I9-9900K Cooling

[xHero12]

Hi Guys going to be posting a couple of questions in different areas of the forums (if you want to follow me around and help a brother out). For this one though I will keep it under the correct guidelines of CPU, Motherboard and Memory. for reference my build I'm looking to get will be at the bottom: (Note my boot drive is a 500gb 850 evo, I also have a 2tb HDD. The Case I will be using is the thermal take core p3.

 

I have watched a ton of benchmark videos and determined that I really like the 9900K and it will fit my needs of gaming to video editing about 60/40 (with gaming being the 60). Will the the cooler master 360 AIO be good enough to cool this monster? I know delidding would help, and the delidding part isn't what is intimidating to me, is the sanding and removing the stuff on top of the CPU to put the Liquid metal on is what scares me. So I just want to make sure the 360 will cool it at a good overclock. If I could do 5.0 ghz with this aio it would be perfect. Thanks in advance guys!

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$549.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$159.99 @ B&H
Motherboard	MSI - MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$218.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$284.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$127.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card	$849.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Thermaltake - Toughpower Grand RGB Sync Edition 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$118.68 @ Newegg Business
Monitor	Acer - Predator Z35P 35.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor	$747.98 @ Amazon
Other	ECHOGEAR Full Motion Articulating TV Wall Mount Bracket for most 15-39 inch TVs & Computer Monitors Featuring 10.5" of Extension, 90º of Swivel, & 16º of Tilt - EGSF1-BK	$24.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$3083.59
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-02 13:03 EST-0500

 

[tarfeef101]

If you just wanna run the CPU at a basic say, 5 GHz all-core, that's probably fine. Delidding a soldered CPU is a huge pain in the butt, and sanding down the die and IHS is even more so. Not worth it unless you're competitive OCing, or just like that stuff (and don't mind risking your stuff sanding your die down)

[xHero12]

1 minute ago, tarfeef101 said:

If you just wanna run the CPU at a basic say, 5 GHz all-core, that's probably fine. Delidding a soldered CPU is a huge pain in the butt, and sanding down the die and IHS is even more so. Not worth it unless you're competitive OCing, or just like that stuff (and don't mind risking your stuff sanding your die down)

Yeah a basic 5.0 all cores is what im going for basically, and dope im glad to here that. It will make me feel a lot better now haha

[Princess Luna]

The i9 9900K is soldered, you don't delid it.

 

You'll probably be better with a Dark Rock Pro 4 or a NH-D15, since AiO are a huge pain to deal with and are much more likely subjective to failures, not to mention if it leaks and kill your CPU and Mobo, nobody's refunding you those.

 

Those air coolers have on pair performance for much cheaper also, while sufficient for a 5ghz overclock, they would only become a limiting factor if you were pure extreme enthusiast and didn't bother doing a custom loop and all to try going above 5ghz, but then at this point you'd be getting an Aorus Master with a top end platinum PSU and probably affording binned chips.

[xHero12]

3 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

The i9 9900K is soldered, you don't delid it.

 

You'll probably be better with a Dark Rock Pro 4 or a NH-D15, since AiO are a huge pain to deal with and are much more likely subjective to failures, not to mention if it leaks and kill your CPU and Mobo, nobody's refunding you those.

 

Those air coolers have on pair performance for much cheaper also, while sufficient for a 5ghz overclock, they would only become a limiting factor if you were pure extreme enthusiast and didn't bother doing a custom loop and all to try going above 5ghz, but then at this point you'd be getting an Aorus Master with a top end platinum PSU and probably affording binned chips.

I like the look of AIO's over air cooling especially in this case). I havent ever had an issue with my current AIO (240 rad from coolermaster). I just want to know if this rad will be sufficient on hitting the 5.0gz or at least close. 

[Princess Luna]

Just now, xHero12 said:

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a 240mm will have difficulty cooling the i9 9900K at 5ghz, a 240mm performs worse than people seem to realize, it actually is on pair with my much cheaper air cooler NH-U12P and I can only do 4.8ghz with it as is right now.

 

Not to mention I have spoken to a couple of people who got quite bad samples silicon wise that failed to run 5ghz even at 1.4v with a 280mm AiO, this processor revives the "silicon lottery" dilemma as most i7 8700K seemed capable of it.

 

In fact you could probably settle down for the i7 8700K and i7 9700K, the processors realistically speaking game like the i9 and productivity wise aren't that distant either as the key component for Adobe content creation (among other applications) has been the iGPU hardware acceleration which is the same across the board.

[xHero12]

Just now, Princess Cadence said:

a 240mm will have difficulty cooling the i9 9900K at 5ghz, a 240mm performs worse than people seem to realize, it actually is on pair with my much cheaper air cooler NH-U12P and I can only do 4.8ghz with it as is right now.

 

Not to mention I have spoken to a couple of people who got quite bad samples silicon wise that failed to run 5ghz even at 1.4v with a 280mm AiO, this processor revives the "silicon lottery" dilemma as most i7 8700K seemed capable of it.

 

In fact you could probably settle down for the i7 8700K and i7 9700K, the processors realistically speaking game like the i9 and productivity wise aren't that distant either as the key component for Adobe content creation (among other applications) has been the iGPU hardware acceleration which is the same across the board.

I wont be using a 240, i just used that as my experience with AIO's. i would be using the 360 ML360R from cooler master. It has an extra fan and also obviously is larger. 

[Jurrunio]

that motherboard... I'd probably get the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra or Pro or Pro WiFi instead, much better VRMs there

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, xHero12 said:

I wont be using a 240, i just used that as my experience with AIO's. i would be using the 360 ML360R from cooler master. It has an extra fan and also obviously is larger. 

A 360 will be enough, just isn't the best alternative.

 

But if you want "aesthetic" appeal, sure why not... just take the comment above into account and choose a better motherboard as this component matters a lot too when dealing with the i9

[xHero12]

8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

that motherboard... I'd probably get the Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra or Pro or Pro WiFi instead, much better VRMs there

Is it really that bad? I knew it wasnt as good as gigabyte but i didnt think the vrms on this MSI MOBO was that bad. 

 

6 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

A 360 will be enough, just isn't the best alternative.

 

But if you want "aesthetic" appeal, sure why not... just take the comment above into account and choose a better motherboard as this component matters a lot too when dealing with the i9

Well yeah thank you! I wish the Asus AIO wasnt so expensive since it has a fan on the aio as well. 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, xHero12 said:

Is it really that bad? I knew it wasnt as good as gigabyte but i didnt think the vrms on this MSI MOBO was that bad. 

It's not 'bad', but 9900k is power hungry. It's like feeding a lion with 10 chickens worth of food a day. Sure it can survive, but it won't be happy about it.

[xHero12]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

It's not 'bad', but 9900k is power hungry. It's like feeding a lion with 10 chickens worth of food a day. Sure it can survive, but it won't be happy about it.

Can you elaborate a little more for me? Would the MSI one make it throttle, would it be to hot and affect my longevity for the MOBO?

[Jurrunio]

13 minutes ago, xHero12 said:

Can you elaborate a little more for me? Would the MSI one make it throttle, would it be to hot and affect my longevity for the MOBO?

I don't think it will throttle, but it will definitely run much hotter than Gigabyte board. Longevity will depend on how hot its running, but it will last shorter than the Gigabyte boards.

[xHero12]

16 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I don't think it will throttle, but it will definitely run much hotter than Gigabyte board. Longevity will depend on how hot its running, but it will last shorter than the Gigabyte boards.

Okay well that is certainly a big deal so i will be switching the motherboard to the Aorus Ultra, and because of asthetics i will be switching up the GPU to the Aorus Xtreme 2080. Does this sound good?

[Jurrunio]

22 minutes ago, xHero12 said:

Okay well that is certainly a big deal so i will be switching the motherboard to the Aorus Ultra, and because of asthetics i will be switching up the GPU to the Aorus Xtreme 2080. Does this sound good?

sounds good to me, though I didnt take price into account. I guess people buying 9900k dont care that much anyway

[WihGlah]

I have a 360 and a 240 in my CPU loop currently

 

I am trying to figure out how to add more rad space. What I have isn't enough for the 9900K

[xHero12]

On 12/2/2018 at 4:42 PM, WihGlah said:

I have a 360 and a 240 in my CPU loop currently

 

I am trying to figure out how to add more rad space. What I have isn't enough for the 9900K

how did you get two in the loop? Also what is your temps like then?

[Kalm_Traveler]

from setting up my 9900k rig, honestly the heat issue with this chip is that it is difficult to pull heat out of - not that it will 'put out' a ton of heat quickly. I'm using just a 420mm radiator in a custom loop for 9900k + Titan V in mine, and tbh the water doesn't get hot. The issue is spiky temps in the CPU that it just isn't good at dissipating due to thicker CPU die silicon, and solder (VS a delidded 8086k/8700k/7700k/6700k with liquid metal TIM applied).

 

Unless you're doing something that will load up all 8 cores for a long time consistently so that this thing can dissipate its heat into a cooling solution, I wouldn't worry too much about exactly which radiator sizes are in use.

[WihGlah]

17 hours ago, xHero12 said:

how did you get two in the loop? Also what is your temps like then?

not in your case.

 

I have a HAF Stacker 945

 

temps are reasonable, but my fans actually have to ramp in now. This is unacceptable..

[xHero12]

On 12/3/2018 at 11:24 PM, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

from setting up my 9900k rig, honestly the heat issue with this chip is that it is difficult to pull heat out of - not that it will 'put out' a ton of heat quickly. I'm using just a 420mm radiator in a custom loop for 9900k + Titan V in mine, and tbh the water doesn't get hot. The issue is spiky temps in the CPU that it just isn't good at dissipating due to thicker CPU die silicon, and solder (VS a delidded 8086k/8700k/7700k/6700k with liquid metal TIM applied).

 

Unless you're doing something that will load up all 8 cores for a long time consistently so that this thing can dissipate its heat into a cooling solution, I wouldn't worry too much about exactly which radiator sizes are in use.

This.. You sir thank you! I was so worried even in a regular setting it would be really hot

[DerGoliHerr]

2 hours ago, xHero12 said:

This.. You sir thank you! I was so worried even in a regular setting it would be really hot

Honestly, it depends on what you do with it. The i9 is obviously a hot chip, but the most horrible temps are actually when running Benchmarks, or P95. As reported somewhere else, with a 280mm Rad (H115i Pro), I am getting to about 77°C on 4,7Ghz all cores, and about 82°C with 5Ghz on all cores. This temp is consistent even after 5 consecutive Cinebench runs. Obviously, using P95 with Small FFTS is a different story, but it is honestly quite difficult to reproduce those results in real use. 

If someone is interested, I am more than happy to provide more information about temps, be it with or without OC, under/overvolting... 

[jomoroon]

On 12/8/2018 at 9:55 AM, DerGoliHerr said:

Honestly, it depends on what you do with it. The i9 is obviously a hot chip, but the most horrible temps are actually when running Benchmarks, or P95. As reported somewhere else, with a 280mm Rad (H115i Pro), I am getting to about 77°C on 4,7Ghz all cores, and about 82°C with 5Ghz on all cores. This temp is consistent even after 5 consecutive Cinebench runs. Obviously, using P95 with Small FFTS is a different story, but it is honestly quite difficult to reproduce those results in real use. 

If someone is interested, I am more than happy to provide more information about temps, be it with or without OC, under/overvolting... 

Im planning on using my 9900k with a MC masterliquid 240, the maximal extent would be to run games (currently trying to get ac:odyssey at 60fps on ultra). Would I have trouble with my cooling for 2019 games? (AAA titles)

[Azonika]

@xHero12
Can you send your final build with everything take into consideration please ?

[GMart84]

I am pretty overkill in my system with a single 480 rad for the CPU.  In everyday tasks at 5.1 GHz and 1.29 vcore it idles around 23-25C and gets to the 55-60C range under load.

[Kenjo]

On 12/2/2018 at 7:28 PM, xHero12 said:

Hi Guys going to be posting a couple of questions in different areas of the forums (if you want to follow me around and help a brother out). For this one though I will keep it under the correct guidelines of CPU, Motherboard and Memory. for reference my build I'm looking to get will be at the bottom: (Note my boot drive is a 500gb 850 evo, I also have a 2tb HDD. The Case I will be using is the thermal take core p3.

 

I have watched a ton of benchmark videos and determined that I really like the 9900K and it will fit my needs of gaming to video editing about 60/40 (with gaming being the 60). Will the the cooler master 360 AIO be good enough to cool this monster? I know delidding would help, and the delidding part isn't what is intimidating to me, is the sanding and removing the stuff on top of the CPU to put the Liquid metal on is what scares me. So I just want to make sure the 360 will cool it at a good overclock. If I could do 5.0 ghz with this aio it would be perfect. Thanks in advance guys!

 

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Type	Item	Price
CPU	Intel - Core i9-9900K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor	$549.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master - MasterLiquid ML360R RGB 66.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$159.99 @ B&H
Motherboard	MSI - MPG Z390 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX LGA1151 Motherboard	$218.99 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill - Trident Z RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$284.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Samsung - 860 Evo 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive	$127.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI - GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card	$849.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Thermaltake - Toughpower Grand RGB Sync Edition 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply	$118.68 @ Newegg Business
Monitor	Acer - Predator Z35P 35.0" 3440x1440 100 Hz Monitor	$747.98 @ Amazon
Other	ECHOGEAR Full Motion Articulating TV Wall Mount Bracket for most 15-39 inch TVs & Computer Monitors Featuring 10.5" of Extension, 90º of Swivel, & 16º of Tilt - EGSF1-BK	$24.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$3083.59
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2018-12-02 13:03 EST-0500

 

Hey i know im late to the party My setup: 

I9 9900k @ 5ghz 1.33vcore 83c cinebench load with an S24 from fractal compared to my s36 (rma) that keept it at 84c in the same load 
Im surprised the S24 is keeping this puppy cooler than the s36... 

Mobo : Msi Z390 Carbon gaming etc 
16gb ddr4@3000mhz (2666 clocked.. wont do higher ;/ cheapo sticks) 
960(250gb nvme boot) 
850 (i think) m.2 500gb (games )  

Phanteks p400 tg/s