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  1. This clarify the things a lot. Now only have to wait to see the sweet spot in terms of coolers.
  2. Yeah, I'm starting to think about probably CM MA620P cooler would be better, with an option if i want to upgrade at later point without changing the cooler.
  3. Thanks, Its strange that majority of the builds i saw on pcpartpickers report around 70-80 C under load regardless of the coolers used, few exceptions are in the 65's
  4. Well you say most of the things i said but in different words, altho there are points i don't agree Ofc benchmarks are the best, but at this point there isn't much. Its strange how many tech channels are out there and there isn't much MB and Coolers reviews, probably will come in months later. Anyway, why do you need my location and shopping? its kinda personal info i don't feel comfortable sharing publicly, if its for coolers recommendations, name your choices, what you will put and why i will figure it out how or where to find them, if i like it Thank you.
  5. Earlier in my post i said Dark Rock 4, the later replay "pro" is mistake, so ye i mean DR4. I don't think that MSI performance is inconsistent, its just a measure of what TDP you are testing on, it will be good at 65-80-90W TDP and mediocre to bad at anything above, its exactly the same as the Evo 212 on the techpowerup review you linked, they both jump around 20C under OC load. While it is true that TDP is measured differently between manufacturers, it is still very well comparable in terms of choosing cooling, otherwise no one will use this measurement. Remember that TDP on the cooler means the maximum TDP cooler can "handle", not the TDP they are most "efficient" at. As a rule of thumb, you need to double the chip TDP for the cooler to be efficient and reasonably quite and add 35% more for mild OC. AMD guy on the video said that he recommend 140W TDP cooler for a 95W Chip as "Middle ground", and yet they ship 65W TDP Cooler for 65W TDP CPU (R 3600) which is bare minimum, and i said they don't meet their recommendations not their requirements. As memory I'm planing to use Corsair Vengeance LPX - CMK16GX4M2B3200C16 Thanks
  6. The data i have linked is from benchmarks, specifically for H115i - https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h115i_platinum_review,10.html You can see that MSI Frozr L is at 63c with 4/5c difference from h115 (59/58c) on OC up to 130w chip and better then dark rock pro 4 and it is 34db under load. Noise level on the stock AMD coolers is mentioned on the AMD website in the foot note: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/cpu-cooler-solution "Subject to use according to product specifications. The AMD Wraith cooler has a maximum noise level of 39dbA. The AMD D3 cooler, which the Wraith Cooler has replaced on certain CPUs, has a maximum noise level of 51 dbA. " It is unclear how AMD measure noise level, as there is no standard at what distance should be measured, but i have personally heard them, its loud, much louder then what I'm comfortable with, and its normal for such a small fan at this rpm. I don't have hard budget, i chose what i like and think its good fit for my build, but it doesn't make much sense to me to get 150$+ coolers for 200$ CPU Furthermore, I'm using 212 EVO on my rig and i like it very much, it does cool my i5 3570k OC @4.3ghz CPU up to 80W and it is quite under heavy load with around 50%-60% fan speed with max 71C on benchmark and around 60-65C in games, i had H100i which i returned as pump noise is too much for me and the cooling was the same vs the evo I like this coolers as they offer good cooling at good noise level and price, additionally i can always throw one Noctua fan for push/pull on those coolers. Additionally, Cooler Master themselves recommend EVO 212 variants or ML240L for 3600, 3600x, 3700x and MA610P for 3800x and MA620P for 3900x. See https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/all-coolers-ready-for-thrid-generation-amd-ryzen3000-cpus/ And AMD cooler TDP recommendations are here: Wraith Stealth (Ryzen 3600 stock cooler) is rated at 65W TDP - http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/wraith-max-and-wraith-spire-cooler/1 Wraith Spire (Ryzen 3600x stock cooler) is rated at 95W TDP - http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/wraith-max-and-wraith-spire-cooler/1 Wraith Prism (Ryzen 3700x, 3800x, 3900x stock cooler) is rated at 140W TDP - http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/amd/wraith-max-and-wraith-spire-cooler/1 Hyper EVO 212 is rated at 150W TDP 9-36 dBA, 9-31 dBA(EU Version) - https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/tdp-and-socket-compatibility/ Hyper 212 LED Turbo (Push/Pull) is rated at 150W TDP 9-31 dBA - https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/tdp-and-socket-compatibility/ MSI Core Frozer l is rated at 200W TDP 17.2 ~ 33.6 dBA - https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/CORE-FROZR-L.html CM ML240L RGB is rated at 210W TDP - https://landing.coolermaster.com/pages/tdp-and-socket-compatibility/ Freezer 34 eSports DUO is rated at 210W TDP - https://www.arctic.ac/eu_en/freezer-34-esports-duo.html DARK ROCK PRO 4 is rated at 250W TDP and only 24.3 DB at max fan speed - https://www.bequiet.com/en/cpucooler/1378 Noctua and Corsair don't list their TDP As you can see AMD coolers don't meet their own TDP recommendations from the video Unfortunately there is no single benchmark including the three options i wonder in between, and while their performance should be close, exact numbers is better, and its best the hear from people that use them. It would be good if someone make benchmark on mid range air coolers for the new Ryzen CPU's, otherwise we will have to trust manufacturers words about the rated TDP The case I'm planing to use is: https://www.thermaltake.com/commander-c35-tg-argb-edition.html I always use HAF cases with additional noctua fans to make the system quite as much as possible. Memory 3200cl16 or 3600mhz
  7. The AIO on the image is around 55-60% fans balanced mode, it is H115i. H115i can handle much more then 65w chip and the MSI Frozr l (which i mention as possible option for me in the first post) with only one fan (push) is around 4C difference from the H115i on 130w chip stock and 5C along side with Dark Rock 4 and ML240R on OC. So i don't think it is unreasonable at all, unless this ryzen 3000 chips are extremely hot. The Wraith prism stock cooler on 3700x and 3900x is not that bad altho it is abit on the loud side with 39db by spec i still won't use it on 8 and 12 cores. However on the 3600 CPU it is not the Wraith prism cooler, it is Wraith Stealth which is terrible. Wraith Stealth gives 12+C vs Wraith Prism. There are three different stock coolers in ryzen 3000 in total. And here you can see the whopping 21C difference on OC with CM EVO 212 vs Wraith Spire 3600x (which is better then the Wraith Stealth 3600). As i said, my main goal is to have quite and cool chip, so stock cooler is not an option for me, and i don't know why are you keep suggesting them as it is known how bad they are compared to other coolers. I would like advice which do you think its best for the job from the 4 options i mention in my first post. Thx
  8. Ye i know but the price from the MSI one is only 15 bucks so i included it.
  9. This is the 3600 stock cooler 80C without OC at 45 Db noise is not something i call "great" I'm looking something that will keep it in 65C at 35db and 50-70% fan speed at 4.2ghz
  10. I don't want 90C temps at max fan speed, cmon, and 3600 stock cooler is not the RGB one that, its like intel crappy ones.
  11. Pleasee help, i need advice which air cooler to choose for Ryzen 3600/3700x, no manual OC, only Precision boost and preferably quite. I personally like the MSI Core Frozr L the most as looks and the CM one. I wonder between: Arctic Freezer Esports 34 Duo Evo 212 Black RGB MSI Core Frozr L Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L
  12. Boby

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  13. As i said, i use also as Plex Server, so it 3700x looks a bit more appealing for the extra cores if the Plex starts transcoding while I'm gaming for example. As for the 2070 super vs 5700 xt, you are probably right in terms of performance, but drivers and software features is where i really dislike AMD GPU's and judging by the GN navi review they are not better in this regard. Additionally, in the type of work i do, nVidia has a couple of small advantages like color reproduction and color compression, so going to AMD GPU is really not an option for me personally even if it out performs nvidia for cheaper price
  14. Thx, My old rig i will re-purpose for other job so i need the PSU, and it is 550w anyway, the only thing that i will take is the storage. For the coolers, your suggestions are better for sure but at much higher price and i want the cooler not for OC but for being quiet mainly, as this will lower all fan speeds. Stock cooler is not good enough for that. As for the combo, maybe b450, 3700x and 2070 super is the best match as they are all exactly mid range, i will think about it more. Totally agree on the ram. Thanks
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