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NVIDIA is set to introduce the GeForce RTX 4090 D graphics card in China, aligning with US export regulations. This move comes in response to the suspension of sales for the NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 in China and certain markets since November 17. Quotes $1599 for the new SKU and the 4090 keeps at $1999 -- Nvidia (stocks) wins again while we simply get another overpriced D. Sources https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-4090-d-china-exclusive-flagship-gaming-gpu-us-compliance/
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Summary RTX 4090D released today, binning puts it below RTX 3080 10GB in terms of silicon quality. What I find interesting is how chopped the AD102 GPU is but still maintains its 384 bit bus and 24GB of VRAM. 14952 Cuda cores is a significant reduction compared to the 16384 of the normal RTX 4090. My thoughts Updated RTX 3000 vs 4000 binning scheme chart: What I'll be curious to see is if we get an RTX 4080ti, if it'll be a 320bit 20GB card. It's quite possible that it'll fall below the 14592 CUDA core count in the 13,000-14,000 core region, potentially at the bottom of what the AD102 GPU can reach. The rest of the story on the 4090D isn't what I'm interested in, but potentially how this affects the RTX 4080ti (if we ever see one), since there's a huge cap in AD102 GPUs between the RTX 5000 Ada's 12800 (256 bit bus) and the now second lowest bin, the 4090D, at 14952 (384 bit bus). NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Ti Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database This is speculative, since TechPowerUp's projected die configuration has been wrong before (looking at you RTX 4060, shown above lined out). I'm still hopeful we get an RTX 4080ti with a 20GB or higher memory buffer. Since Nvidia hasn't put out an equivalent die on the workstation side, and I doubt their binning scheme magically doesn't have a million or so dies in the 13,000-14,000 core count region, they're probably waiting for competition in the space. NVIDIA AD102 GPU Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database Sources NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 D GPU Launched In China: Reduced Cores, Similar Gaming Performance For $1599 US (wccftech.com) NVIDIA launches GeForce RTX 4090D with 14592 CUDA cores, 24GB G6X memory and 425W TDP - VideoCardz.com
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Hey I am getting some final parts for a computer I am selling. TLDR was just building it for a customer with no GPU and no RGB they now don't have the money go figure. I will now need to just flesh out the computer and sell it on ebay I have found that a Chinese brand called Soyo is selling cards for a much lower price than other western brands. I have seen reviews of their other cards and have been reasonably impressed you think it is worth purchasing? Anyone else buy cards from Soyo? I am interested because of the price but I do not want to cut on quality. link to gpu https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256805633756540.html
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Summary On 22nd May, users that are using or used Amazon China services has been notified via email that Amazon China will stop providing app store services to Chinese customers, after previously stopped Kindle-related services. Other services, such as Amazon Store and Amazon Web Service, seems unaffected. In the email, Amazon China states that: South China Morning Post has reported on this event. In their story, SCMP states that "Amazon did not give a reason for the closure". My thoughts It is another step for Amazon to retreat from Chinese Internet due to low demand and strong competitors in the market. It's not surprising, but disappointing. Sources https://www.scmp.com/tech/article/3221654/amazon-close-china-app-store-further-retreat-worlds-largest-internet-market
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This post is to discuss my concerns with my new CPU being shipped from CHINA and for you all to provide me insight on the new build that I purchased. All my parts were ordered through Amazon for convenience's sake. However, as the title says, the CPU came from some no-name 3rd party China seller and is being shipped via China Post. It is brand new and was purchased at a great deal of $325, but my concerns are that either it is going to be a fake CPU or that it will come damaged. I am also nervous about any warranties associated. I am going to inspect the factory seals as well as run check the BIOS and run CPU-Z to validate the CPU reports back as a real Ryzen 9 7900x. Should I reject the CPU if the seals are broken or the box appears to be beaten up in any way? Is there anything else I can do to validate it or calm my nerves about it? Secondly, please provide me some insight into my newest build and what I can expect to make this generational jump. I know that the GPU is being carried over, but can I still expect to see good performance gains? SEE BUILD BELOW Budget (including currency): $1100 Country: US Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: APEX Legends, Halo Infinite, Diablo 4, Albion Online, Kerbal Space Program 2 (144hz Gamer). Some casual streaming and video editing. I also leave open about 40-60 Chrome tabs on a regular basis. Other details Current Build: AMD Ryzen 7 2700x Corsair H100i RGB Platinum Liquid Cooler 16GB(2x8) DDR4 3200MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro Gigabyte AX370M-DS3H-CF AM4 Motherboard 500GB Western Digital SN750 Gen 3 NVMe SSD NVIDIA Founders RTX 2080 Super EVGA 850w B3 PSU Modular Proprietary CyberPower Computer Case Mid Tower ATX Windows 11 GIGABYTE 34" 144Hz IPS UWQHD 1ms AMD FreeSync Premium 3440x1440 Existing Parts to be carried to new build: RTX 2080 Super and Gigabyte 34" monitor Build just purchased: AMD Ryzen 9 7900x DeepCool AK500 ZERO DARK Air Cooler 240W TDP Heatsink 32GB(2x16) DDR5 G.Skill Trident Z5 RGB 6600MHz MSI MAG X670E Tomahawk WiFi 6E AM5 Motherboard 1TB SAMSUNG 980 PRO Gen 4 NVMe SSD NVIDIA Founders RTX 2080 Super Corsair RM850x Shift Modular ATX PSU ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 Corsair 4000D Airflow Tempered Glass Mid Tower ATX Computer Case Windows 11 GIGABYTE 34" 144Hz IPS UWQHD 1ms AMD FreeSync Premium 3440x1440
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Hey guys, check out what I just found I bought this card on eBay from Hong Kong. It’s a gtx 960m. The interesting thing however is that it comes in a desktop form factor! anyone seen something like this before? Images attached can’t wait to test this out
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I'm looking at used threadripper chips on eBay and noticing a lot of "made in china" on them (titles as well as on the chips themselves). Normally, I'd use that as a red flag to stay away for a higher end item but the whole "let's pretend Taiwan isn't it's own country" thing came to mind and now I gotta know the truth. Is this political BS (China forcing the international community to treat Taiwan as something it isn't, a Chinese province, and that ending up on the actual dies themselves as "made in China") or is this seller BS (a seller selling knockoff goods). Anyone know the answer to this one?
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Thank Linus and Luke talked about it on WAN show. I'm a Chinese, a Gamer, an Engineer who have been in Canada for 10+ years. Started playing online games since 10yo. I play more than 2 hours competitive Dota2/Valorant/Starcraft2 etc everyday if not working overtime. (I suck at games now, getting old) Background: Tencent published their financial report for 2nd quarter, 2021 fiscal year. English version: https://static.www.tencent.com/uploads/2021/08/18/236f212d95d7402bacdbdf904a6b2b65.pdf In Tencent 2nd Quarter report, gaming took 52% . 10+ Billion USD, more than 110 Million per day. Young people under 16yo, took 2.6%, that is 300 Million USD. Kid under 12yo, took 0.3%, yes it is low, but that is 34 Million USD. After this report published, Tencent also announced to 1 hour policy and "payment unacceptable" for under 12 yo. Btw, all games in China right now requires real ID to play, to make sure you are over 18+. This policy targeted on mobile online game more than PC online game. A decent mobile phone is $200, a decent PC, not that cheap. Since a lot kids in China now have their own mobile devices, that made some school have to ban mobile devices during school time. It's fairly easy for me to find negative news about gaming all over Chinese media - "12yo kid plays mobile games until 3am", "My son swears a lot at 11yo age since he started playing PUBG Mobile" But what are kids gonna do during the 2 month long summer holidays and new years? I think 1 hour per day is extreme, and I hope it can be changed to 1.5 or 2 hours before 10pm, and controls by the parents(if parents have time...). I want to play game with my kids in the future, since it's a big part of me. But not until 3 am.. Thanks
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Summary Because the majority of the Apple supply chain originates from China, Apple has given into increasingly larger demands to the Chinese gov't. They include holding all the data in China, building a system to skirt American laws for data, building a datacentre in China that is managed by a third party, giving up control of the Chinese data to said third party, allowing Chinese gov't access to the data, removing the Made by Apple in California branding on the back of its phones, setting up a system to block specific apps based on Chinese gov't requests (in the 10 thousands), which includes any apps that are critical of the Communist gov't in China, and building a separate bureaucracy to monitor apps inside of Apple which in the past has fired employees when the Chinese gov't complains, weakening security keys for data storage, and handing over the encryption keys to Chinese data to Chinese authorities. This is in stark contrast to the behavior of Apple in the rest of the world. China accounts for 1/5th of all sales in Apple. Quotes My thoughts While it is not much of a surprise that this is happening, this hasn't been as well documented specifically for Apple in any other story. Without getting into political topics the amount of customization that is going on here is staggering. Given the volume of interference in other countries political and electoral affairs and state sponsored hacking that China does ongoing (like other big powers) it is a little surprising that Apple has given in the way that it has and shows how dependent on China Apple and other tech players have become. This is a little reminiscent of the whole Coca-cola / fanta thing that occurred during the second world war because of the bad optics of doing business in Germany during that time. Sources https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/17/technology/apple-china-censorship-data.html
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Summary In other news of Tech Companies taking a unprofessional stance, JP ASUS today has canceled a collab with Virtual Youtube group Hololive after Chinese branch posted a non-professional community post on official bilibili, and being pressured by Chinese Anti community. No official announcement has been made other then cancellation of collab stream. Community consensus seems to think this may be a Community Rep going rogue. Rough Translations For those wondering, Hololive is a Virtual Youtuber idol group that is currently experiencing a boom in popularity. Currently they are facing some political issues, as they have become the target of Anti's. Recent incidents include Hololive being banned from streaming the popular Rhythm Game Muse Dash, and Hololive CN branch being removed. Quotes My thoughts Of course I'm a fan of Hololive, but I am also a tech fan. I just find it sad that tech companies keep dealing with these situations horribly such as Nvidia/Hardware Unboxed & MSI Scalping. It's also amazing how this all started with just the Vtuber's mentioning Taiwan in their youtube analytics (more information in sources). I was wondering if Linus had to deal with any of these Anti's, especially when he had to deal with the Blizzard fiasco. Sources https://www.paudal.com/2020/12/17/asus-asus-civil-war-china-pressures-japan-to-remove-rog-and-hololive-live-broadcast/ https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/C_Chat/M.1608196614.A.793.html https://twitter.com/search?q=asusrogjp&src=typed_query&f=live (twitter getting spammed from antis) https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/10/10/national/media-national/japanese-virtual-youtubers-china/ (how controversy started) Reddit Summary of How Controversy Started
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Linus reviewed the Tesla and said - ”Because liking a car, and I do, doesn’t mean that I like their policies and the behaviour of the company that produces it and supporting Teslas bad attitude could have negative consequences for the entire industry” In your video called ”I’ve been thinking of retiring” you say that you do not want to contribute to mindless consumption and rather about doing something meaningful. With that said I am wondering about your stand regarding the concentration camps China has in the Xinjiang region and Chinas trampling on Hong-Kong among others. If buying a Tesla was a problem for you because of the negative impact, what about the moral and ethic dilemma of buying products produced in China? I know this topic is troublesome but it is obvious that it is the elephant in the room and I need LTT to answer. The last words of a famous old uncle was with great power comes great responsibility. Please use your voice and make a real difference for the millions of people detained and prosecuted. You stood up against Nvidia and many more. Please keep standing up for what is right and use your position for something greater than out beloved tech tips is Peace and love Blackbeard
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Summary Earlier this year, the Biden administration announced a ban on exporting advanced chips and related manufacturing technologies to the People’s Republic of China (PRC). This was done out of concern particularly pertaining to the development of AI, hypersonic missiles, and advanced surveillance systems, and to capitalize on the PRC’s current disadvantage in manufacturing their own advanced chips (typically defined as anything with a lithography smaller than 10nm) and semiconductor manufacturing equipment. Last week, NVIDIA quietly announced a new product - the A800, which is essentially the same as their current A100 but “nerfed” such that it will comply with these sanctions (which take effect early next year) and will be able to be legally exported to China. Quotes My thoughts I think that this is very important since this is the first product announced by a company that is designed specifically to comply with these sanctions. I know that these may be hard to come by outside of China, but if the lab could somehow get their hands on one, and get an a100 as well, then you could benchmark them side by side and directly test the effectiveness of these sanctions. It would be very cool to be able to see the exact performance impact on various AI/compute tasks that these sanctions are having. Sources HotHardware article about a800: https://hothardware.com/news/nvidias-a800-data-center-gpu-sidesteps-us-ban-on-chip-exports-to-china VideoCardz article about a800: https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-introduces-a800-data-center-gpu-for-china The Verge article about a800: https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/8/23447886/nvidia-a800-china-chip-ai-research-slowed-down-restrictions Tech Crunch article about a800: https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/07/nvidia-us-china-ban-alternative/ The Diplomat article about Chinese weakness re: advanced lithography: https://thediplomat.com/2022/08/lithography-the-achilles-heel-of-chinas-semiconductor-industry/ Vox article about advanced chip embargo: https://www.vox.com/world/2022/11/5/23440525/biden-administration-semiconductor-export-ban-china The Hill article about advanced chip embargo: https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/3704850-is-bidens-chip-ban-a-tipping-point-in-us-china-relations/ NYT article about advanced chip embargo: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/07/business/economy/biden-chip-technology.html Wayback link for NYT article: https://web.archive.org/web/20221112134025/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/07/business/economy/biden-chip-technology.html Original source for chip embargo from Bureau of Industry and Security, US Commerce Department: US Federal Register document detailing specific export restrictions: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2022-10-13/pdf/2022-21658.pdf
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Summary Quotes My thoughts GPU market currently has seen lot of action, the price drop, Nvidia 4000 series launching soon, other players trying to bring some competition is kind of a good thing. Though they claim big numbers, for AI work loads, hands on testing might have different results especially gaming or other tasks. Still, these chips are a way for China to move independently from the West to build their own things, growing self reliance. Not just hardware, they also have BIRENSUPA, a software development platform similar to that of CUDA family from Nvidia. So it is a fresh GPU and didn't get much attention at Hotchips34 so had to share it here. Sources https://wccftech.com/china-most-powerful-gpu-birentech-br100-77-billion-transistors-7nm-faster-ai-than-nvidia-a100/ https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/08/25/china-launches-the-inevitable-indigenous-gpu/ https://www.hpcwire.com/2022/08/22/chinese-startup-biren-detail-br100-gpu/ https://hc34.hotchips.org/ https://www.birentech.com/BR100.html
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I'm hunting around for particular PC components to build a new computer so I turned to eBay and, unfortunately, found the majority of them are being sold from China. I checked this article out on buying items from China on eBay and used it as a reference to watch a a couple of items whose sellers have mostly postivie feedback. But I thought I'd ask around here for some further help and advice. Thanks.
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Summary US trade sanctions against selling AI chips to Chinese customers are set to go into full effect in March of 2023. This has left manufacturers of these chips, such as Nvidia, scrambling to sell as many of these high-margin products as they can in China before that deadline. To help accommodate them, TSMC has started offering batches of "super hot" runs, where they claim turnover time has been cut from an average of six months to around three. Quotes My thoughts I wonder if this would require TSMC to delay other orders, like AMD's next-gen products Sources https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-tsmc-rush-orders-before-china-sanctions
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I just factory reset my windows 11 and only installed Brave browser and GlassWire. After 3 minutes of running it detected a connection from the OS to a Chinese IP adress. It seems pretty sus in my opinion... Is it normal?
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Summary The US government is implementing an export ban to halt the sale of top-of-the-line AI chips to Chinese firms. This stems from the growing tensions over Taiwan. In addition to NVidea, AMD has received a similar demand for it’s top AI chips. Only 3 chips overall were cited in the article (A100, upcoming H100, and AMD’s M1250). Quotes My thoughts This is a big escalation by the US in a situation that many were hoping would settle down and go away. The deterioration of relations between the United States and China is very likely past the point of no return at this point, and we are now well into the beginning of the Second Cold War. As with the First Cold War, technology will be a major, if not even more important, part of the arms race as it progresses. Technology is firmly entrenched in the social fabric of both the Eastern and Western worlds, and that which has the superior tech will see advantages in every facet of the conflict. Frankly, I’m surprised it took until now for such tech export bans to occur. China’s aspirations have been obvious for decades, and the current decline in relations began well before the current rise in tensions over Taiwan. However, I’m concerned about the efficacy of such a ban. China has been engaging in tech espionage for decades (ie. Huawei’s use of Nortel tech). Given this level of espionage as well as their developing indigenous tech sector, they might not need western chip designs anymore. This leads to the matter of production. It is already suspected that a significant part of China’s desires on Taiwan stem from the incredible tech manufacturing industry that company has developed. With this in mind, could such a ban by the USA simply expedite China’s plans for an invasion of Taiwan? And if so, is the ban helping the situation in any way, or making it even worse? Sources Reuters
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Budget (including currency): 2300-2900 $CAD / 12000-15000 CNY¥(better if less than this) Country: Canada and China Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: Gaming Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): Currently using an Alienware Area 51m with 9900k and 2080. Planning to buy a whole new set up when the 40 series release. I am expecting to play at 2k 144hz/240hz. I have to thank everyone who click in and read this, because my situation is very complicated which I am going to explain in the following. If anyone got any idea and reply here I will appreciate that a lot. First, I have to build in an itx case no more than 15 liter because I need to take it with me when I take flights between 2 countries (China and Canada). Currently, I am limiting my case option on only Dan A4 H-20. Second, I do have 2 monitors in both countries, so we are not including that in the budget. Third, I am a student studying in Canada currently so I have no flexibility on my schedule, I will leave China on August 31st. For the rest of the time I will be staying in Kelowna, which is a small town beside Vancouver for at least 8 months. And my expectation on my new set up is: CPU should be about 20-30% better than 9900k (probably a i5 12600k/i7 12700k/5600x/5800x), GPU should be at least 30% better than 2080 (probably a 4070/4080). I am NOT accepting any 30 series card cuz I am afraid they are used in mining. As the above condition is fixed, I am going to first point out my main concerns. First, base on my experience of living in Canada for 4 years, pc components are hard to find(I don't know why does it seem to be so ez for most of the tech channel I watch, they all live in Canada). And there are almost no offline shop that has sufficient amount of up to date components (like micro center in the US). Also, the price of pc components are generally higher compare to China and US. So, I am considering buying some of the parts that are possible to buy in China. However, it is hard to predict when 13th gen intel, 40 series gpu are not released yet. Like these components do influence my options on power supplies, memory clock speed, Cpu cooler(most likely an AIO). Also as I don't know how many slots or how big 40 series will be, case compatibility is also an issue. And all these components are cheaper to buy and easier to find in China. So, I either will need some advice on how to find components I need in Canada, US is not in consideration due expensive shipping fee and taxes (I have paid $400 CAD tax for my current computer shipped from US in 2019). Either I will need some advice on what I can buy first in China because I am not confident with the leak currently (like I am afraid that a 850w sfx power supply is not enough for 40 series and it doubles my cost if it doesn't fit). Here will be a list of my expectation of parts that I need: CPU: i5 12600k/i7 12700k/5600x/5800x/new cpu from intel or AMD GPU: 4070/4080 CPU cooler: Lian Li Galahad 240mm aio (or anything that has similar price($144 CAD included tax in China) and performance) Case: DAN A4 H-20(Lian Li) Motherboard: Anything that is an ITX board, but not low ends like ASUS TUF gaming (Expecting ASUS Strix level). Power Supply: Unknown sfx 850 w (probably need more) RAM: 2x16g 3600mhz Gskill trident z rgb/royal / corsair vengeance Memories: all from my past pc (western digital sn520 256g nvme for system, Crucial nvme ct1000p1 1t, Samsung 860evo sata 2t) Thanks for your time and help everyone.
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Summary Moore Threads, a Chinese chip startup founded in 2020, has unveiled two GPUs which are touted as the first ever to be "based on fully domestic intellectual property and manufacturing expertise". The S60, which is the consumer-oriented SKU of their "MUSA" architecture, reportedly has 8GB of memory and around 6 TFLOPS of raw performance, and was demonstrated capable of running League of Legends at 1080p. The S200 is their server/datacenter SKU with double the cores and four times the vram. No word on availability yet. Quotes My thoughts Not sure how much I believe that "fully domestic ip" bit, but either way you can bet that Linus will manage to get one somehow. Sources https://www.tomshardware.com/news/first-wholly-domestic-chinese-GPU-graphics-card
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Summary January 23 has now come and that means Blizzard games including: World of Warcraft, Hearthstone, Diablo 3, and Overwatch (2) have been shut down in China. The shutdown shouldn't come as a surprise, as it was first announced in November 2022 when Blizzard and Chinese publisher NetEase were unable to reach a renewal agreement. The company’s services in China were suspended at midnight local time on Tuesday, marking the end of an era. Quotes My thoughts This is a really unfavorable scenario, as I know WoW and other Blizzard games are really popular with people all over the world. I also know that the Chinese gaming demographic is one of the largest, reaching 664 million in 2022. Millions of Chinese gamers are affected by this and who knows how long it will be before they gain access to their Blizzard games again. It's good to know that Blizzard is trying to figure out a solution and is already communicating with a prior Chinese publisher. Additionally, it's also good to hear that players are able to back up their history and saved progress while awaiting for another publisher. In the mean time, it will suck for Chinese gamers to have to be overly-patient while an agreement is reached between Blizzard and another publisher. Sadly, they will have to find another game to play in the mean time. Sources https://www.pcgamer.com/blizzard-games-go-dark-in-china-with-no-return-in-sight-this-is-so-tragic-says-former-hearthstone-director/ https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/tech/blizzard-games-china-shutdown-intl-hnk
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Summary At the Gongbei Port in Zhuhai, a Chinese woman has been caught by Chinese customs attempting to smuggle 202 Intel Alder Lake processors and 9 iPhones. The smuggler, who has only been named as Zhao by MyDrivers, was attempting to smuggle electronics into China from Macau under a fake baby bump, hoping to appear to authorities as a pregnant woman. gmSMurI.mp4 Quotes My thoughts This is a very interesting story, as I'm wondering how the lady thought she would get past the metal detector. Regardless, this is not the first time people have tried to smuggle tech items into China. $3 Million USD worth of AMD GPUs and 160 hidden Alder Lake CPUs were seized by Chinese customs in March. Also, $80 million USD worth of iPhones were attempted to be smuggled in by drones in China in March too. Quite the compelling operations these individuals have going on in China. The "CPU Momma" as they are calling her, will probably face jail time and heavy fines. This will likely not discourage future perpetrators from trying the same thing though. Although, this does give a whole new meaning to "Intel Inside". Sources https://overclock3d.net/news/misc_hardware/chinese_woman_attempts_to_smuggle_cpus_into_china_under_fake_baby_bump/1 https://www.tweaktown.com/news/89737/chinese-woman-fakes-pregnancy-tries-smuggling-200-intel-alder-lake-cpus/index.html https://www.pcgamer.com/pregnant-smuggler-caught-after-200-cpus-are-found-in-her-prosthetic-belly/ https://www.pcworld.com/article/1427190/smuggler-hides-200-intel-cpus-in-a-fake-baby-bump.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/smuggler-hid-over-200-alder-lake-cpus-in-fake-silicone-belly https://www.techspot.com/news/96851-woman-tries-enter-china-202-intel-cpus-hidden.html https://hothardware.com/news/woman-caught-smuggling-cpus-in-pregnancy-prosthesis
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Quotes What is import duty into EU since forever - 7%? And then 20-24% sales tax on top of that. Don't think Americans will get any sympathy from European GPU buyers. Source: https://www.guru3d.com/news_story/in_the_new_yearthe_united_states_may_reimpose_gpu_import_tariffs.html
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Summary Citing rising Sino-American geopolitical tensions as a primary motivator, purported leaked Internal documents from Dell claim that the OEM is considering plans to reduce and eventually eliminate the number of components made by Chinese companies that end up in products sold in the US. The general timeline is to begin the process in 2025 and completion with 100% non-Chinese components by 2027. Quotes My thoughts I have doubts that it would be possible to make that transition at all, let alone within two years, given how critical China is to the manufacturing of basically everything electronic. That is, of course, assuming these rumors are even true. Sources https://ctee.com.tw/news/tech/824402.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-made-in-china-us-exit