plzfix

Quick update - did a fresh install of Windows 10.

System is back down to idle at 40 - 43 and underload will bump up. I've seen this issue before and it's typically associated with a Windows Power Management setting. 

Using Ryzen Master "Game Mode" - PBO - will generate a Cinebench R20 score of 5600 now. Going to continue reinstalling software and see if I can isolate the issue.
 

Hey folks, I recently upgraded from an AMD 3800x and am having some issues with my system. 

Most notably I've noticed a reduction in frame rate in COD: Warzone (typically stable between 90 - 125fps w/ no GPU OC) and that when I bench the CPU I score significantly below what is expected of a 5800x (5000 Cinebench r20 vs 6000+). I was initially concerned that cooling was an issue, but I've read these chips run hot and even under full load it won't exceed 90c and my h100i liquid temp doesn't exceed 45c (which is normal given my configuration after a long gaming session / stress test). 

My system specs are as follows: AMD 5800x | ASUS ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wifi | 970 EVO Plus 1TB | Trident Z Royal 32GB DDR3600  | ASUS ROG STRIX 5700xt | Corsair H100i Pro | Corsair RM850x | 

I flashed the bios to version 3601 which uses AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.3 Patch A, but didn't see any improvement. I also did a fresh install of the AMD video drivers to no avail (I am going to try updating the AMD Chipset Drivers next). 

Here are some base level specs of how the system is configured:

• 1:1 ratio between memory clock and infinity fabric (1800mhz)
• Ram running at XMP for 3600mhz (16-19-19-39 at T1)
• PBO is enabled in the BIOS, I believe with the +200mhz target 
• Using liquid metal on the waterblock so temps are raging between 70 idle - 90c under heavy load.

Now, I know the 5000 series loves 4 dimm kits, and I was planning to upgrade to some samsung b-die chips and do some overclocking. But I wasn't expecting to lose performance or be about 1000pts of the Cinebench score for this rig, which is pretty close in spec to the memory used in the Guru 3D test setup (link here). The best Cinebench score I've hit is 5400 and even my 3DMark benchmarks (scored 9286 over all with a CPU score of 9852 vs 8 992 with my 3800x) haven't improved since I popped in the new chip. I guess it's important to note that the 5800x is hitting a sustained 4.82ghz during the Time Spy bench. 

Sort of at a loss here, 1000 seems like a pretty big gap in performance. 
Any ideas would be appreciated! 

bump.

So, I was able to pick up a 3800x on sale and swap it with my 1800x.

Aside from some issues with the motherboard BIOS everything seems to be in working order and I'm noticing a 10 -20% increase in game performance (mostly COD:WZ, everything else I play is limited to 144fps).

I was thinking that the only part I'd be willing to upgrade at this point is my ram and was interested if anyone had some DDR4 3600mhz recommendations. I've been leaning towards the G. Skill Trident Royal but I'm worried about the clearance between the ram and my rad which is mounted to the top of my case. 

My board is based on the x370 which doesn't "officially" support 3600mhz but knowing my CPU does I'd be curious to see if anyone sees the value in getting a good CL16 kit. 

38 minutes ago, plzfix said:

I'm currently getting a score of 4734 MC and 496 Single core. 

Performance increase came from using the ASUS Dual Intelligent Processor app from the AI suite - moved all the phase controls (CPU & DRAM) to ultra fast and increased capacity on the power draw settings. 

My room is currently a bit below ambient but stemps on CCD1 and the Tctl go from high 40s - 50.0 idle to 79/80. I don't have my fans ramp up - they stay fixed at 1100rpm.

I'd love to get it up higher, but I think it's my ram holding me back.

Also pulling about 9400 in 3D Mark Timespy, if relevant. 

I'm mostly playing WZ and I went from about 90 - 100 FPS to 100 - 130, which is nice bump while playing 1440p @144hz. I haven't put the CPU through it's paces in Adobe CC yet but I'm expecting a 20+ % boost over all.

2 hours ago, Sam F said:

I got a score of 5112

I'm currently getting a score of 4734 MC and 496 Single core. 

Performance increase came from using the ASUS Dual Intelligent Processor app from the AI suite - moved all the phase controls (CPU & DRAM) to ultra fast and increased capacity on the power draw settings. 

My room is currently a bit below ambient but stemps on CCD1 and the Tctl go from high 40s - 50.0 idle to 79/80. I don't have my fans ramp up - they stay fixed at 1100rpm.

I'd love to get it up higher, but I think it's my ram holding me back.

I believe with PBO I'm hitting around 4.2ghz - 4.4ghz - but one core on the CCX1 is going a bit higher.

What are your scores looking like, mine are slightly below what I'd consider avg for the CPU but I'm also running on an older x370 motherboard and with DDR3200 @ XMP profile not overclocked beyond that (I believe my board has a theoretical max of 3400mhz because of it's layout - although the BIOS does have the option to try to push it beyond to 3600mhz). 

Sorry to hear that - yeah, not entirely sure what else it could be. 

1 hour ago, winkawak said:

Asrock x99x killer

i7 5820k with Corsair H60

GTX 970

EVGA G3 1000watt

 

I have tried clear cmos but the same

 

What version of the BIOS are you running?

Have you experienced any system instability prior to this during gaming or when you are drawing a lot of power from the PSU?

1 hour ago, Krude_Tepes said:

I just did DDU uninstall but befor i was just repairing the drivers via the driver installer and a few times i did factory reset and still had the prob and just did a ddu uninstall and reinstall and i still ahve the prob after rebooting the PC for a test

OK - without getting into a wholesale fresh install of Windows have you tried clearing your CMOS and setting your BIOS to default? 

What are you system / software specs - I happened to be at Canada Computers the other day doing an RMA and one of the guys was telling me about some driver issues and a particular version of Windows 10.

Now for the life of me I can't remember the version but it was the 19xx vs 20xx - specifically for AMD cards. 

3 hours ago, Krude_Tepes said:

As stated in the tital i have installed a Rx 5700 XT but all of its drivers never let the fans go past 30 percent after a system restart or shutdown. i have to reinstall the drivers every time and no mater the version it maters not the same things happen  even MSI afterburner doesnt help. I will move the fan curve and it just puts them right back to 30% fan speed no mater the load. some help would be liked pls

Weird bug.

Are you uninstalling with DDU or using the factory erase mode with the Radeon drivers?

I know there is a BIOS update for some of the XT's (I just updated my ROG 5700xt) - might be worth looking into.

That Optimum Tech video is great - my opinion on it is "what is the best you can afford?"

As it's been mentioned by others in the thread the Ryzen 3 is a great value buy, it performs well when paired with a decent video card. Moving into AAA titles the Ryzen 5 has an edge and will pull away with new gen games.

I know availability of the Ryzen 3 has been a bit challenged lately, but if you use the 3 as a step up and put the money you save into a better video card I could see why it's an attractive buy. 

10 hours ago, Vunnie said:

Currently have a gtx 1060 and my fps are little too low. I would like to have constantly 144 fps but now it's sometimes under it in games like csgo overwatch and valorant. I can wait for a few months. My budget is about 200 dollar

Yeah so there are a few things at play here:

1. For your budget the Ryzen 5 3600 is still out of reach, waiting until Zen3 will push the prices down. But since you'd need to swap your motherboard to move to AMD it's going to be worth it to save a bit more to put a larger budget behind it. 
2. I wouldn't expect Zen3 cpu's/motherboards to be cheap - but there will be good value for x570 + a 3600 either brand new or used 
3. If you could also consider a newer GPU that would go a long way 

38 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Why does this matter ? If anything OP will have up more. 

 

I said.  

If you can wait. Then wait. 

You can make a significantly better decision if you can weight out the OPs needs rather than just suggesting that OP waits.

Should OP wait for Zen3 and upgrade to the 4000 series or should OP wait and buy a Zen2 that comes down significantly in price? I've got no idea if OP is planning on just buying a CPU and motherboard or if they will need/want a new GPU, PSU, RAM, etc...maybe OP will still be on a budget and pairing a higher end Zen2 + a x570 will be better value for them...

So yeah, it kind of matters depending on what OP wants to do with their current setup. 

15 minutes ago, TofuHaroto said:

Wait for zen 3 unless you absolutely need an upgrade now. 

I think this depends - what is your current build, what do you currently run, and what kind of budget are you working with. 

59 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

Because Radeon's launch drivers generally tend to be horrendous, both in general stability and getting the most out of said GPU.

As a 5700XT owner  I can confirm that the biggest draw back for me thus far has been stability not performance.

I often lock my FPS anyways since I'm on a 60hz screen. 

12 minutes ago, Master Disaster said:

I have the exact same card, its operating perfectly. Reference 5700XT has a maximum junction temp of 105c, obviously a custom design with a better cooler should be lower. My card runs at almost exactly the same temps are yours does when gaming.

 

FYI if you open up the AMD Control Centre, click Performance then Metrics it will give you exact temps. The Temperature readings shows the package temperature (think of this as the average temp of the whole GPU) and the Junction Temp shows the hottest part of the GPU.

 

As I said, anything up to 105c on Junction is considered as operating within spec.

So, I've got the ROG 5700XT Strix, and one of the steps I took to tackle the black screen of death issue (which I assumed was made worse by high heat) was to:

1. Adjust the fan curve, it still isn't very loud but now I am keeping the fan running at all times. Temps usually between 60 - 70 stable with 100fps running Warzone at 1080p max settings
2. I moved my CPU cooler to the top of my case and placed two 140mm fans to draw cooler air in - these fans push cool air above and below the card. My assumption is that the heat sync on the back of the card is slightly more effective, but now the triple fans have cool air to pass onto the heat sync. 

The issue is significantly less annoying since it pops up way less, but my temps are way lower.

ex: Right now it's running 37 Celsius on both the GPU & Junction -  and underload it will get up to 70 (which is totally fine)

My CPU is also running with a slight OC so the air coming off the rad might be slighly higher filling the case (3.894ghz vs stock for the 1800x).

5 hours ago, gloop said:

I’m pretty sure they don’t keep the absolute best, considering you have stuff like the HOF series from Galax, but I’d guess they keep the top 20% for themselves. 

Respectfully, I disagree.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-binning-turing-die-geforce-rtx-2080-rtx-2070,39250.html

This seems like a topic that has been covered a lot by a bunch of different folks: 

Benchmarks in this video showing the 2080 TI FE also out performing the EVGA 2080 Super FTW3...

47 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

He now has R5 3600...

Right, which according to the support site says supports the 3600.

https://www.gigabyte.com/ca/Motherboard/B450-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10/support#support-cpu

There could be a stability issue or issue with the F51e BIOS.

44 minutes ago, Duranson said:

Founders edition is open-air

Yeah but can we all agree it's a beautiful card?

I feel like I saw on YouTube someone talked about Nvidia keeping the best dies for their founders editions, so from a performance perspective you might not get what you're looking for in a 3rd party card. However, I feel like those issues have been resolved since launch - Google search results for recent issues doesn't lead me to believe it will be a factor. 

4 minutes ago, Earnist_ said:

F51e

OK - my recommendation is to flash back to F40 - it's the first version of the BIOS that supports your chip. 

Now forget the overclock - set everything to stock and see if that works. 

6 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Oh! I just seen he has several threads. GLNVMIMO

yeah....anyways looking into the board 
Questions, which BIOS are you running F40 or F51?

1 hour ago, TehDwonz said:

Mine has always done that until after POST finishes. It's only a problem if it stays at 100% once you get into BIOS or the OS.

Yeah I'm on a x370 board and everytime I turn on all fans spin to 100%...Earnist_ what motherboard is it? 

4 hours ago, Bobbysixjp said:

The 9700K slightly outperforms the 8700K, but in 2020 I would buy neither. You should consider a CPU with at least 8 cores and hyper threading, 9900K, 10700K or Ryzen 3700. 

I could get behind this, but I was looking at some benchmarks.
I'm in a similar situation - actually considering the Ryzen 5 3600, 7 3700X or Ryzen 9 3900x.

Ok, huge range in price right? Absolutely. Right now paired with my 5700xt I'm not expecting a huge leap in performing across the three for current gen - but reading into what's going into Halo Infinite makes me lean towards saving up for the Ryzen 9.

I built my tower towards the end of 2018 and got my 1800x on sale for a great price, luckily my board will support this current gen but not next. So, I'm sitting here thinking should I pour the money into something that should be good for 2+ more years or buy the Ryzen 5 and do a compete system rebuild when AMD releases it's next socket.

Who knows - but I'm in no rush and I'm going to wait till prices come down/wait to see the new Zen 3's to make my decision. 

OK I feel like I've been able to fix both the random shutdown on Ryzen + the BSoD. 

1. Haven't had a BSoD in a while - tuning the fan curve and keeping the GPU under 60 - 70c with load seems to be working.
2. Did some sleuthing on reddit - looks like the NIC IS THE ISSUE on shut downs...have tested a few with and without OC...Which would make sense since I ended up using the latest bios after my fresh install...not holding my breath with the BSoD 

A few other users have made suggestions about tweaking your windows power settings, disabling hardware acceleration for Discord & Chrome and I found it useful with the last round of AMD drivers to disable Instant Replay, Instant GIF, & In-game Replay. One error notice would pop up on restarts that Wattman had crashed but not entirely sure if that was a driver or heat issue....

stay tuned...