU Regulation 2015/2120 if they decide to block these sites or any other site, regardless of the nature of the site(s).

Particularly, blocking Sci-Hub is unjustifiable since user can claim that they use that site for "educational and scientific purposes", which should be exempted according to Directive 2001/29/EC.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
1 minute ago, SkyHound0202 said:

ISP would violate Article 3 of EU Regulation 2015/2120 if they decide to block these sites or any other site, regardless of the nature of the site(s).

Particularly, blocking Sci-Hub is unjustifiable since user can claim that they use that site for "educational and scientific purposes", which should be exempted according to Directive 2001/29/EC.

Unless there is a court order ordering them to do so, which happened in this case. (Read the source.)

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43 minutes ago, jagdtigger said:

Unless there is a court order ordering them to do so, which happened in this case. (Read the source.)

Courts do illegal things all the time.  Then the rulings they make are taken to Court and struck down...all the time.  So while the order was lawful at the time (and the Company has to follow that Order until otherwise called unlawful), they can NOW countersue once this is all over and the State will pay up...happens all the time in the US.


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As if blocking torrent sites do anything.


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Posted · Original PosterOP
3 hours ago, williamcll said:

As if blocking torrent sites do anything.

The sites in question arent torrent sites, those are actually hosting the content.

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The internet needs to be open, no court anywhere should have the power to force an ISP or upstream provider to block access to any website. If the website is illegal then the courts should use their power to take the website offline, not have it blocked. Target the hosting provider, not the service provider. (And I say this as an owner of a hosting provider.)


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20 hours ago, RorzNZ said:

Just bundle a VPN with an ISP subscription lol

no. the ISP would most definitely want a peephole in their own VPN implementation

(heck, facebook owns a VPN company. guess what was done)

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2 hours ago, VegetableStu said:

no. the ISP would most definitely want a peephole in their own VPN implementation

(heck, facebook owns a VPN company. guess what was done)

I honestly don't think Bahnhof is interested in a peephole. Their whole brand is built on "internet with secrecy".

 

Their free vpn was a response to a court ruling demanding Bahnhof to release customer IP information. Having a peephole in it would kinda defeat the purpose for it even existing. And I believe they are still fighting that court ruling. 

 

If it was any other ISP I would agree with you. But given the history Bahnhof is probably the most trustworth ISP I've ever heard of.

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