Russia threatens to ban Google

[williamcll]

I don't think Russia could build a local internet ecosystem like china could.

[Canada EH]

10 hours ago, Denis Rakhmanov said:

Because Russian laws are stupid and anti-human

Yes and Democratic laws are never stupid. LOL

Kidding aside

Gotta blame someone

[Adams990]

[Granular]

23 hours ago, Speed Weed said:

UBlock Origin can though. Here is an example of someone tried to block all Facebook tracking and fingerprinting on reddit.

That's just blocking third party sources. You can't use that to block first party fingerprinting.

[Speed Weed]

2 minutes ago, Granular said:

That's just blocking third party sources. You can't use that to block first party fingerprinting.

You can block 1st party script and all in advanced settings. 

 

Edit: picture upload

 

[Granular]

9 minutes ago, Speed Weed said:

You can block 1st party script and all in advanced settings.

Block first party scripts and more often than not, pages won't render. Yeah, you can probably manually examine each script and block or override some of their parts, but that's too much work for anyone.

[Eaglerino]

10 hours ago, Canada EH said:

Yes and Democratic laws are never stupid. LOL

Kidding aside

Gotta blame someone

the glaring difference is you can change them without the KGB imprisoning your family

[sof006]

Russia... You pay for internet access but don't get internet access

[thorhammerz]

22 hours ago, mr moose said:

We live in dangerous times. 

 

Although to put a positive spin on it, with countries taking a more cloak and dagger/electronic approach to international survival and maintaining control, we can fear less about a physical 3rd world war.  

Sabotage can only do so much until a less-than-stable country (with guns and maybe nukes) finds itself out of something it really needs (oil, markets, raw materials, or physical security, or most of the above) .

[mr moose]

22 hours ago, thorhammerz said:

Sabotage can only do so much until a less-than-stable country (with guns and maybe nukes) finds itself out of something it really needs (oil, markets, raw materials, or physical security, or most of the above) .

That's assuming sabotage is even the goal.  We watch countries that used to be communist slowly become capitalists and loosen the constraints of dictatorial rule in order to reap the befits of global trade.   Given enough time most countries will find the middle ground where they are no threat to others and therefore not a threat to others.

[thorhammerz]

40 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That's assuming sabotage is even the goal.  We watch countries that used to be communist slowly become capitalists and loosen the constraints of dictatorial rule in order to reap the befits of global trade. 

That of course, assumes the portion in bold will remain intact going forward into the future .

 

40 minutes ago, mr moose said:

Given enough time most countries will find the middle ground where they are no threat to others and therefore not a threat to others.

Clearly goes to show why countries are armed (or re-arming) themselves.

[mr moose]

1 minute ago, thorhammerz said:

That of course, assumes the portion in bold will remain intact going forward into the future .

That's just an observation of whats actually happening.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/12/06/despite-concerns-about-global-democracy-nearly-six-in-ten-countries-are-now-democratic/

 

It seems that more and more countries are moving toward democracies and becoming stable in their own right as a result.   But then if we apply what we know of communist and dictatorial rules that should not come as  a surprise, after the US has been telling everyone for the better part of the last century that democracy is a fight worth giving your only son for.

 

1 minute ago, thorhammerz said:

Clearly goes to show why countries are armed (or re-arming) themselves.

That is fact that will never go away, even in the star trek utopia they are weaponized.

[thorhammerz]

20 minutes ago, mr moose said:

It seems that more and more countries are moving toward democracies and becoming stable in their own right as a result.   But then if we apply what we know of communist and dictatorial rules that should not come as  a surprise, after the US has been telling everyone for the better part of the last century that democracy is a fight worth giving your only son for.

I apologize, but could you please connect the dot of "you're now a capitalist democracy" with the dot of "you are no longer a threat to anyone else"? 

 

20 minutes ago, mr moose said:

That is fact that will never go away, even in the star trek utopia they are weaponized.

Each nation / country / city-state / tribe will continue consider others as plausible potential threat, regardless of their economic model or ideology-de-jour, so long as resources are finite. Human history has proven that since humans learned to organize into groups. If that were not the case, nobody would ever need to bear weapons.

[mr moose]

1 hour ago, thorhammerz said:

I apologize, but could you please connect the dot of "you're now a capitalist democracy" with the dot of "you are no longer a threat to anyone else"? 

 

It's just a statistical link,  we could go around in circles for forever finding the actual causality (but likely won't because it isn't just one thing).   However many countries that the current "western democratic" world seem to have issues with are the ones ruled by a regime that is not considered by many to be democratic, countries like China, Nth Korea, Russia, Iraq (between desert storm and the toppling), Iran and so on.    Countries that do not draw the ire beyond a small bout of financial fisticuffs tend more to the solid democratic.   There are lot of ifs and buts, but most of them are just nitpicking minor components (which I guarantee one or two will quote me and try to argue a whole array of stuff that is largely moot), the whole picture tells the story while the minor episodes merely set color the backdrop.

 

The one stand out nation that causes people the most grief is China, by their sheer size and nature they represent a nation that is both worthy to be feared and also still on the verge of becoming a democratic (it is only half way there).  People tend to look at china's History and ignore their trajectory from a global scale.  It's also hard to ignore the issues that are inherent to their Population and GDP (because depending on how you compare the economy they are larger than the US by some measures, however that is a technicality that doesn't mean anything unless we are specifically trying to prove a point about economic value specific to a GDP per populace). 

[leadeater]

20 minutes ago, mr moose said:

The one stand out nation that causes people the most grief is China, by their sheer size and nature they represent a nation that is both worthy to be feared and also still on the verge of becoming a democratic (it is only half way there). 

I'd be willing to bet money that in 30 years the Chinese population will have some amount of voting power for certain aspects of their government. In a lot of ways China being a dictatorship works effectively for them, dictatorships are often confused with oppression too which are not the same thing. Without oppression it's fairly difficult to argue that a country would be better off or should be democratic.

[mr moose]

2 minutes ago, leadeater said:

I'd be willing to bet money that in 30 years the Chinese population will have some amount of voting power for certain aspects of their government. In a lot of ways China being a dictatorship works effectively for them, dictatorships are often confused with oppression too which are not the same thing. Without oppression it's fairly difficult to argue that a country would be better off or should be democratic.

It works for them because I don't think there is a way to suddenly take 1/3rd the worlds population and given them the freedom the US enjoys without anarchy ensuing.   I have spoken to many people who both live and or work within china and they basically say the same thing.  It's not a nice country to live in by our standards, but there is not an immediate way to make it better.