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I want to upgrade to both AM5 and DDR5 but don't know what motherboard is best for value. I don't need bells and whistles like Wifi, Bluetooth, RGB, Ect. I really only need a decent amount of sata ports, and least 2 M.2/NVME ports. I don't have a massive budget and I already have to save for the RAM and CPU, so I ask you legendary LTT veiwers and users what the best value motherboard is that meets this criteria.
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RTX 3000 CUDA Cores %cores %cores CUDA Cores RTX 4000 GA102 10752 100% 100% 18432 AD102 3090ti 24GB $2000 10752 100% 3090 24GB $1500 10496 97.6% 3080ti 12GB $1200 10240 95.2% 88.9% 16384 4090 24GB $1600 3080 12GB $800 8960 83.3% 3080 10GB $700 8704 81.0% 79.2% 14592 4090D 24GB $1600 3070ti 8GB $600 6144 57.1% 55.6% 10240 4080 S 16GB $1000 3070 8GB $500 5888 54.8% 52.8% 9728 4080 16GB $1200 3060ti 8GB $400 4864 45.2% 45.8% 8448 4070ti S 16GB $800 41.7% 7680 4070ti 12GB $800 38.9% 7168 4070 S 12GB $600 3060 12GB $330 3584 33.3% 31.9% 5888 4070 12GB $600 3050 8GB $250 2560 23.8% 23.6% 4352 4060ti 8GB $400 3050 6GB $250 2048 19.0% 16.7% 3072 4060 8GB $300 13.9%? 2560? 4050 6GB? $250? The important takeaways: Nvidia is upselling their binning scheme for what cut of silicon they call what tier of card with respect to RTX 3000 series. What I demonstrate here is that each card is upsold at least 1 tier, if not 2 tiers, like the example of the RTX 3050 8GB versus RTX 4060ti 8GB. they're practically speaking ~24% the CUDA cores of the fully unlocked architecture, yet 2 tiers apart in name. Each RTX 4000 series card excluding the RTX 4090, is about twice the price of its equivalent tier of RTX 3000 series. Even then, the RTX 4090 falls into a silicon bin between $800 and $1200, which isn't too far off of half of $1600. Yes, the die sizes aren't 1:1, but they're close. We're talking 628 versus 608, being 96.8% the same, which tracks down proportionally to the lesser GPUs with comparable CUDA core counts (naming isn't 1:1 so I compare die sizes). @LinusTech talks about how we shouldn't compare GPU dies like this and should look purely at the price/performance, but I think RTX 4000 series shows where this is limited. We should clearly be getting better value and performance out of this generation and we're not. The only way I see to explain why is with this matrix above. I've done some data gathering and analysis when comparing benchmarks based on this adjusted matrix, but I think its still warranted. When I last did so it was only when the RTX 4090, 4080, 4070ti released, so I'm unsure if it still tracks. The theory being that we should be able to measure the actual Ampere to Ada Lovelace generational improvement by using this adjusted matrix. I don't think this is a hot take, but I've gotten plenty of pushback on this subject since the RTX 4080/4070ti was announced with specs. Feel free to question the applicability of this, but ideally refute it with benchmarks showing non proportional gaps between the adjusted intergenerational gap (if you can). If you look at the metric $/core, this is the breakdown based on rounded up MSRP (because $0.99 nonsense is stupid). Lower = better. 4090 24GB $1600- 0.0977 4080 16GB $1200- 0.123 4070ti 12GB $800- 0.104 4070 12GB $600- 0.102 4060ti 8GB $400- 0.0920 4060 8GB $300- 0.0977
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We all know that on launch, the extra $50 to go from the 7700 XT to 7800 XT was well worth it, but what price would we consider the 7700 XT worth it? Considering I'm seeing the 7700 XT go on sale for $430, at what point should we start recommending it? $400? $380? Obviously, the relative price/performance should exceed that of the 7800 XT, to follow the standard 'value' argument cards should follow (exception being RTX 4000 series but that's a nightmare in its own when the $1600 card is one of the best value options...) SAPPHIRE PULSE Radeon RX 7700 XT Video Card | Newegg - Newegg.com Thoughts?
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Atm im wondering how I can spec out a desktop to beat or match a 13900hx + 4080 laptop for £1900 give or take £50 including a colour accurate monitor (was budgeting £250 but maybe less if there is a good monitor worth it).... right now im looking at a 7900x and 4070 for the system with the possibility of a 7950x and whilst I have looked at intel the price, heat and power consumption seem to be a bit high not to mention the lack of an upgrade path later down the road.... (Ik AMDs word is questionable but if the system even got 2 gens of cpus out the socket that would be great) also minimum ram would be 32gbs Essentially, this is a system that needs room to grow into so needs to be "future proof" to an extent as the amount of power needed will grow day by day as projects become more complex. Thanks for the help in advance, Lex.
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Happen to notice some deals on Intel 12th generation and Intel Arc that are quite interesting. 12600k for $185- Intel Core i5-12600K - Core i5 12th Gen Alder Lake 10-Core (6P+4E) 3.7 GHz LGA 1700 125W Intel UHD Graphics 770 Desktop Processor - BX8071512600K - Newegg.com Intel Arc A380 for $100- ASRock Challenger Arc A380 Video Card A380 CLI 6G OC - Newegg.com Intel Arc A770 16GB for $300- ASRock Phantom Gaming Arc A770 Video Card A770 PG 16GO - Newegg.com Intel Arc having an interesting pricing setup currently, being $100, $200, $300 for the A380, A750, A770 respectively. I currently have the A380 I linked which I've done testing on, surprisingly capable GPU for its cost. In my opinion, a very capable spare GPU. 12600k for $185 puts it very close to the 12400f's $150 price point, which in my opinion is a solid value, given its cheaper than the 12600kf even right now. Thoughts?
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Edit* Officially, the specs have been released... Speculative hot take: RTX 4060 isn't that bad, but we'll see when benchmarks come out. 3072 cores versus the previous speculation of 3840 is a large difference... Gauging on the specs, the RTX 4060 should perform about -10% to the RTX 4060ti, which puts it between the 3060 12GB and 3060ti. GeForce RTX 4060 Launching June 29th, Starting At $299 | GeForce News | NVIDIA In Nvidia's own promotion material, they're marketing strategy is somewhat decent here. This is a genuine argument especially in a place like Europe where electricity is far more expensive than in the US (as demonstrated above). Considering the RTX 3060 12GB released at $330 back in early 2021, the inflation between then and now is about 11.5%. Factoring in that cost and gauging off the closest proportional silicon binning intergenerationally (RTX 3050 8GB), that would put the ~cost at $287. Considering its (hopefully MSRP) $300 for the next generation, that's not terrible, especially in comparison to the rest of the RTX 4000 series which I've discussed in detail in another thread. Since the card will likely have a PCIe 4.0 8x connection like the RTX 4060ti, the discussion comes up as a drop in upgrade on an older PCIe 3.0 system. I've seen varied reports on this, where it can be anywhere from substantial to insignificant, depending on the system and games tested. Considering the variables, $300 in 2023 for potentially -10% from the 4060ti puts the card in a whole other tier. 25% reduced cost for only 10% reduced performance is the best CUDA cores/$ for the RTX 4000 series so far, by a lot. Maybe it'll be worth it for 1080p/1440p gamers? VRAM is a point of concern, but only for some titles, something that DLSS can alleviate. Yes a 16GB model would be better, but that might come at the cost of performance due to memory bandwidth limitations on a 128bit bus, and a disproportionately higher price tag. If you look at the metric $/core, this is the breakdown based on rounded up MSRP (because $0.99 nonsense is stupid). Lower = better. 4090 24GB $1600- 0.0977 4080 16GB $1200- 0.123 4070ti 12GB $800- 0.104 4070 12GB $600- 0.102 4060ti 8GB $400- 0.0920 4060 8GB $300- 0.0781 4060 8GB $300- 0.0977, AKA, worse than the RTX 4060ti. This value should go down as you go lower in tiers, but noting the sharp differences with the RTX 4090 and RTX 4060 8GB versus the rest.
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GIGABYTE Radeon RX 6600 EAGLE 8G Graphics Card, WINDFORCE 3X Cooling System, 8GB 128-bit GDDR6, GV-R66EAGLE-8GD Video Card - Newegg.com I feel like for $180, that's hard to argue against. Opinions?
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Anyone notice how the price for used steam controllers has been climbing, or how the prices for NIB/factory sealed ones are going for the hundreds typically? Do you imagine this is foreshadowing a possible return (not necessarily by Valve, but by someone who realizes the value of a controller that acts more like traditional mouse and keyboard and its appreciation by the market at large)? Maybe it's just the fact that it's discontinued, but it's interesting nonetheless.
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intel Intel i5 10400f vs AMD Ryzen 5 5600x
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Is there a reason why no one is talking about the i5 10400f? Here in the UK it retails at half the cost of a Ryzen 5 5600x. The 10400f is 6 core and 12 threads and manages to keep up or barely lags behind more than 10fps. I can't justify the cost of the 5600x? Not to mention the 10400f is actually in stock as well. Benchmarks comparing the both at 1080p and 1440p: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IljccxCltaw -
this has been listed on overclockers for just over a week now with the price fluctuating up and down from £449 to currently £398 and then I'm guessing it will go back up. I'm just wondering if there is any value in buying this and if there will be many more on other sites for more competative prices. Personally I think the 2060 is a decent enough card from what I have read and seen - according to userbenchmark it is only 10% slower than the rtx 3060. But I would like to hear anyone elses thoughts on the matter weather in the current situation this is a value option or not. link to rtx 2060 on overclockers uk - https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-rtx-2060-stormx-6144mb-gddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-04n-pl.html?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=86b40fec804af632803563342e2dbd0f94d5c859-1616938924-0-AUoDFBCddEOPST3Ys7QmMr4M6PUfr8YvMa7KYvQD0ozkN3xS6EQd1vRTN7XpaPEQEoJqH4E_xMWWB9k_tnAS-BZNSbup6nRE6zqARA5MFVuzZUaarvnjdeC3tMhESSmoXnjJ7sQ-LA_AEbwyP49QlP-licDuBqLaYrm2H83XI-HTMAYIcu_6eBf99FfYd1FyMSNUDFjPyYPwcK3pgEYjmy4FWCRVKdsEAEJJYjJLNhW0lA3ALO_BMnsPpSoyE98dNcGm2p1_nH30H6C4tKxFOFWfIFXHqXHGIiwiLlYKaeBtFei3uHB8K234bDUHYLODc8dOzZZ3Hv3Y2mb110iWpIbt9Is6kXAmWxMuGP1zDeqJQ4LXibZkMg6qLOlM7QlubaMxErL82UQFyiPVTAOWK9A8yk39jbAyoHlO4Eumw01OEoWsXQCDQRT0UmlGAb5v5RsZ4AGx5GdBwQ3Vq0mARU3oU_LmhHlOmuIGkj2irRwCriPLUTwlA9Rfn1KnR0YdMw link to user benchmark data - https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-3060-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2060/4105vs4034
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Hi all, I’ve been doing some research lately on what the best laptop deals are during this current market. I Have a few ones I found listed below and would love input which one would be the best bang for the buck but factoring in reliability and performance. First up: MSI Stealth 15M A11UEK-021 Highlights: 144hz, Core i7-11375H, Nvidia 3060, 16GB DDR4 3200MHz, 1TB NVMe SSD, $1549.99 USD https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-stealth-15m Second up: Dell G7 15 Gaming Laptop Highlights: 144hz, Core i7-10750H, Nvidia 2070, 32GB DDR4 2933MHz, 1TB M.2 PCIe NVMe, $1549.99 USD https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-laptops/dell-g7-15 Third up: ASUS ROG Zephyrus 14” Gaming Laptop Highlights: 144hz, 4th Gen Ryzen 9, Nvidia 3060, 16GB DDR4 3200MHz, 1TB NVMe SSD, $1499.99 USD https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-rog-zephyrus-14 Fourth Up: Razer Blade 15 Base Edition Highlights: 144hz, Core i7-10750H, Nvidia 2070, 16GB DDR4 2933MHz, 512GB M.2 NVMe SSD, $1599.99 USD https://www.razer.com/gaming-laptops/Razer-Blade-15 There are some other key features I left out such as Nit Brightness, lack of ports such as thunderbolt, and Battery Size. These should all be available in the links provided. Would love to hear you thoughts and suggestions!
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How much would you pay for this system in CAD$$ Corsair carbide 600c inverse atx case Intel i5-4670k 3.4gz Corsair Vengence Ram 2x 8gb - EVGA 780 TI + EK waterblock - Asus Sabertooth z97 Motherboard - 500 gb SSD - 2 tb Hard Drive - EVGA supernova 1000 w modular power supply - Water cooling ( 2x radiators, pump, reservoir) - High-end fans throughout -Windows 10 - Razer mechanical keyboard, Logitech mouse and Logitech headset. Note: Would it be a upgrade to switch out i5 4670k with i7 4770k. and add 16gb more Ram and RX580 thanks
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Hey, so I own a Lenovo ideapad flex 5 with ryzen 3 4300u with 8GB RAM and I found out that it has a second m.2 (PCI-e 3.0) slot (2280) in addition to the already occupied (2242) one. The ssd this laptop came with is quite tiny for me (250GB), so I figured It'd be nice If I occupy the second slot with another 500GB NVMe ssd. Consider that I'll use whichever of the 2 drives is faster for the system allocated partition as well as page file. Question is, is there any actual real world benefit to buying something speedy and fancier like a Samsung EVO Plus (3500/3300 r/w) or should I just go with whatever is the cheapest 500GB one that goes up to 2000/1500 r/w. Are there any actual benefits to having 1GB extra max speed cap or is it just an overkill anyways? Things I do: some light engineering stuff (CAD, Matlab), photo editing (Photoshop), light gaming (WoW, CS:GO), I play around with Linux distros in VMs and I do office work. I am a seeker of performance (deminished by a tight budget lol) so value it is for me. If there are any benefits (e.g. faster page file r/w, quicker load times) then I could go for the Samsung one and max out the PCI-e 3.0 interface...but if it's just BS, I'd rather not. No ram slots (I know it sucks, but I can actually multitask with no problems considering my workloads even when I open everything just to watch it struggle, it's still snappy enough), so I do have a lot of page file actions going on sometimes, so that's the main think I care to boost with a faster drive, if possible. Thanks in advance! Cheers! P.S. Also how would that go for the battery life? I assume it'll drain faster with 2 drives powered on. A faster SSD would finish file transfers in less time so that'd reduce power usage I guess. If the workload consists of tiny transfers happening all the time that wouldn't be valid, tho, I also guess.
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Hi people . Just asking on what people’s thoughts are on the value of my pc . I am not sure one how I would value it. Preferably in English pounds specs: AMD Ryzen 9 3900 GTX 1660 Super 32GB RAM MSI B450M motherboard i have owned it for a year now . Hasn’t played any over the top games . ( usually older games ) and has no external or internal damage . Regularly cleaned ect . thanks for the help
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Budget (Euro): 700€ Country: Germany Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: General Web browsing, Meshmixer, Fusion 360, Photoshop, MS Office, Rainbow Six Siege, Warzone Existing Parts: 4 x 8Gb Gskill Trident Z 3200 CL16 Memory Use case and basic information: I mainly need my PC for university work. So basic Software like MS Office is obviously my main use case. Besides that I do some 3D Modeling (Meshmixer, Fusion 360) and some light Photoshop/Lightroom work. I am planning to run this PC on a basic and cheap 1080p 75hz Monitor so I don't care about high resolution. The occasional game will be played on this machine as well but it is not my focus for this build. I also don't need a lot of storage for now. I already have a set of 4 x 8GB GSkill Trident Z 3200Mhz Memory which I plan on using in this build. So far I have been planing this build: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x Nvidia GTX 1650 Super 32 GB 3200Mhz GSkill Memory MSI B450 Tomahawk 500GB P2 Crucial M.2 NVME 650W Corsair Power Supply I was looking for a 550W PS but I found a package deal with the B450 board + 650W Corsair PS and a case which would be pretty cost effective at 90€. I also looked at the Ryzen 7 3700x instead of the 5600x but I think for my light workload I don't need the 8cores. Any ideas, thoughts or criticisms are welcome. Thank you for reading and have a great day.
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Hey everyone, So i've recently built a pc with a ryzen 5 5600X currently i'm using the stock cooler but i'm planning on changing the stock wraith stealth cooler to get better temps. I'm trying to decide if i should go for an air vs liquid cooler. I wanted to know if the drop in temperature justifies the price of going from a budget ish air cooler to a 240 mm aio. I'm currently living in egypt so i'll share some options available to me and their prices. So for air cooling i was considering something like the Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED Turbo ARGB which costs 1290 egp which is equivalent to 82.13$ If i go for an aio i would consider the lian li galahad 240mm or the cooler master ml240 illusion which both cost around 140$ on average where i live. I wanted to know if the price increase from air to liquid is worth it for the extra cooling or not, and if possible what kind of cooling performance would i be expecting form both.
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I put read description because I know people are gonna say, “Of course a DGPU is better! Are you crazy?” What I meant is that is it better to go on eBay and get a 900/1000 series GPU, like 960, 970, 1050(Ti) etc, or to get an iGPU from AMD or Intel? I have been wondering these because I watch build guides on YouTube and I see below $1000 builds with an APU/iGPU and ones with a 1050 Ti, 960, etc. And what I mean by below $1000 is flat price-points like $500 or $750. In conclusion, which one is best for value? Or, below $1000?
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I am shopping for a general use monitor (casual gaming, video watching, documents). Newegg happens to be having this deal: https://www.newegg.ca/p/N82E16824012015?Item=N82E16824012015&Description=1440p&cm_re=1440p-_-24-012-015-_-Product Is this a good deal for the monitor and is it a good value monitor? Should I wait for a better deal on this monitor?
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CPU: ryzen 7 1800x GPU: amd radeon rx580 armor oc edition MOTHERBOARD: B450 tomohawk max COOLER: Coolermaster masterliquid ml240 v2 RAM: 16gb ddr4 2400mhz PSU:corsair 550w cv series CASE:Corsair 175r rgb midtower gaming case HDD:2tb 7200rpm seagate barracuda SSD: 120gb sata nvme Extras: 2 x nzxt case fans 2 x rgb generic case fans
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I'm in the UK and have been using a 13.3" Toshiba CR2 Chromebook since 2015 for watching YouTube and Netflix around the house. I can't watch YouTube at higher than 720p without stuttering and lagging, and even at that resolution Netflix stutters and lags a lot. I figure it's time to replace it and I'd like to replace it with a tablet, as it takes up a lot less space on a kitchen counter, is easier to use in bed or in a car when waiting to collect someone, and generally will be a more pleasant experience for media consumption than using a desktop OS. The big issue I'm having is that 12" is the smallest screen size I feel I could be happy with, although I'd prefer 13", but the only tablets I've found with that size are way too high end and expensive for my needs as I do not play games on this device, nor take photos, although I could conceivably make video calls occasionally. The two devices I've found so far are: Samsung Galaxy Tab S7+ (£719, 12.4" screen, looks like a great screen but it's expensive) Apple iPad Air 2020 (£579, 10.9" screen, a bit too small but looks like a great screen, but again very expensive) Apple iPad Pro (£969, 12.9" screen, great screen size but incredibly expensive) I don't need the vast majority of features on these tablets so I'm hoping there's an alternative out there that meets my needs, but after several weeks of searching, watching YouTube videos rounding up tablets and reading reviews and blog posts, I have not managed to find any. My feature wish list is: 12"+ screen Can play 1080p60 video without any issues like stuttering, lagging or hitching Has a front-facing camera in case I want to make a video call Has stereo speakers (preferably front-firing if possible) Has decent battery life to be able to last for at least four hours watching video at a reasonable brightness and volume level Not incredibly expensive Is what I'm looking for unreasonable? Is this something that doesn't exist on the market? What would you suggest I get? Any help, ideas or recommendations would be greatly appreciated!
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FOR THE SAME PRICE WHICH IS BETTER ?
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Is there a cpu that has the best value? Is there one that can be overclocked to the same speed as another for cheaper? Interested in hearing what you guys think!
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There are dozens of CPUs on the market for both productivity and gaming, but one stands tall above the rest – Why is everyone buying it?