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Motherboard power phases what's the best one out of these? 8+1+1 phase power supply vs 7+1+1 vs Hybrid 6+2+1 Phases. I got no idea what this means. Lga 1700 boards. Will be using 12400f. Terminator B760M GKD5 (maxsun.com) 8+1+1 ASRock > B760M-HDV/M.2 7+1+1 B760M GAMING (rev. 1.2) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global Hybrid 6+2+1
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Don't worry about the 4070, iam gonna buy the 5090 when available and watercool it, Is the vrm Cooling from EK worth it?
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Hi all: I just want to share some findings that I have been having with my ASUS X670E mainboard with R9 7950X and Gskillz DDR5 5400. If you have one of these ASUS X670E-Plus board I would urge you check the quality of the solder job. I've been having constant on and off issues with my computer which I built back in Sept of 2022. It would normally end up being issues with BSOD relating to accessing system files. This lead to a full system rebuilt and the computer was running completely normally. I didn't use my computer for a while with the whole ASUS power problem with overvolting AM5 chips(though it was mostly the x3D, but my processor was hitting like 1.52V under specific loads like Dwarf Fortress). I decided that what ever happens with the MB and I just needed to use my desktop, and everything was fine for the last couple of months. During the past week I started to have memory issues when using web browsers. I would get "Out of Memory" and this lead me to run some memory tests. Windows built in memory tester found hardware problems, and when I ran MemTest64 during the first 12GB of data it found 418 addressing errors and lead into a blue screen. I disabled the default EXPO settings and this allowed the computer to not BSOD, but still was running slow having problems and about every 5 tests of MemTest64 would lead to a non-BSOD crash. I went to replace the MB in my device and when I was inspecting the MB I found the contact points for the VRMs are completely cracked on a large portion of the VRMs. It looks likes this board was assembled with low quality solder as it looked dull and grainy. Photo below: I replaced the ASUS mainboard with a ASROCK X670E Pro(Yes I bought new modules) and this is the quality of the VRM solder job for comparison: I hope this is a fluke, but this is the final example I need from ASUS to not buy their products. -TSG
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So I recently switched to a new rig with following specs: CPU: i5 13500 Mobo: Gigabyte B760m DS3H DDR4 RAM : 16x2 T-force delta CL 16 3200mhz CPU cooler: Deepcool Ak400 I wanted higher clock speed on my CPU on all core tasks so I raised the PL1 from 65(stock) to 90 Watts and PL2 to 120 Watts. I ran cinebench r23 on a 10 min loop where my cpu temps stayed under 78°c throughout the test but my VRM temp reached 100°c at around 3 mins mark and then my clock speeds dropped to 3.4ghz and power draw dropped to 65 watts. I then dropped the PL2 to 105 watts and my clock speed dropped to 4.3ghz on p-cores but it passed the whole 10 mins without dropping the clock speeds and the max temp for VRM was 95°c this time around. Just to be safe I dropped the Pl2 again to 101 watts and now vrm temps goes upto 92°c during 10 mins cinebench test(The screenshot is of 101watt test). Is it normal? Or is the mobo that bad?
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I bought a second hand PNY GTX 980ti reference design, the card ran with no issues. I did notice in the early stages of use the reference cooler seemed that it couldn't handle the temperatures at that time i averaged 75°C to 85°C+. I made the decision to purchase the kraken G12 to solve this issue, as it did solve the gpu core temperatures after several weeks of used I encountered another issue random game crashes that eventually lead to my entire pc freezing. I did some research which lead me to suspect it was the memory, I tried using gpuz to get an accurate reading of the temperatures, i did not find any sensors that gives me a read out. I resorted to touching the memory from the backside of the pcb while at idle they felt very hot to touch so hot that a couple seconds of exposure would be painful. I then deicide to purchase vrm/memory heatsinks on amazon in the hope that it would solve my issue it did not I will provide pictures showing where I placed the heatsinks. I removed the gpu completely as I would like to avoid damaging it, any help would greatly be appreciated. Thanks all. 20230707_105342.jpg
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Good morning! Yesterday, I took apart my PC in order to clean it. Now that I rebuilt it, the VRMs are getting very hot, to the point where it throttles the CPU. All fans are working and blowing air to the same direction. I believe it's the VRMs because it is not Windows related, since I installed a new version, it's not the BIOS, because settings are the same, and the CPU temps never go over 70C. I am using an I7-9700, Corsair H60 and an ASUS TUF H310M Gaming Plus
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So... this is the situation, I've noticed, or at least I think I have, that my VRM thermal pads have started to leak oil, which Google says is quite normal for cheap pads, my question is ... right in the title, are those fumes from the oil toxic? I'm asking because the cheapest pad + shipping that I've been able to find (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07YWTSGBT?linkCode=gs2&tag=gchblog-21&th=1) that are of course still useful, would cost me ~10€, which I can't really afford at the moment and even if I could they sadly wouldn't just teleport to me, it would take some time (8-18 days), but do to the current blessing that is the pandemic I still need and want to use my PC every day, all day. So basically... how much time do I have left doctor?
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Hey peeps, I'm currently building a new PC and I"m choosing between 2 Motherboards: B550 aorus pro AC and the AX. the point that worries me that the newer AX board has "12+2 phases digital twin power design (6+6 Phases parallel power design)" but the older AC one has "true 12+2 phases". I'm fine with the older ac wifi and the lack of the type-C header on the AC board but I want some flexibility with the processor as I plan on upgrading it in some time and might play with overclocking too. What do you peeps think?!
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Hi, I'm new here, so I'm sorry if this is an FAQ. I just watched the entertaining and educational video on how motherboards work, and I have a couple of questions: I understand why VRM is important, but why is it on the motherboard, why not inside the power supply? for memory, T-topology is best for 2 memory module in each channel, daisychain is best with 1 mem in each channel (but then you really want just 1 slot per channel). But how do I figure out which topology my motherboard has? Specifically I want to know the topology of the Gigabyte TRX40 Aorus Wifi Pro that I already ordered, but I am really curious about the general case here. I can't find anything relating to "topology" in the manual.
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So for my graduation i have to do a presentation over a subject i like in physics and the only one i like is the one talking about capacitors. VRMs are made of capacitors; so i decided to make my essay on them, but i want to know what is the reason you need good VRMs to get to higher voltages, like what happens to the capacitors that leads to system instability ?
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so im confused.. im thinking to final out my mobo for new build of mine... and confused about if asus Prime b560m-A will give max powerlimits to i5-11400F? i know by default, most mobos limit cpu to 65W for longterm loads. which throttles clockspeeds.. i want it to run at 4.2ghz all cores all the time... dont worry about temps. ill be using vetroo v5 cooler...(or if thats not enoughthn suggest any cooler under 50$ bucks...) its locked so im not wasting too much on cooler since i wanna save money for a good gpu like 3060 ti FE.thanks in adv!
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If I understand correctly, the first two sections are 6 phases towards the CPU and 1 phase towards other components (e.g. RAM), but what does the third section mean? An example with this layout would be the B660M DS3H: https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B660M-DS3H-DDR4-rev-10#kf
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Hye everyone again. I'm thinking to buy between these 2 boards. Need some advise. I know, both were "cheap, crappy" for many, but just help me choose the better out these 2. - (kindly, don't recommend pricier board, i'm from Malaysia, only these 2 fits my needs) Hopefully you can read through first, otherwise you might advise based on common assumptions. Conditions: *NO OVERCLOCKING. *95TDP CPU AT MAX. *will be using it for heavy gaming(long hours), but *NO CASING/OPEN BENCH. *WILL USE STOCK COOLER/BLOWDOWN COOLER FOR VRM COOLING. About the boards(- the one with heatsink might seem better but read on), -The B460M-A have heatsink on it. But then, -It seems to wimpier VRM compared to R2.0. R2.0 have around 20 Mosfets(larger surface area) but only 13 on the non R2.0. Maybe R2.0 might have lower load on each mosfet, hence less heat produced in the first place + it have better chokes-cleaner supply ?. -As said, i'll using cooler that blows on VRM and boards from past(Sandy bridges times, tdp up to 100w),even have wimpier VRM. So, mybe these boards SHALL be fine without Heatsink? -The non R2.0, have lesser mosfets for the ram too, while still having 4 dims(which i might fully populate). Question: Which is better in terms of VRM/Power delivery for cpu ? One board seem to have wimpier VRM but with heatsink and vice versa. Thanks in advance.
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I have a gigabyte b550m s2h it has 5 phrase for vcore . for the highe site it has 4c10n and for the lower site it is using two 4c06n in paralal ... so it should probably handle a 8 core processor very easily .... my quistion is can I overclock a 5800x extreeeeeeeeamly for 24 hrs a day on this motherboard ??? I'm concerned about the vrm heatsink
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Hi all. First time posting here. I've been really enjoying the WAN show lately so it's about time I joined the forums. So I'm considering the MSI MEG Z590I Unify motherboard for my i9-10850K build. Already purchased the CPU, got a great deal on it. I'm pretty much set on this board because I absolutely need the native Thunderbolt connectivity for professional audio work (audio interfaces tend to be finicky with expansion cards) and it's the only Thunderbolt board currently in stock in my region. I like its other features and form factor too. I'll probably go for a micro-ATX case rather than a mini-ITX for better airflow and CPU cooler clearance, while still keeping it fairly portable. No GPU for now but hopefully later on. I don't plan to do any extreme overclocking, but I'd still like to do some reasonable OC for editing and transcoding video, rendering big audio projects with CPU-intensive plugins, some database work, compiling and virtualization. Needless to say I'm also a heavy multi-tasker and serial browser tabs abuser (don't give me that look, Linus!). Here's where things get interesting... There are very few reviews of the Z590I Unify out there and they're not comprehensive, but there's a lot of tests and reviews of the previous generation MSI Z490I Unify showing it was a competent overclocker. Supposedly the Z590I has the exact same VRM solution. There are some minor changes in the layout, though. For instance, the little VRM cooling fan and the fan grill on the rear are now closer to the top instead of near the middle, probably because of the added rear ports. But looking at the pictures side to side something stood out to me: on the Z590I there are no capacitors next to the inductors to the left of the CPU socket. I thought they could be hidden under the heatsink, but I found a sublimely auto-translated review with photos where they took it apart and presto chango, still no capacitors along the left inductors. The capacitor count by the top inductors is the same on both boards and the other caps around the I/O also seem equivalent. Does this board actually have 5 fewer VRM capacitors than its predecessor? Now, my knowledge of VRMs is very limited, I recon there may be some other components making up for it. Does anyone know if those missing capacitors would affect the overclocking performance or reliability? Does that make it more prone to power spikes or instability? Will the Samsung Girl steal my heart from A Goofy Movie's Roxanne? Find out after a word from our sponsor. Also, if anyone has any experience with that board I'd love to read your general comments about it. Cheers! Image 1 - Rear panel comparison (fan grill location) Image 2 - Z490I & Z590I side to side Images 3 & 4 - Close ups of Z590I Unify, heat sinks removed
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I already have both boards in my possession, and just wondering which I should keep for myself. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/dmGnTW/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-atx-am4-motherboard-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LcYQzy/gigabyte-x570-ud-atx-am4-motherboard-x570-ud afaik x570 UD and gaming x use the same VRMs https://www.gigabyte.com/Comparison/Result/2?pids=6895,7009 which mobo is better for a 3800x? TUF is VRM utilizes 12+2 while gigabyte is 10+2 Phases Digital VRM Solution, im not sure which has a better power delivery x570 boards compared: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14161/the-amd-x570-motherboard-overview/2 ASUS TUF GAMING X570 PLUS: When it comes to power delivery, there is a lot to unpack here. The VRM configuration of the ASUS TUF GAMING X570 PLUS (WI-FI) is advertised as having 12+2 phases. This is misleading in our opinion as it’s nothing of the kind. The ASP1106GGQW controller operates in a 4+2 phase mode. This is curious as looking at the VRM would lead you to conclude that it is a 12 phase board given how many Vishay SIC639 50A power stages there are on the board. ASUS chose to use three times the power stages and three times the chokes normally found for a single power phase. There are no doublers here, and really, this is a very fat four-phase configuration. In theory, this can supply over 600a of power to the CPU, or just under 300a at 90% efficiency. We verified this by taking the VRM heatsink off and looked closely at the VRM configuration. There are no doublers on this configuration. Now, we do not have a technical document for the motherboard, therefore we can’t be 100% sure this is correct, but from our opinion looking at the layout, this is what we see from an outside perspective. ASUS uses 5k rated capacitors on the ASUS TUF GAMING X570 PLUS (WI-FI), which by itself isn’t surprising at this price point. These capacitors are rated for 125c which is excellent. It’s easy to conclude these will probably last way longer than 5,000 hours given that they are rated for higher than normal temperatures. Of course, your mileage may vary on that. There are some net benefits to this VRM design. The primary benefit is lower cost than a more traditional VRM implementation. Another is a lower transient response, which ASUS touts every chance they get. However, there are ways of improving transient response that doesn’t involve cutting your phases, doubling or tripling the inductors, or tripling the number of power stages. Lastly, the remaining net benefit is that of efficiency. When the VRM isn’t stressed, it should run very cool and provide great performance. However, when this VRM is taxed heavily enough, you’ll start to see its limitations. This is why I don’t recommend pairing it with a 12 or 16 core Ryzen, and then overclocking it. It’s fine with the 8c/16t parts at stock or overclocked speeds. With a 12 core, I think you’d be fine at stock speeds. Overclocking it, can obviously be done, but the VRM is ill-suited for that. At least, it won’t be nearly as efficient doing so as a board with a more robust VRM. -from https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/10/06/asus-tuf-gaming-x570-plus-wi-fi-motherboard-review/ GIGABYTE’s X570 Gaming X features a digital VRM with 10+2 phase power utilizing lower RDS(on) MOSFETs. It features 10 phases for vCore and 2 for SOC voltage. In truth, this is a 5 phase design employing ISL6617 phase doublers which support both interleaving and current balancing. These doublers are what allow the native 5 phases to reach a 10+2 phase configuration. This isn’t as beefy a design as its upper echelon offerings but this is a more than capable design that can power your 3950X with ease. The board features an ISL6974 7 phase voltage controller running in 5+2 phase mode. You will also notice that there is only one 8-pin CPU power connector. Given that this can supply around 380w of power, it’s enough for even the 3950X. -from https://www.thefpsreview.com/2020/04/10/gigabyte-x570-gaming-x-motherboard-review/3/#ftoc-heading-5
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Hi, I recently got new AMD platform, 5600x with Aorus Elite X570, the CPU is watercooled and temps never exceeds 63 on gaming, however, I noticed the VR Loop which should represent VRM temps as I read are high with 80c Max during gameplay. Also, regarding DRAM temps are they ok with 70c Max. RAMs are 4 x 8GB 3200mhz 16-18-18-36 OCed to 3466mhz 16-19-19-32. 1.4v DRAM voltage and 1.148v SoC voltage. the CPU is on PBO advanced - Motherboard limit - Negative 25 Curve - Auto Scalar - +200mhz overdrive. I noticed that voltage hit 1.4v on regular CPU for the CPU which is higher for my taste compared to my previous Intel builds but I read its normal for Ryzen. Not sure if 80c on VRM for Ryzen is normal or not as its surely not for Intel? any advice on how to limit the voltage spikes or should I use manual OC?
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Is there a way of creating a fan curve based on VRM temp? If so, what software can be used if any? Been using ye old speedfan on my current 3570k rig. I'm due an upgrade soon and want to build a "zero moving parts at idle" PC. Basically achieved it with my current rig with the expense of VRM's running hotter than the sun (overclocked CPU etc.), and no way of seeing VRM temps directly as my old mobo doesn't have VRM temp sensors. I don't really care about the longevity of my current rig but if I upgrade and do tinker with overclocking on some AM4 stuff, I would like the motherboard to survive a decent lifecycle. FYI for the CPU cooler I'm planning to re-use my old Shadow Rock 2 with a new AM4 mount, as it has a nice "open on all sides" design, allowing for a nice convection current up and out the top of my case even without the fan spinning. And no, I will achieve my goal, even if it becomes impractical and needs some manual raspberry pi controlled dedicated VRM fan! So no "just deal with a low rpm fan" comments please! This is just a bit of a fun and a personal challenge!
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Well, the title says the first and foremost: I regret everything. Nevertheless, I'm in this hole now and so I need to make camp. I have a 16" MacBook Pro with an i9-9880H and a 5600M. Despite the 5600M being a very competent chip, I failed to realise something: it puts heat into the same cooler as the CPU. When gaming, they have to share the same credit card cooler and it has some, ahem, interesting side effects. Namely, the CPU will almost never go above 2Ghz when gaming. It'll usually just sit around 1.78Ghz or 1.67Ghz. Sometimes, if it's feeling extra miserable, it'll even go down to 1.3Ghz which is a very fun experience. I'm well aware this is a cooling issue because Throttlestop is telling me BDPROCHOT basically constantly. Fun fact: the MacBook Pro 16" will actually throttle even if the CPU is well below 90 degrees celsius. Why? Well, the VRMs overheat! Fun, that. Anyway, question of the day: would an eGPU, effectively removing the 5600M from the cooling problem, at least get me to base clock while gaming? My reasoning is simply that if the internal GPU is doing nothing, it aught to give the CPU more breathing room, right? I mean, it'd still be like moving from a rubber mask to a pillow - still a smothering that will eventually chime the bells of death by warpage - but an improvement? If anyone has access to at least similar hardware, I'd love to hear what your results were.
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What is this oily residue? I saw this a month back and cleaned it with 99 IPA and it was gone. And today I see it came back. Google says its thermal pad oil secretion. I am 100% certain its not capacitor juice as all capacitors in that area are intact and can be seen from both side. GPU is a 1660s from Zotac.
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I purchased a ROG B550i and was wondering if anyone has either of these processors in one. My worry is the weak VRM setup on the B550i will prevent me from getting those higher boost clocks or instability when i OC. If anyone can let me know what's the best ITX board to push an OC 5950X / 5900X i'd appreciate it. Thanks.
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Sorry in advance if this sounds like a noob question So I am going to build a pc but I am stuck on deciding on which motherboard I should get (MSI Mag B550m Bazooka or gigabyte a520 aorus elite).Tho i also want to know if their vrms are different and which one is more “future proof”. thanks
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Hello everyone I need help on trying to figure out if it’s really the atx 8 pin connector that is my problem. I was just moving my desk and I decided to turn off my computer by turning the switch in the power supply then when I tried turning it on again it would do nothing just the RGB lights on the board would come on when I press the power button I would get the cpu light blink and fade an the ram stick RGB would turn on too but when I unplug the the 8 pin connector the fans would start spinning but nothing else no post nothing I have no clue why this happened other than me turning off the power supply while the computer was still on could it be that my mobo is dead ? I have also read something about a vrm but to be honest I don’t really get it . Ps:I have a B450 aorus pro wifi moderboard amd Ryzen 2700x cpu GeForce rtx 2600 oc pro 6g and some weird ddr4 ram
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