Intel launching H270 rebrand called B365 due to 14nm production problems

[NelizMastr]

So more Intel production problems as they just announced the B365 chipset, produced using 22nm lithography.

 

According to Tom's Hardware:

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As Intel continues its 14nm struggles, the Santa Clara chipmaker has launched the new B365 chipset. It's basically the B360 chipset purportedly produced under the 22nm manufacturing process and the Kaby Lake Platform Controller Hub (PCH).

So now we have a Kaby lake PCH on a Coffee Lake chipset, this isn't going to get confusing at all  

 

Some features are lost due to this, such as USB 3.1 support and native Wi-Fi implementations, as shown below:

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This is almost a perfect match with the existing Intel H270 chipset except this time, it's for Coffee Lake CPUs instead. Also interesting to note the B365 chipset brings back RAID support, which is completely absent on B360. This would make the B365 chipset a nice option for a cheap home server or NAS box. At least if the boards will be similarly priced and specced.

 

It would seem Intel is starting to get into production problems to such a degree that they need the capacity of the foundries used for chipset production for CPUs instead, so they're giving us Kaby Lake chipsets modded for Coffee Lake, in the shape of the H310C and B365.

 

It'd be nice to know if they already stopped producing Z370 as I'd imagine it doesn't need to exist anymore now that Z390 is around. Does anyone know if they were produced side by side or not?

[Dabombinable]

At least its not completely crap the way H310 is.

[Master Disaster]

Things really are not looking good for Intel.

[NelizMastr]

1 minute ago, Master Disaster said:

Things really are not looking good for Intel.

This is a case of desperation. What's next? Rebranded X58 for HEDT?  

[Master Disaster]

1 minute ago, NelizMastr said:

This is a case of desperation. What's next? Rebranded X58 for HEDT?  

100% agreed, AMD didn't just stir up the hive, they smashed it open, kidnapped the queen and framed Intel for doing it.

 

It's a great lesson in what happens if you get to the top then sit on ass and do nothing.

[NelizMastr]

9 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

100% agreed, AMD didn't just stir up the hive, they smashed it open, kidnapped the queen and framed Intel for doing it.

 

It's a great lesson in what happens if you get to the top then sit on ass and do nothing.

Which makes me even more curious about AMD's unveiling of Ryzen 3/ Zen2 at CES. If the rumors are even remotely true, it's really going to be

Athlon 64 all over again.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

so now they're selling a year old stuff as new? 

[porina]

Similar strategy as Zen2's IO die, even if for very different reasons leading up to it. If they get away with older process for the same user experience, why not? Obviously this is a lower end chipset for the masses who don't really care about being cutting edge and they're not going to notice any difference.

[AlTech]

Just now, porina said:

Similar strategy as Zen2's IO die, even if for very different reasons leading up to it. If they get away with older process for the same user experience, why not? Obviously this is a lower end chipset for the masses who don't really care about being cutting edge and they're not going to notice any difference.

Lack of USB3.1 support and lack of WiFi are fairly noticeable.

[AlTech]

Oooof. Intel needs to step up their game.

[porina]

2 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Lack of USB3.1 support and lack of WiFi are fairly noticeable.

Outside of some power users, most probably wont notice the difference between 3.0 and 3.1, if they even have any devices pushing the bandwidth. On the WiFi side, there's been implementations since forever before any chipset integration. Maybe there'll be a minor cost consideration on implementation on the latter.

[NelizMastr]

23 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

so now they're selling a year old stuff as new? 

I thought only Apple was allowed to do that    jk

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

I thought only Apple was allowed to do that    jk

well Apple still sells the old macbook air, with a 5th gen cpu for $999... so there's that. 

[Settlerteo]

1 hour ago, NelizMastr said:

Athlon 64 all over again

Oh that was the King!! 
Can't wait for this to happen.

[Dabombinable]

40 minutes ago, AluminiumTech said:

Lack of USB3.1 support and lack of WiFi are fairly noticeable.

For a lot of people, the majority of their USB devices are still 2.0, with the newest only using 3.0 and even then not that heavily. Lacking 3.1 is only a serious problem for high end chipsets or devices with 1-2 USB ports total.

[yolosnail]

16 minutes ago, Dabombinable said:

For a lot of people, the majority of their USB devices are still 2.0, with the newest only using 3.0 and even then not that heavily. Lacking 3.1 is only a serious problem for high end chipsets or devices with 1-2 USB ports total.

The only thing I have that runs off USB 3.x is an external hard drive, a couple flash drives and a USB to VGA adapter. Even then I could easily get away with the flash drives being USB 2.0 with the little amount of data that I use them for.

 

[NelizMastr]

Just now, yolosnail said:

The only thing I have that runs off USB 3.x is an external hard drive, a couple flash drives and a USB to VGA adapter. Even then I could easily get away with the flash drives being USB 2.0 with the little amount of data that I use them for.

 

Yeah USB 3.0 is only useful for devices that absolutely need the bandwidth, like storage, video adapters and peripherals like capture cards. For the most part I'd be fine with USB 2 as well. For 3.1 gen 2 you'd actually need like external SSDs, and not just SATA ones, bloody PCIe ones.

[asus killer]

as long as the price reflects the lack of 3.1 and wifi who cares? if you want those features buy another mobo, nothing new. seems like a excuse to shit on intel this time.

[NelizMastr]

2 minutes ago, asus killer said:

seems like a excuse to shit on intel this time.

Complain to Tom's Hardware then. 

 

I'd also wager the prices won't change much. At least we know the reason when H310 and B360 boards start going up in price or disappear completely in the near future.

[asus killer]

20 minutes ago, NelizMastr said:

Complain to Tom's Hardware then. 

 

I'd also wager the prices won't change much. At least we know the reason when H310 and B360 boards start going up in price or disappear completely in the near future.

it wasn't against you. But i have no interest Intel becomes uncompetitive even if I've always been partial to team red, or we'll just exchange one monopoly for another.

[pas008]

how is this an intel problem?

they been reworking chipsets always or just adding for new gen

 

if intel was prepared for the huge increase in sales all around they would have blown the doors open

but they only prepared for average year which cost them alot of money

hence why they had stock problems

 

 

[porina]

3 minutes ago, pas008 said:

if intel was prepared for the huge increase in sales all around they would have blown the doors open

but they only prepared for average year which cost them alot of money

hence why they had stock problems

Their problems aren't they didn't expect to sell more, the problem is they can't make more as they're maxed out on manufacturing (at least at 14nm). Hence resorting to making lower importance stuff on older process tech while they get their stuff together on 10nm and 7nm.

[pas008]

1 hour ago, porina said:

Their problems aren't they didn't expect to sell more, the problem is they can't make more as they're maxed out on manufacturing (at least at 14nm). Hence resorting to making lower importance stuff on older process tech while they get their stuff together on 10nm and 7nm.

i know they have other fabs up for 10/7 which is why they werent able to meet demand

if you look at the shortages is becuz they didnt forecast as big as a demand while they were transitioning

 

am I thinking correctly?

[samcool55]

33 minutes ago, pas008 said:

i know they have other fabs up for 10/7 which is why they werent able to meet demand

if you look at the shortages is becuz they didnt forecast as big as a demand while they were transitioning

 

am I thinking correctly?

Yes and no, Intel switched to 10nm assuming they could use it to mass-produce cpu's by now. But they can't.

Changing node takes months so it has to be done in advance and it's not worth to switch those 10/7nm fabs back to 14nm and then back to 10nm again because that would cost a lot of time and money. So for now the 10nm fabs mainly are barely producing anything because they basically can't produce decent cpu's with it.

 

They produce cpu's, don't get me wrong, but they aren't faster than their 14nm bothers (i think slighty slower like a few% ?) and also use more power (i think) so they are basically worse than what's already available. Also yields are probably quite trash as well because it's a new node and it takes years to master.

[AnonymousGuy]

 

7 hours ago, yolosnail said:

The only thing I have that runs off USB 3.x is an external hard drive, a couple flash drives and a USB to VGA adapter. Even then I could easily get away with the flash drives being USB 2.0 with the little amount of data that I use them for.

 

 

Exact same boat.  I don't have a single USB 3.0 device in my house, let alone USB 3.1.  Storage?  I have a server and 10Gbit, don't need external drives.  Everything else that might use that bandwidth I have running off PCIe slots.   If anything I want more USB 2.0 ports and headers and shit on my Z390 motherboard instead of 3.1, because that's what I actually need.

 

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Things really are not looking good for Intel.

 

If by not looking good you mean "selling every wafer that is produced at 2x the profit margin that AMD has" then yeah things are just awful for Intel.  This isn't a capacity decrease problem, it's a demand increase problem.