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Intel Killed their OWN Product Lineup

With core counts ever increasing in desktop CPUs, the question has to be asked: Do you even NEED an HEDT CPU anymore?

 

 

Buy a Threadripper 2990WX:
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Buy a Threadripper 2950X:
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Buy a Core i9-9900K:
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Buy a Core i7-9700K
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1 minute ago, GabenJr said:

Buy a Core i9-9900K:
On Amazon: http://geni.us/MM4idkE
On Newegg: https://lmg.gg/8KVb2

 

Buy a Core i7-9700K
On Amazon: http://geni.us/MA1hwiA
On Newegg: https://lmg.gg/8KVbn

Missed one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/bddxFT/amd-ryzen-7-2700x-37ghz-8-core-processor-yd270xbgafbox

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Not gonna lie. This is the first time I've been excited about a sponsor. Thursday makes a solid boot.

No discount though? Sad face. Though I did notice free shipping so maybe that's the LTT perk ?

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AMD's FX chips had ECC support as well. In my NAS I have an FX-8350, which is very overkill given it sees less action than a computer nerd at a porn convention. But that's what I already had, so I went with it. The advantage there was having a mainboard/processor combination that already supported ECC, making it perfect for a home NAS, since it has the same memory controller as in the Opteron processors. The higher PCI-E lane count of the 990FX also has an advantage here for putting in multiple high-line cards - I have a SAS controller and 10GbE card in that system - but I digress. The Opterons, by contrast, support Registered ECC RAM. And their FM2+ processors also did not support ECC at all, but it was largely unnecessary since it was an entirely consumer processor.

 

So for AMD to keep the ECC support with Ryzen out of the box I would more expect. That the Opterons and FX processors were sharing the same memory controller and processor architecture technology - with slight changes for the Opterons for the server market - allowed them to keep costs lower. And with Ryzen they've got to be keeping with the same pattern. Which allows for a simplified design and manufacturing, a simpler product launch, and lower cost.

 

LTT has been lamenting about Intel's product lineup since their first reactions to Ryzen started hitting the market. And now it's time for Intel to figure out how to scale back and simplify their product lines. Since that is also where AMD has an advantage. Intel might even start closing the price gap as well if they do this.

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My i7-4790K is still holding up well, I don't feel like it's slow, but I've never experienced the feel of the new cpu

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This is the topic that was wrecking my brain for some time. I think we hit the wall called "law of diminishing returns" on both sides - on the side of consumer, where 10-ish % performance boost over each generation is just "meh" and on the side of R&D - tens of millions spent on revamping old architecture, gaining really minuscule performance boost not heading anywhere. 

For example, if I gave you 3 or 4 or even 5 GHz CPU, 99% would not notice the difference (there's no way of knowing that just by browsing web, doing some school homework) and people just dont care that video renders 30 seconds slower on AMD machine than Intel one. At this point there's no need to go for i7, or i9 when even the basic i5-8xxx can do its job completely fine and its more about prestige than anything else. 

Even if Linus is all about the highest, bestest and badassest rig and what-not, there's really no point to buy the highest CPUs for the 99.7 % of people when you can do 100x more work with better GPU or even multiple GPUs for the price of some HEDT CPUs, *cough* *cough* Intel... 

Programmers have a hard time to utilize 4 cores or more from a fairly old Core i5-2500k, because there's literally no need for it, except in games (VR etc.), basically we live in abundance of compute power that we have no use for. Especially with event-driven, asynchronous, and mainly non-blocking programming one can achieve miracles from one mediocre CPU. For example: https://blog.jayway.com/2015/04/13/600k-concurrent-websocket-connections-on-aws-using-node-js/ 

Where Apple's proprietary ARM CPUs come into play is the supposed overtaking of Macbook line up - IMO Apple's ARM chip is nowhere near the performance of x86/x64 (as they like to use only one and synthetic benchmark), but don't quote me on that, but where they outshine is the low TDP usage - and that's where everybody - AMD, Intel and nVidia should just sit and listen to Apple, and watch how they are able to cram well-rounded performance into 4-5 W TDP package that can run on current batteries for days. Yes, it's not a thread-ripping performance, but 99 % dont need it anyway, am I rite? :D

So, in the end I oppose @LinusTech's opinion that chip manufacturers should go full frequency and core count on. IMO they all should go bonkers on getting power usage to at least a 1/3 of what we are currently seeing - especially in mobile CPUs, without sacrificing the performance. That can lead to smaller heatsinks, smaller computers, or even passive and silent cooling and be more eco-friendly to the planet and save gigawatts of power. 

And if there's some Intel folk that roam these forums, you can send me a DM :D

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42 minutes ago, PeterBocan said:

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I know very little about programming, game creation and etc, I'm mainly a 3D artist, but can't the abundance of power be solved by simply raising the ceiling?

By that I mean, can't just game studios make games that require more cores to make it run better, thus making a prettier game than before? 

Or should we stick to 144 fps as a cap, at let studios optimize their graphics and core count to always reach that level?

Honestly I'm just glad Intel is in this position right now, we should forever be thankful for AMD for advancing the tecnology.

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3 minutes ago, Kibelok said:

I know very little about programming, game creation and etc, I'm mainly a 3D artist, but can't the abundance of power be solved by simply raising the ceiling?

By that I mean, can't just game studios make games that require more cores to make it run better, thus making a prettier game than before? 

Or should we stick to 144 fps as a cap, at let studios optimize their graphics and core count to always reach that level?

Honestly I'm just glad Intel is in this position right now, we should forever be thankful for AMD for advancing the tecnology.

well that goes against the logic of game studios, they want everybody to play a game. Throwing caltrops at users is soo early 2000s when all game journals were writing about what specs your PC should have to run such and such game. Of course they could say F U to gamers, but gamers are not shy to say F U back with their wallets.

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Regarding ECC memory, AMD did included ECC support on the Ryzen CPU/SOC, but the up to motherboard vendors to implement ECC support, and usually this is hit or miss. Gigabyte has full support while Asrock only allows ECC with PRO CPU. But since it's mainly motherboard vendors' responsibility to actually enable it, I will not critisize AMD on this one.

Intel, on the other hand has limited ECC support to pricey Xeons or low-end Celeron, Pentium and i3 chips (plus some random E-suffix parts), the latter of which Linus clearly forgot to mention. Neither of them are of great value. In fact, even our beloved G4560 can do ECC, yet you can only use it with some rare "X150" motherboards that utilize C232 chipset to get the full benefit of ECC.

But starting with Coffee Lake, there's a catch: the server chipset is no longer compatible with ECC-capable consumer CPU now. Ironically they are still somehow listed as "ECC Memory Supported", when in reality there is not actual way to use this function.

The absence of ECC support on mid-to-high end Intel CPUs, and the recent blocking consumer CPU on server chipsets, in my opinion, are both business moves aim to push people towards their Xeon line. Consider this, a slightly higher clocked Xeon W is almost $500 more expensive than its Skylake-X counterpart, while an Xeon E is still at least $80 more expensive than Core i7. By forcing people to switch to Xeon, it's net profit for Intel considering those consumer chips were basically just the same Xeon dies with some features disabled.

In a world where it's technologically impossible and economically unviable for Intel to build a fast high core count single-die CPU, the best way to profit is to artificially further segregate the market by locking out specific features.

And this is why AMD's move to build smaller high-yield chiplets and "glue" them together to create larger high performance unlocked processor caught Intel off guard.

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29 minutes ago, PeterBocan said:

well that goes against the logic of game studios, they want everybody to play a game. Throwing caltrops at users is soo early 2000s when all game journals were writing about what specs your PC should have to run such and such game. Of course they could say F U to gamers, but gamers are not shy to say F U back with their wallets.

Oh I definitely agree with wanting every PC spec to be able to play the game, I was talking about the ULTRA specs and the other demanding settings. BF5 is almost reaching 8gb VRAM for some settings, I don't think I would be a problem if future games took advantage of more cores for people who want the higher settings of a game.

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With core counts ever increasing in desktop CPUs, the question has to be asked

Home users do not need many cores!

Just a basic newer i7 is good enough, if not more then enough for most users.

Even at the speeds they have now, its plenty.

However the dynamics of the sale is the sales clerk sells them a pc they do not need nor require. So the system is rigged like that. As long as the producers keep pumping out new product, just means the older pc's will become cheaper to buy, which is a great bonus for poor school disctricts, poor families.

 

HEDT I had to look up. I typed that stuff ^^^^^ without even knowing what HEDT meant. Cant assume much as a journalist.

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Just now, Kibelok said:

Oh I definitely agree with wanting every PC spec to be able to play the game, I was talking about the ULTRA specs and the other demanding settings. BF5 is almost reaching 8gb VRAM for some settings, I don't think I would be a problem if future games took advantage of more cores for people who want the higher settings of a game.

well, stacking memory modules onto GPU is the least of the problems, still, this is handled by the GPU. CPU takes care of other things, like audio, game mechanics, internet connection/lobby and all other jazz around the game except for graphics, and 4 cores are well enough. If you want a CPU bounded game you are looking into games that are either simulation-like, i.e. City Skyline (many NPCs over whole city), or something where AI plays a big role, like Civ VI where is required multi-agent AI that you play against. 

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Sounds like Intel's x299 platform isn't really worth it anymore. If Intel doesn't plan on fully supporting it.

My PC uses the x79 chipset. Which at the time was considered a high end PC. But that was in 2012.

Fast forward to 2018 and the mainstream chipsets are now supporting more cores then the x79 chipset.

The reason I went with the x79 at the time. Was because it was considered an enthusiast platform. a platform for people that wanted a system that can do everything. And That's what drew me in. I wasn't going to take advantage of all that power. But I wanted it because there might be someday I would take full advantage of it. There's nothing like having a system some people would consider as overkill. But I think that's the point of being an enthusiast.

 

It seems now if you want to built an enthusiast PC. You might as well go with the mainstream platform and get an I9 9900k instead of a 7820x. Both CPUs are 8 cores. But the 9900k appears to be 14% faster then a 7820k according to userbenchmark.

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I'm a power user. I went X99 four years ago with a 5960X that enjoys a mild overclock at 4.4 and 32GB of 2800 RAM.

 

Honestly, it still feels as fast as the day I first powered it on, and I have absolutely no need for more than 8 cores.

 

The big caveat, however, involves PCI lanes. I also enjoy 4-way SLI with four water-cooled 980Ti's. Call it old school, but I still get playability on a 3440x1440 display with it surprisingly well. But that's it. I have no more lanes left to enjoy M.2 storage, for example, or add 10GbE.

 

AMD frankly is sitting on it's ass with EPYC. They tout the 64 PCIE lanes as a huge advantage and selling point, yet to this day I have yet to see either a server or workstation product that uses those lanes for graphics cards, where it could really show it's strength. Meanwhile I have my choice of Xeon options from Supermicro and Tyan that lets me cram 5-10 GPU's inside a single dual socket P system.

 

If there is a market for EPYC at all, it's not being served very much, and Intel is clearly taking customers who would clearly go AMD at a lower price point.

 

So if I were to upgrade right now to something better, I would most likely pick the TYAN Tempest HX S7105 with a pair of 6144 Xeons, throw in a few Voltas and ZxR and enjoy.

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ECC support on Ryzen consumer CPU isn't really usable considering how few motherboards support the feature. As far as I know only Asrock boards with select BIOS has support for it, other brands instead let you run ECC sticks, but in non-ECC mode which is just like Intel consumer CPUs.

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Don't personally need multiple pci-e lanes myself, reason why new mainstream Intel is still appealing.

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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2 hours ago, Princess Cadence said:

Don't personally need multiple pci-e lanes myself, reason why new mainstream Intel is still appealing.

But what if you have more then just the Graphics Card on a system. Like a Soundcard and a Capture Card. Don't you need more then 16 PCI-E Lines when adding more PCI-E addon cards?

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1 minute ago, TigerClaw said:

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Well 8x 3.0 is still perfectly enough for a 1080 Ti in all manners meaning you can still split it up other additional cards the other 8x lanes. Not to mention the 4x through chipset.

 

Either ways both my brother and I don't really have a purpose for any of these additional cards you've mentioned but we can purpose a fast 8 cores processor, originally we had built an i9 7900X system since it's cost was much lower than doing so back on the 6950X but we sold it like a month after in anticipation for the mainstream 8c because like I said we don't have use for the extra PCI-e lanes.

 

Dual channel memory vs quad channel also did not show any difference in what we do, but we also like to throw a game here and there on the mix, along side all the content creation stuff so the i9 9900K is like a HEDT but striped down of very pricey stuff we never needed, I don't see it as bad value personally, if you can find it for a not above msrp price at least lol

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CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

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i think intel will discontinue their HEDT chips and just leaving consumer and xeon. 

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About 10 cores/20threads is my sweet spot, hence I'm sitting on my x99. I want my PCIE lanes so I guess I will wait for something new since x299 is too early for me. 

 

But I admit that some of Broadwell-E limitations start being a bit annoying (like not enough m.2 slots on mobo and relatively weaker memory controller and lower clocks).

 

I'll wait and probably switch to something with 8-12 cores with 40+ lanes that will allow for tight memory timings and high speeds and OC to something like 4.8-5GHz. Doesn't need to be soldered (in fact, if they do it like they did the x299 refresh then I'd rather they didn't solder it).

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7 minutes ago, Lathlaer said:

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What if Intel finally increases PCI-e Lanes on the highest end of mainstream processors to something like 24 on their upcoming next generation on 10nm? Could that ever be the icing at top of the cake?

 

Or Quad-Channel memory matters to you?

Personal Desktop":

CPU: Intel Core i7 10700K @5ghz |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock Pro 4 |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Z490UD ATX|~| RAM: 16gb DDR4 3333mhzCL16 G.Skill Trident Z |~| GPU: RX 6900XT Sapphire Nitro+ |~| PSU: Corsair TX650M 80Plus Gold |~| Boot:  SSD WD Green M.2 2280 240GB |~| Storage: 1x3TB HDD 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda + SanDisk Ultra 3D 1TB |~| Case: Fractal Design Meshify C Mini |~| Display: Toshiba UL7A 4K/60hz |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro.

Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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25 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

Could that ever be the icing at top of the cake?

Yeah, that would make me at least consider it. As for QC memory, yeah, it's not THAT important though I have seen tests (and performed few myself) and surprisingly it shows difference in some open world games (like Witcher 3) - especially on such a thirsty bitch of a rig :D

 

What I could lose from not having that many lanes and QC I could've gained in single core performance boost but the discussion is academic at this point since I doubt that Intel would include more lanes in their mainstream roster. 

 

And since they are going bigger and bigger with core count it means that my sweet spot even in HEDT will be considered "low core count" and I wouldn't be surprised if next generation of CPU's were priced for something like $600-700 for a 10-core which is fine for me.

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1 minute ago, Lathlaer said:

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Intel could be rocking so much more if they weren't so addict on profits, the i9 9900K needn't to exist they should have simply not handicapped the i7 9700K with less cache and no hyper-threading.

 

If the i9 hadn't such a premium price tag it'd be far more competitive with Ryzen but then we fall on this issue of pretty much turning low end HEDT pointless (and people shouldn't forget Intel actually tried to sell non-hyper-threaded quad cores on x299).

 

Like I stated my workloads focus on the CPU horse power and Dual Channel seems to still hold it up to 32gb of ram for the most part.

 

Being honest it's a shame AMD has no way around Infinity Fabric limitations compared to Ring Bus because I honestly wanted 7nm Ryzen 2 to outperform Intel across the board so I could change teams, while I'm a 'performance whore' I obviously hate most of Intel's business practices.

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7 minutes ago, Princess Cadence said:

but then we fall on this issue of pretty much turning low end HEDT pointless (and people shouldn't forget Intel actually tried to sell non-hyper-threaded quad cores on x299).

Honestly I feel like they should just close the chapter of x299 at this point. They did two series, a main one and refresh, ok fine, now close that, make a hard line and start anew. 

 

And maybe consider not pulling a "kaby lake x" :D

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