Japan bans Huawei and ZTE 5G networking hardware; will Canada be next? + Huawei Blacklisted in New Zealand

[Speed Weed]

Source 1 " Japan bans Huawei and ZTE 5G networking hardware; will Canada be next?" : https://venturebeat.com/2018/12/10/japan-bans-huawei-and-zte-5g-networking-hardware-will-canada-be-next/

 

Source 2 " Huawei Blacklisted In New Zealand" : https://latesthackingnews.com/2018/12/06/huawei-blacklisted-in-new-zealand/

 

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If 5G equipment bans from the United States, Australia, and New Zealand weren’t enough this year, Huawei will end 2018 on an even worse note: Kyodo News reports that Japan’s government has decided to block the Chinese company and its smaller rival ZTE from network hardware procurement. Not coincidentally, Canadian authorities are publicly discussing a similar ban following last week’s arrest of Huawei’s CFO.

Japan’s decision comes less than a month after the United States reportedly lobbied several overseas allies to block Chinese cellular hardware from their wireless networks, in part due to concerns over monitoring of U.S. military base communications.

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Following a ban in the US and Australia, Huawei is presently blacklisted by the New Zealand Government over certain network security issues. New Zealand’s Intelligence Bureau has reportedly stated that the Huwaei’s 5G infrastructure poses a significant network security risk. Therefore, Spark, one of the top 3 telecom service providers in the country has been advised to drop its decision to partner-up with Huawei.

Freaking 5 eyes, 10 eyes, and 15 eyes alliances are going hard on Huawei, ZTE, and Kaspersky antivirus firm this year. Dam American can't be friend with China and Russia. I know we have a lot of questions to China and Russia about their security and privacy practices, and we know they don't give a dam about security and privacy because China and Russia are communist ( Well, Russia can be Soviet Union if Putin wants to bring it back). " Network Security risk " my ass. They don't trust China and Russia products because these eyes alliances know they are going to spy and hack.  It doesn't matter whether you are using America tech products, China tech products, or Russia tech products because at the end of the day you are going to spy by the government. No difference by banning Huawei, ZTE, and Kaspersky security firm. 

[givingtnt]

There's nothing more to say. this is dumb.
Seriously dumb.

[r2724r16]

2 minutes ago, Speed Weed said:

will Canada be next?

I hope not, because I'd be pretty angry if they are. 

[PlayStation 2]

Ya know how people are complaining about America taking hard stances on Russia and China? Ya also know how people are bitching that Trump colluded with Russia and China?

Let's choose the story line we wanna follow, folks.

[Speed Weed]

16 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

I hope not, because I'd be pretty angry if they are. 

Canada probably follow US footsteps because Canada is part of the eyes alliance. 

[leadeater]

21 minutes ago, Speed Weed said:

Source 2 " Huawei Blacklisted In New Zealand" : https://latesthackingnews.com/2018/12/06/huawei-blacklisted-in-new-zealand/

This only applies to 5G, we're still able to buy Huawei networking equipment and servers, and we use them and are still buying them.

[dizmo]

I'm 100% behind this. I think we should switch to Nokia, and other manufacturers that aren't at the behest of the Chinese government.

Anyone who's complaining about it simply being because it's a Chinese company doesn't understand the full ramifications of what that entails.

 

I fully support Canada banning Huawei equipment, and I hope they do so sooner than later.

 

23 minutes ago, r2724r16 said:

I hope not, because I'd be pretty angry if they are. 

Why?

4 minutes ago, leadeater said:

This only applies to 5G, we're still able to buy Huawei networking equipment and servers, and we use them and are still buying them.

There was something different about 5G vs 4G wasn't there? More access to what's actually being transmitted?

[leadeater]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

There was something different about 5G vs 4G wasn't there? More access to what's actually being transmitted?

Our 4G isn't Huawei, I don't think they were even an option at the time. Pretty sure most of our stuff is Nokia/Alcatel-Lucent, I know it is for sure for our UFB/FTTH.

 

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Also meant by able to and currently buying as in at my work, our network is Huawei and we have a very small amount of their servers on loan (free whisky ). Doubt we'll switch to their servers though, HPE is by far superior and I would stick to them given the final decision power, which I don't have. 

[Lurick]

9 minutes ago, leadeater said:

Our 4G isn't Huawei, I don't think they were even an option at the time. Pretty sure most of our stuff is Nokia/Alcatel-Lucent, I know it is for sure for our UFB/FTTH.

 

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Also meant by able to and currently buying as in at my work, our network is Huawei and we have a very small amount of their servers on loan (free whisky ). Doubt we'll switch to their servers though, HPE is by far superior and I would stick to them given the final decision power, which I don't have. 

 

You should really just switch to all Borg servers with new Borg Collective technology for your network. They offer the fastest collective response with the lowest round trip latency of any collective around!

 

And unlike Skynet we they offer the option to continue life as an upgraded member of our their society.

[Amazonsucks]

Excellent news to see Japan protect itself like this! 

 

There's nothing more to say. This is smart, seriously smart. Dont know why anyone is upset over Huawei being excluded for security reasons. It would be foolish to help your adversary.

[Guest]

Still waiting for real proof. 

[Taf the Ghost]

4 minutes ago, RorzNZ said:

Still waiting for real proof. 

All Chinese companies are a part of the Chinese Government. From even a basic NatSec position, you shouldn't allow their back-end tech into your networks.

 

With the way everyone is acting, there's some pretty serious stuff going on in the space outside of the Media. 

[duncannah]

Great. Hope more countries follow suit. Put the CCP in its place

[Taf the Ghost]

3 minutes ago, CCWong said:

This is just protectionism (which, for the unenlightened, is objectively bad). Certain major hardware companies in the US (cough apple cough) are afraid of the future growth of Huawei and fear they will not be able to compete, thus they have lobbied for their exclusion.

 

 

Protectionism is the proper approach all countries should take to their products. As a note, China has one of the hardest markets in the world to sell into.

[Dabombinable]

Considering that if China's government wants Huawei or ZTE to do anything (regardless of laws in other countries), they will have to comply. That's the risks involved in dealing with any company that's located in China while the CCP is in power.

[yian88]

4 hours ago, Speed Weed said:

..It doesn't matter whether you are using America tech products, China tech products, or Russia tech products because at the end of the day you are going to spy by the government. No difference by banning Huawei, ZTE, and Kaspersky security firm. 

You are mistaken here, these moves are not being done for the users, US / japan/aussies  wouldnt give a damn if only end users were afected, this is about mass surveilance on  institutions, military and backdoors/ hacking concerns.

 

[D13H4RD]

1 hour ago, CCWong said:

This is just protectionism (which, for the unenlightened, is objectively bad). Certain major hardware companies in the US (cough apple cough) are afraid of the future growth of Huawei and fear they will not be able to compete, thus they have lobbied for their exclusion.

 

 

Apple doesn't do radios or telecommunications equipment that isn't a smartphone 

[DrMacintosh]

3 minutes ago, D13H4RD said:

Apple doesn't do radios or telecommunications equipment that isn't a smartphone 

Yet. Though they are trying to get in on the health/fitness market right now. Who knows, telecomm might be next. 

[DrMacintosh]

1 hour ago, CCWong said:

This is just protectionism (which, for the unenlightened, is objectively bad). Certain major hardware companies in the US (cough apple cough) are afraid of the future growth of Huawei and fear they will not be able to compete, thus they have lobbied for their exclusion.

 

 

Or the governments of these countries could realize that Huawei, on at least a few occasions, has appeared to be a wing of the Chinese Government and is therefore a national security risk. In case you are not aware, China is not and ally of the west or our allies in the South East like Japan and South Korea. 

[leadeater]

40 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

Yet. Though they are trying to get in on the health/fitness market right now. Who knows, telecomm might be next. 

Telecommunications/network infrastructure and consumer electronics are wildly different things and technology industries, Apple would be pretty much insane to try and move in to that area and I have zero expectations that they would even consider it let alone do it.

 

Apple Airport is the only remotely close thing they have done or will do, other than maybe an Apple branded switch for consumer and small business.

[DrMacintosh]

Just now, leadeater said:

Telecommunications/network infrastructure and consumer electronics are wildly different things and technology industries, Apple would be pretty much insane to try and move in to that area and I have zero expectations that they would even consider it let alone do it.

 

Apple Airport is the only remotely close thing they have done or will do, other than maybe an Apple branded switch for consumer and small business.

When you have that much capitol, you can do whatever you want. It’s just a matter of want. 

[leadeater]

14 minutes ago, DrMacintosh said:

When you have that much capitol, you can do whatever you want. It’s just a matter of want. 

Not for that industry, the technology demands and support infrastructure is not something you can actually just create with money. There is a reason that even in that industry sector there is yet another big split, enterprise networking and service provider and the demands and requirements difference for those is already large.

 

Apple moving in to that industry area is the same as Ford trying to compete with NASA, it won't happen. Space X was only able to do it because that is the one and only focus, the business was created for that sole purpose.

 

Apple would bleed all their money trying to do it and no large customer would move to them because network equipment is a shrinking industry controlled by a select few companies and is no longer a front and center technology showcase, things are moving to software defined networking where the equipment doesn't matter (much). They also hold no power or favor with any network engineers or architects either so even if they moved in to the software networking space the uptake would be minimal.

[captain_to_fire]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

, China is not and ally of the west or our allies in the South East like Japan and South Korea. 

This ☝ 

 

I wish I could elucidate further as to why but there's a mod in here

[Dabombinable]

1 minute ago, captain_to_fire said:

This ☝ 

 

I wish I could elucidate further as to why but there's a mod in here

Suffice to say there is a lot of "or else" if companies in china don't comply with government wishes.

[Blademaster91]

1 hour ago, DrMacintosh said:

 China is not and ally of the west or our allies in the South East like Japan and South Korea. 

And yet the US and it's allies trust China to manufacture most networking hardware. If the US and its allies wants to take a protectionism approach banning Chinese companies, hardware manufactured by the Chinese shouldn't be trusted either.