Trik'Stari

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At a certain point, I have to ask myself whether or not the LTT forums as an organization are a state actor at the behest of China, based on their history of refusing to allow topics that are critical of China's numerous and varied human rights violations.

There are many things we refuse to allow on this forum. There is a detailed description of what we don't allow listed in the Community Standards. Do you think we're paid off by all of them? Is there an anti-spam organization that pays us to remove spam? Because there's no other possible reason to remove spam unless we're getting paid, right?

We also don't allow name-and-shame threads calling out individual users on the forum. So if there was a thread that was critical of Trik'Stari, or any other forum user, we would also remove that. Based on the fact that we suppress such things, would you arrive at the same conclusion that we are being paid off by every individual forum member, including you? If so, this logic clearly does not produce reliable conclusions.

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A refusal to allow criticism can be mistaken for, or rightly assumed as, tacit support of such actions.

You're free to mistake it as whatever you want. We remove all political discussion, regardless of whether it's anti-China or pro-China or anti or pro any other nation. I suppose that must mean we're being paid off by every nation in the world, because there's simply no other possibility, right?

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Seriously staff, stop hiding behind the "no politics" rule, it only serves to make the forums look complicit, not objective. Not when the evidence of genocide is so readily available.

So... what you're saying is, we should make a special exception to our "no politics" rule, and say "no politics, unless you're saying bad things about China, then it's ok", and that's the objective and unbiased thing to do?

I don't believe you understand what objectivity is. We remove all political content regardless of political stance. This means we remove things even when we agree with them. That is the expected result of an unbiased system.

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I assume this comment will get me perma-banned, but I no longer care. If the forum is going to passively cover up the kind of behavior that China is currently engaged in with the false pretense of objectivity or irrelevance (despite technology being inherently involved), it is no longer deserving of my time or effort, nor anyone else's.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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but at this point I feel it safe to say that the forums are as heavily compromised as Reddit is, based on how quickly they clamp down on ANY thread that is even remotely critical of the Chinese government.

That is because your political affiliations blind you from being able to see objectively. If you weren't blinded as such, you would be able to see that we remove all political discussion that is critical of any government. However, you only see it when we remove the ones that you are sensitive to, and ignore the other removals. You are ignoring observation that does not fit your narrative. This leads you to incorrect conclusions.

This is a forum for tech enthusiasts. It has nothing to do with politics, just like political forums have nothing to do with tech. If political forums were being constantly peppered with threads about Intel vs AMD CPU performance, and GPU prices and those darn scalpers, they'd probably start removing them too. Not because they're secretly being paid by Intel or AMD to remove criticism, or that "it shows that they tacitly support scalping". But it sounds like you would think that would be the only possible explanation for such actions.

We do not allow political discussion. Which government the discussion is for or against is irrelevant. If you do not like that rule, and you want to talk about politics, then you can leave and go somewhere else intended for talking about politics. Just like if you like cars, you go find a place where people like to talk about cars, and if you like pets then you go find a place where people like to talk about pets. Go find a place that is interested in the things you want to talk about.

Don't go to a place that is intended for a completely different topic and extremely clearly marked as such and also has rules against talking about the things you like talking about, then start trying to have discussions about those things, and complain when you're turned away.

One of the core reasons for our no politics rule is that, in our experience, many people in the world are incapable of thinking rationally when politics become involved. This status update precisely demonstrates this and is in fact reinforcing our view that politics is not compatible with this forum.

People don't come to tech forums to read political anti-X government stuff. They come here to talk about computer technology. If you can't comprehend this, and exercise some adult decorum in restraining discussion of certain topics to the appropriate place (like everyone else does in their daily lives), then this simply may not be the right place for you.

Stand alone complex, enough useful idiots individually being idiots is indistinguishable from a conspiracy.

hmm, it has been added to the list. Well promoted. Have you read "The Name of the Wind" yet?

I think it was the skinhead and another that might be a bit more offensive.

So they're worried that they might offend skinheads?

This is the problem with the "we can't offend anyone" brigade. Sooner or later you are going to offend someone, just saying "I like X type of sandwich" is enough to get you hate on todays internet.

Company's need to grow a pair and stop worrying about the Twitter outrage mob.

I don't think it's just the Twitter mob. There are some guys out there that are going to take things too far and, with the climate of today, it's only going to get worse. 

i might too

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