Wallmart kills OVERPOWERED Prebuilt PCs - [UPDATE - They're back!... Now with a $400 discount!]

[Razor Blade]

5 minutes ago, Spotty said:

*snip*

 

What is weird is I can't find a model GW-6000(80+) on the manufacture website. There is a GW06000(85+) PSU

 

http://www.gwoversea.com/T-series01.html

 

In fact I can't find it on any website... I would be very surprised if it was really any sort of 80+ PSU.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

37 minutes ago, seon123 said:

GW isn't exactly a no name brand. They're one of the major PSU OEMs. They're the OEM of the Corsair SF, TXM, CS and CX. 

all PSU's i personally wouldn't trust with a high end system. i did build a pc for my parents with a TX550M in it, but that's a core i3 paired with a gtx 1050, and that psu has been fine. 

 

the only manufacturer (or OEM technically in my case) i trust with my main system is seasonic. i've got a Corsair AX860 in it, which is made by them, and i wouldn't trust anything else. 

[AlTech]

45 minutes ago, Spotty said:

Warlmart's

*Walmart's

[mariushm]

10 minutes ago, Razor Blade said:

What is weird is I can't find a model GW-6000(80+) on the manufacture website. There is a GW06000(85+) PSU

 

http://www.gwoversea.com/T-series01.html

 

In fact I can't find it on any website... I would be very surprised if it was really any sort of 80+ PSU.

 

You can find it here: http://www.greatwall.cn/Public/PowerProduct.aspx?id=99586b2e-6aa5-41c7-872f-945213824dd9

 

Use Google Translate if needed.

 

At 220v input voltage, it claims 80% or better at full load, and 85% or better at "typical" load (which I would guess it's something like 100-150 watts)

At 110v, I would say drop around 3% in efficiency from those numbers, if you're optimist.

 

A version of it is sold on this website for ￥2300 (if you buy 20 or more) : https://www.china.cn/fuwuqipeijian/4139143814.html

That's around 20$ ... and it looks like it's the model with black case and sleeving on the 24 atx cable.

Assume it's around 0.5$ less for no sleeving and regular metal case.

 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

8 minutes ago, Razor Blade said:

I would be very surprised if it was really any sort of 80+ PSU.

wouldn't it have the familiar logo on it if it was?

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

2 minutes ago, mariushm said:

A version of it is sold on this website for ￥2300 (if you buy 20 or more) : https://www.china.cn/fuwuqipeijian/4139143814.html

That's around 20$ ... and it looks like it's the model with black case and sleeving on the 24 atx cable.

Assume it's around 0.5$ less for no sleeving and regular metal case.

 

oh. my. god. prepare for reports of those psu's blowing up. 

 

i've had experience with a €40 psu. that blew up after 2 months (if i remember correctly) and took a motherboard, all the ram in the mobo and even an audio interface connected to the pc with it. the cpu was fine though interestingly... 

[Blademaster91]

23 minutes ago, Spotty said:

@seon123  Here's where Steve from GN looks at the PSU.

 

 

 

Spoiler

 

I dunno, it only having 24A over the 12 volt rail seems kinda crap for being a 500W unit, besides it not even being painted that costs cents to do. There are reputable OEM brand 450W PSU's which have over 30A over the 12V rail.

27 minutes ago, Hunter259 said:

You don't have to have the sticker you do know that right?

So the unit is so cheap they couldn't put the sticker on it?  It might be decent for the i7 8700 and a gtx1060 but we have no idea how good it actually is.  I still wouldn't trust it in a $1,200 gaming PC.

[KuJoe]

Well that's depressing to hear. Walmart had some potential there and giving up after their first attempt is just bad business practice, companies rarely get the first attempt correct but as you saw in Linus' video they did a lot of things right that others did not and at a really reasonable price.

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, Blademaster91 said:

I dunno, it only having 24A over the 12 volt rail seems kinda crap for being a 500W unit, besides it not even being painted that costs cents to do.

So the unit is so cheap they couldn't put the sticker on it?  It might be decent for the i7 8700 and a gtx1060 but we have no idea how good it actually is.  I still wouldn't trust it in a $1,200 gaming PC.

see my post above. the €40 psu i'm talking about was labeled as 500W. 

 

that build was the following: 

Core 2 Quad Q9550 (OC to 3.7ghz)

8GB DDR2

Asus P5Q Deluxe (i'm so mad that board is dead) 

GTX 1050

 

the walmart build comsumes a lot more than that i would imagine... and the psu in that system i had blew up after 2 months... 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, KuJoe said:

they did a lot of things right that others did not and at a really reasonable price.

what exactly?

[rferber]

I'm not surprised. Luckily, no more unsuspecting grandmothers buying their grandkids PCs will be shipped the wrong model, expecting great performance.

[seon123]

30 minutes ago, Spotty said:

seon123  Here's where Steve from GN looks at the PSU

Thank you. 

I couldn't find it on the 80+ website. I did find the other GW-6000 (**+) PSUs, which appear to be 500W, but not the (80+). All certified in 2011. 

The various GW-**** (80+) units are 80+ White certified, but no mention of the GW-6000. All certified within two days of each other, in 2010. 

The PSU in the video seems to have a stamped grille. The others seem to have wire grilles, though. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by seon123
"wire", not "quite". Damn autocorrect

[Spotty]

1 minute ago, Blademaster91 said:

I dunno, it only having 24A over the 12 volt rail seems kinda crap for being a 500W unit, besides it not even being painted that costs cents to do.

There's multiple 12V rails. 24A + 21A = 540W. 24A@12V (288W) on the rails for peripherals (PCIe) will be fine for most GPUs... Though, I wouldn't trust it to actually deliver that.

 

Just now, firelighter487 said:

what exactly?

To be fair, the cable management on the back side of the case was pretty decent for a pre built. Something that was consistent across GNs, Bitwits, and LTTs systems.

 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, Spotty said:

To be fair, the cable management on the back side of the case was pretty decent for a pre built. Something that was consistent across GNs, Bitwits, and LTTs systems.

although for me to consider cable management decent all the cables must be correctly plugged in. 

 

also the other side was a complete mess. 

[mariushm]

Just now, seon123 said:

Thank you. 

I couldn't find it on the 80+ website. I did find the other GW-6000 (**+) PSUs, which appear to be 500W, but not the (80+). All certified in 2011. 

The various GW-**** (80+) units are 80+ White certified, but no mention of the GW-6000. All certified within two days of each other, in 2010. 

The PSU in the video seems to have a stamped grille. The others seem to have quite grilles, though. 

See http://www.greatwall.cn/Public/PowerProduct.aspx?id=99586b2e-6aa5-41c7-872f-945213824dd9

It's an OEM version of this one, cheaper (no sleeving and no painted case).

 

It claims two rails, but i sincerely doubt they actually have two separate 12v rails. It would surprise me. But if it does, it was a bad choice. Reserving 24A for the 8pin EPS connector alone is stupid, since you're reserving around 250w and that 8700 or whatever locked CPU is, doesn't use more than 150 watts.

 

[Canada EH]

26 minutes ago, Blademaster91 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if Walmart has another vendor re-package all the components into different cases as a rebrand.

You know exactly that is what they will do.

They will keep the same vendor, implement some internal QC with them.

Re badge the pc's

and profit

[seon123]

17 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

the only manufacturer (or OEM technically in my case) i trust with my main system is seasonic.

What? So you would turn down things like the AX1600i and CM MIJ? Not saying any of the GW made PSUs are quite that good, but come on... There are some options that Seasonic can't compete against atm. 

 

Well, Corsair seems to be adding some new Seasonic made PSUs, with their AX850 and AX1000, both Titanium rated. So that's good news for you, I guess. Not yet announced, and no media outlet even mentions them, but you can find them on Cybenetics and 80+. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by seon123
Something something

[Canada EH]

Just now, mariushm said:

It claims two rails, but i sincerely doubt they actually have two separate 12v rails. It would surprise me. But if it does, it was a bad choice. Reserving 24A for the 8pin EPS connector alone is stupid, since you're reserving around 250w and that 8700 or whatever locked CPU is, doesn't use more than 150 watts.

Could be reasons for the separation, but its marketing lies, or a manufacturing short cut. I would think keeping the EMI down is a good reason.

[KuJoe]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

what exactly?

Linus outlined them in his video. Had they taken the feedback provided and used it to make a better second version of the line-up I'm positive that after getting much better reviews next time around they'd start selling them at a volume that would let them drop the price to below the cost of the hardware itself (this is basically Walmart's model) which would only benefit the consumers who don't build their own allowing a lower barrier of entry into higher end gaming. 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

Just now, seon123 said:

What? So you would turn down things like the AX1600i and CM MIJ? Not saying any of the GQ made PSUs are quite that good, but come on... There are some options that Seasonic can't compete against atm. 

Corsair AX i would trust, but i'd prefer to have seasonic. 

 

besides i don't need 1600W... anytime soon... 

[Ashley MLP Fangirl]

1 minute ago, KuJoe said:

Linus outlined them in his video. Had they taken the feedback provided and used it to make a better second version of the line-up I'm positive that after getting much better reviews next time around they'd start selling them at a volume that would let them drop the price to below the cost of the hardware itself (this is basically Walmart's model) which would only benefit the consumers who don't build their own allowing a lower barrier of entry into higher end gaming. 

i would highly doubt that... or that they could do better. not plugging in a gpu is on another level of not doing stuff properly. 

[Spotty]

3 minutes ago, mariushm said:

See http://www.greatwall.cn/Public/PowerProduct.aspx?id=99586b2e-6aa5-41c7-872f-945213824dd9

It's an OEM version of this one, cheaper (no sleeving and no painted case).

 

It claims two rails, but i sincerely doubt they actually have two separate 12v rails. It would surprise me. But if it does, it was a bad choice. Reserving 24A for the 8pin EPS connector alone is stupid, since you're reserving around 250w and that 8700 or whatever locked CPU is, doesn't use more than 150 watts.

I really doubt the outlets like Jonnyguru, Anandtech, etc would test an OEM unit like this, but I would actually love it for GamersNexus to test this PSU with their new PSU testing equipment they've been setting up for a while. AFAIK GN doesn't have a hot box or anything like that, but I'm sure just putting the full rated load on it will create a fireworks show.

[Canada EH]

Just now, firelighter487 said:

i would highly doubt that... or that they could do better. not plugging in a gpu is on another level of not doing stuff properly.  

Change out the cases in China so when they come in off the boat on the mainland they are ready to stock the shelves.

The existing ones would need to dump or replace cases, rebrand.

[CarlBar]

Just now, Spotty said:

There's multiple 12V rails. 24A + 21A = 540W. 24A@12V (288W) on the rails for peripherals (PCIe) will be fine for most GPUs... Though, I wouldn't trust it to actually deliver that.

 

To be fair, the cable management on the back side of the case was pretty decent for a pre built. Something that was consistent across GNs, Bitwits, and LTTs systems.

 

 

Also to be completely fair airflow aside the case really wasn't that bad, the RGB was excellent, Cable management was ok without being amazing and the overall underlying specification wasn't terrible.

 

Really the main real issues that are going to matter to 90% of people where the bad MB and PSU, Single Channel RAM, poor airflow at the front, and the general QC issues like unplugged cables.

 

What they got wrong was fairly wrong, but swap the MB Ram, and PSU out and use a slightly more spaced front panel with filter over the fans and this would be a pretty solid PC. A lot of it is stuff i see amateurs doing all the time. They splurge on the CPU and GPU, get a good amount of ram as cheaply as possibble, (so fewest sticks), grab a ton of RGB, (optional on the RGB, but...), and then cheap out on everything else. The QC issues and them managing to pick an unusually rough case airflow and dust wise where the only really unique to them flaws.

 

Bearing in mind this is a first attempt i'd give them roughly a 6-7 out of 10 overall an the 6 is only a consideration because of the QC issues on the GPU power. Otherwise a solid 7. And the PSU would really be the only reason i wouldn't be willing to recommend these as an acceptable but not amazing pre-built TBH.

[KuJoe]

2 minutes ago, firelighter487 said:

i would highly doubt that... or that they could do better. not plugging in a gpu is on another level of not doing stuff properly. 

And something like that is easily fixed at little to no extra cost.