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So I made a post about the 5900X when I had it and I had some of the best performance out there. Now I have a 5600X (traded up to grab a 6900 XT to play with) and maybe this information might be useful to someone..
 
Using PBO in combination with the Curve Optimizer results in the best performance you can possibly get out of the new Ryzen 5000 series CPUs. This has been my experience with the 5900X I had and now the new 5600X I'm using. Check my previous post if you want to see my post about the 5900X (most of this stuff applies to all 5000 series).
 
This has made all core overclocking practically useless for Ryzen, unless you need to conserve power in something like an SFF/ITX case. I get higher all core performance (4.85GHz) than I could possible get by setting it manually (most I could get was like 4.6 or 4.7GHz).
 
I'm running a B550 Gaming Carbon with a Ryzen 5600X (240mm AIO), 3600c16 Crucial Ballistix RGB, and a Reference 6900 XT. My RAM is currently running 4000MHz 16-17-16-16-36 1T 1:1 with Infinity Fabric (must set manually), am getting some WHEA ERRORS.
 
With PBO + Curve Optimizer I'm able to run my 5600X around 4.85GHz, all core, while gaming. Now it's not quite like the 5150MHz I was getting on my 5900X, but it's great nonetheless. 
 
r20: 4717 multi, 622 single
R23: 12,144 multi (no single yet)
Geekbench 5: 9675 multi and 1679 single
 
My 5600X runs over 4.7GHz the entire time during those runs, which is pretty damn good (close to a good 3700X while beating some slower ones).
 
Temps only reached 74C max during each run. In Prime95, I get around 84C for 5-10 minutes.
 
SETTINGS:
 
I have PBO settings maxed out in the BIOS:

PBO: Advanced
PBO Limits: Motherboard
PBO Scalar: 10X
PBO Boost Clock Override: 200MHz
Platform Thermal Throttle Limit: 255
 
CURVE OPTIMIZER: Negative 20 all core.
 
LLC: Level 1 (not sure if necessary)
 
My 5900X liked per core on the Curve Optimizer and benefitted from different values (check previous post). Your results may vary and should be tested to find the best settings/results.
 
I'm not touching any other voltages or anything like that. CPU voltage is auto still.
 
That's it!

The best option is the one that suits you. If you don't know what works for you, then it's up to you to figure that out too.

What's up??
 
Copying this over from my post on reddit. Figured it might be of interest to someone, maybe not.. Whatever 🙂 
 
I have a 5900X and I'm currently playing with the "Curve Optimizer" and am getting the best results I've seen on my CPU!
 
I'm getting 646 single core and over 8900 muti in r20!
 
A little context..
 
I thought I was getting the best performance I could without a manual overclock by using custom PBO settings and setting the curve optimizer to negative 10 all core. 
 
I couldn't get lower than negative 10 to work for all core. I even tried doing per-core and at first I tried increasing on what I thought were my best cores (through HWInfo).. I tried -15 on a few different ones at different times and it just didn't work for me.
 
I was tired of trying things and gave up for a while..
 
With a manual 4.7GHz OC I was looking at 8900-9100 (mostly below 9000) in r20 but my single core score would suffer, dropping to ~617 from ~635. I even tried per CCX (or CCD?) overclocking and it just wasn't stable, 4.7GHz all-core seemed to be the best manual OC I could get.
 
Before, I was using the curve optimizer and only PBO and was seeing ~8500 multi and - 625 single which was easy to reproduce.
 
With custom PBO + negative 10 all-core curve optimizer I was just barely getting over 8700 multi and ~635 single (642 was max I've EVER seen and couldn't reproduce it). 
 
After adjusting the curve optimizer per core, along with PBO, I was able to get 8950 multi and 646 single in r20. Over 640 is now common.
 
That's nearly as good as a manual OC, I can literally get the same multi core score now AND get higher single core score! That's exactly what I've been working towards!
 
ALL-CORE OVERCLOCKING IS DEAD!
 
I was hitting 5GHz here and there but now I'm hitting over that just ever so slightly AND more often. I'm seeing 5150MHz on one core, 5075MHz on another and 5050MHz on the third one that reaches 5GHz. I've actually seen two of them hit 5150MHz but not sure if was at the same time (probably not).
 
I'm seeing 4850MHz and 4775MHz often on several cores (up to 6) while playing Apex when it use to be 4400-4675MHz. I'm also seeing 5GHz while playing when I've never seen that before while playing Apex. What this translates to actual FPS I have no fucking clue. 
 
What did I do? 
 
After seeing the thread about PBO2 with the video (didn't watch it) and seeing AMD_Roberts replies, it regained my interest, so I went back to the BIOS to try a couple things..
 
Instead of sticking to one number for curve optimizer for all core, or just trying to set what I thought were the best cores to lower numbers, I actually started from the bottom, raising each number except for the top 5 (because I tried higher numbers before and failed) and did a lot of testing. I could get the bottom number to 70 but that didn't help much more than 40.
 
Currently, this is what's getting the results above (curve optimizer per-core):
Negative 10
Negative 10
Negative 10
Negative 10
Negative 10
Negative 35
Negative 35
Negative 35
Negative 35
Negative 35
Negative 35
Negative 35
Seems simple right? Maybe some of you already figured this out, but for those who want to push your CPU a little more, do some testing. Try my numbers. BUT also try testing other numbers and combinations.. Each CPU may work differently.
 
I did eventually try higher numbers again in the top 5 but it resulted in crashes or lower r20 scores. I tried positive numbers here and there, I tried keeping a few cores the same numbers, I tried decreasing in increments from bottom to top. For instance, I tried (from the bottom) 70, 60, 50, 40, 35, 30, 25, 15, 10, 10, 10, 10.. I saw a decrease in performance but it still allowed me to run tests without crashing. This is all kind of weird and new to me.
 
My PBO settings are manually set to:
Precision Boost Overdrive: ADVANCED
PBO Limits: MOTHERBOARD
PBO Scalar: Manual, 5X
MAX CPU PBO: 200MHz
Platform Thermal Throttle Limit: 255 (max)
On MSI you can just set to 'Enhance Level 2' to get this.
 
SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE: before I was playing heavily with the curve optimizer, I found that OCing the RAM, whether increasing frequency or tightening the timings, DECREASED PERFORMANCE (on top of the WHEA errors obviously)!!!! That's why I'm running XMP ONLY at the moment. But after playing with the curve, I might try tweaking it again, but may have to wait for a BIOS update. Not sure.
 
Here's my specs (RAM is running XMP only!):
5900X
B550 Gaming Carbon
GTX 1080 TI
2x16GB Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600 Cl16 Dual Rank
RM850

I don't see a huge issue with this. If anything, with USB C becoming more and more prevalent, everyone should have cables they can use, as well as chargers. If you don't? Yes, you'll have to go out and buy one. Something you'll only have to do once, as you'll then have your charger, and you'll bet set. You have to start somewhere to reduce waste, and yes, there will be a couple years of growing pains, but after that we'll wonder why we didn't do it sooner.
 
I've always thought the included headphones were an even bigger joke. Aside from Apple, most people just throw them out, as the quality is abysmal.
 
Samsung has never released a phone with a notch.
 
25w is still considered fast charging, just not the fastest charging. You don't have to buy a new charger.
 
I don't see why they'd lower the price of their phones. If anything, if they keep them the same, they're technically making it cheaper as the cost of inflation would be significantly more than what the charger cost.
 
I don't think people are necessarily ok with it, they just put up with it. If you're in the Apple ecosystem, you don't have a choice. With Android devices, you can pick something else and vote with your wallet.
That's kind of an odd stance to take though, and one that I've always found grossly incorrect. Just because you finance the phone, doesn't mean you can't afford it, and in fact, is by far the smarter route to take. It leaves you with more fluid assets, which is always more beneficial, at no additional cost to the phone, and if anything, you'll get incentives bringing the price drastically lower. My S20 FE for example: it was on promotion for $230 off, and on top of that I got a $300 BestBuy gift card.
It goes both ways. Apple implements things and tries to pass them off as the first time it's been in a phone, when really it's been around for ages.
I imagine the Asus RoG Phone 4 will, and Sony usually does.
It'd be nice if that were true. Rumor is flat 1080p screens as well, which would help keep the cost down. They also probably see that most people aren't going to be able to afford as expensive devices in the coming year, so why have potentially tons of stock leftover when you can just take less profit.
Exactly this. Especially since most things nowadays come with USB C. IMO if anything it'll create a larger push for universal adoption of USB C, since it'll reduce the amount of money manufacturers have to pay (chargers/cables). I invested in a couple of really nice USB C cables years ago, and haven't touched the included accessories since. I don't even dive that deep into the box anymore, which helps resale value.
Good.

Apple realized selling privacy is more profitable in the long run than selling data as their competitors solely exist on selling data. So market and sell the one thing your competitors can't do. It's a great strategy 

I used to think Apple saying all these things about how they like privacy was a joke. It still does get some nose air from me, but I am starting to take them more seriously

After doing tons of research, I chose Kaihl Box Whites on my new keyboard and I'm damn happy I did. Just watch a couple YouTube videos and you'll see (or hear) the difference. I would also take Gateron Blues over Cherry MX. Glad I got a hotswap board, so I can play with other ones, too (not Cherry MX lol). 
 
Everyone has their own preference, though. But there's no way in hell Cherry MX is worth more than Gaterons or Kaihl Box switches if you're looking for a keyboard. They may have BEEN the best at one point, but that time has come and gone. 

Haven't seen much info on r23, any good?
 

No.
 
 
JK. give me a minute 🙂

Slow. Youll want 3600 cl16-18-18-38
For example:
https://www.crucial.com/memory/ddr4/bl2k32g36c16u4b

What's your motherboard? 
 
If you get the same memory you'll probably get similar performance. Motherboard choice may impact this but should be pretty close, if anything. 
 
I'm using 1.44v DRAM Voltage currently but I'll try lowering it once I'm done playing with the settings.
 
For MSI BIOS, I used Memory Try It and set it to the 3800MHz 18-18-18-38 setting and then I manually increased frequency to 4000MHz and and IF to 2000MHz to keep it 1:1, then I changed the primary timings to 16-18-16-16-36 without touching the sub timings. If you do sub timings, do them after changing frequency, IF, primary timings and voltage, to ensure you can boot into windows. 
 
Sometimes it's sketchy, if you apply to many, or the wrong combination of settings, it won't post. Where if you do a little here and a little there, you'll get a better outcome.
 
I did try the sub timings and it does help but I haven't tested stability. I used The DRAM calculator for this (you may be able to tweak it further manually). It won't work when trying to set it to 4000MHz so I set it (in the program) to 3800MHz and used all the timings it gave me, I just used it with the 4000MHz frequency I was already running. 
 
Use level 4 for PBO if you have MSI or set it to advanced and increase everything below it to max. I set mine to:

Yes, I'm running 2000MHz currently. I tried 4200MHz on the RAM 1:1 and it would post and enter Windows but would crash very quick. Trying a middle ground now, like 4100MHz 1:1.
 
Also, thanks for the RAM help before, doubt the 4x8gb set would have worked as well! 
 
Yes sir. Testing higher now but 4200MHz 1:1 wouldn't work for long. Apparently they're working on a BIOS to help with stability.
 
I've seen someone with the Godlike motherboard achieve 4200MHz 14-14-14-32 1:1 w/IF (if I remember correctly). They're latency in Aida64 is insane! 

Yes, I'm running 2000MHz currently. I tried 4200MHz on the RAM 1:1 and it would post and enter Windows but would crash very quick. Trying a middle ground now, like 4100MHz 1:1.
 
Also, thanks for the RAM help before, doubt the 4x8gb set would have worked as well! 
 
Yes sir. Testing higher now but 4200MHz 1:1 wouldn't work for long. Apparently they're working on a BIOS to help with stability.
 
I've seen someone with the Godlike motherboard achieve 4200MHz 14-14-14-32 1:1 w/IF (if I remember correctly). They're latency in Aida64 is insane! 

Just sharing for whoever is interested.. 
 
The combination I'm using is a complete beast and I love it! 
 
I have a B550 Gaming Carbon paired with a 5900X and 3080 FTW3. Using a cheap Cooler Master 240mm AIO, for now (sold my water cooled setup to buy everything). 
 
I'm running Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600 C16 (16-18-18-38) micron E die and after a bit of tweaking I can run them at 4000MHz 16-18-18-18-36 2t which results in 2000MHz Infinity Fabric. I'm getting ~55ns on AIDA64 and 8400-8800 r20 multi and 630-644 single.
 
I am manually adjusting the frequency, timings and FCLK. 
 
I also heard they're working on either a BIOS/agesa update to improve stability for higher Infinity Fabric/Memory.. 
 
Also, on the MSI (if you have their motherboard), set PBO to 'Enhance Level 1' or set it to 'Advanced' and use your own settings. Level 4 is the slowest and Auto is garbage. I can get 800 more points in r20 by doing this. 
 
I'm pretty sure my 5900X boosts over 5GHz with PBO. Hard to tell. 
 
Manual OC, again, isn't worth it. Might gain a few hundred points in r20 but you'll lose single core speed, even at all core 4.8GHz. 
 
Pretty awesome stuff! Let me know if you want to see something specific or have any questions! 

Just sharing for whoever is interested.. 
 
The combination I'm using is a complete beast and I love it! 
 
I have a B550 Gaming Carbon paired with a 5900X and 3080 FTW3. Using a cheap Cooler Master 240mm AIO, for now (sold my water cooled setup to buy everything). 
 
I'm running Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600 C16 (16-18-18-38) micron E die and after a bit of tweaking I can run them at 4000MHz 16-18-18-18-36 2t which results in 2000MHz Infinity Fabric. I'm getting ~55ns on AIDA64 and 8400-8800 r20 multi and 630-644 single.
 
I am manually adjusting the frequency, timings and FCLK. 
 
I also heard they're working on either a BIOS/agesa update to improve stability for higher Infinity Fabric/Memory.. 
 
Also, on the MSI (if you have their motherboard), set PBO to 'Enhance Level 1' or set it to 'Advanced' and use your own settings. Level 4 is the slowest and Auto is garbage. I can get 800 more points in r20 by doing this. 
 
I'm pretty sure my 5900X boosts over 5GHz with PBO. Hard to tell. 
 
Manual OC, again, isn't worth it. Might gain a few hundred points in r20 but you'll lose single core speed, even at all core 4.8GHz. 
 
Pretty awesome stuff! Let me know if you want to see something specific or have any questions! 

Just sharing for whoever is interested.. 
 
The combination I'm using is a complete beast and I love it! 
 
I have a B550 Gaming Carbon paired with a 5900X and 3080 FTW3. Using a cheap Cooler Master 240mm AIO, for now (sold my water cooled setup to buy everything). 
 
I'm running Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600 C16 (16-18-18-38) micron E die and after a bit of tweaking I can run them at 4000MHz 16-18-18-18-36 2t which results in 2000MHz Infinity Fabric. I'm getting ~55ns on AIDA64 and 8400-8800 r20 multi and 630-644 single.
 
I am manually adjusting the frequency, timings and FCLK. 
 
I also heard they're working on either a BIOS/agesa update to improve stability for higher Infinity Fabric/Memory.. 
 
Also, on the MSI (if you have their motherboard), set PBO to 'Enhance Level 1' or set it to 'Advanced' and use your own settings. Level 4 is the slowest and Auto is garbage. I can get 800 more points in r20 by doing this. 
 
I'm pretty sure my 5900X boosts over 5GHz with PBO. Hard to tell. 
 
Manual OC, again, isn't worth it. Might gain a few hundred points in r20 but you'll lose single core speed, even at all core 4.8GHz. 
 
Pretty awesome stuff! Let me know if you want to see something specific or have any questions! 

to be honest with you are going to have to bot. waiting for intel will drive prices down. their 8 core option is going to destroy any CPU in single threaded performance.(26% against Ryzen 9) and has PCIe 4.0 which is around 3-5% increase. intel is going to take back its crown. I'm kinda already hyped for alder lake where they will have a 10nm version which will most likely have 10 cores. this will force amd hand as most people game and claim to due work on their pc.
 
tldr: intel will force amd prices down

That boost clock though.
 
 

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-lc-rx-6800-xt-gaming-oc.b8216

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-lc-rx-6800-xt-gaming-oc.b8216

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-lc-rx-6800-xt-gaming-oc.b8216

Here we go again. 6900XT (for now at least as there are no reviews yet) trades blows with RTX 3090 at lower board power, a lot more memory and 500€ lower price tag. Yet people are saying things like "I was hoping it'll be more reasonably priced". It's as good as RTX 3090 and WAY cheaper yet people somehow expected it to be even cheaper. Just no. That's not how things work and never have and never will. Stop treating AMD like it's some sort of charity who needs to constantly undercut their own prices just because it's AMD. Sure, I'm a consumer and I'd love to have RX 6900XT for 500€. But I'm also a realist and I know that just can't and won't happen. If AMD has a competitive product, they should be allowed to price it competitively. If not, they'll have to lower the price to compete, because some don't care for 5fps less, but care for 100€ price difference.
 
Radeon cards of the past used brute force approach and it showed. They had all the power on paper, but never really showed that in real world applications. RX 6000 changes that as I can clearly see AMD put real proper effort in designing this thing. Infinity Cache to solve the bandwidth limitations allowing them to make cheaper memory interface (narrower physical bus is cheaper to manufacture) and also use a cheaper more readily available GDDR6 (non X) VRAM memory) which should help greatly in availability as they'll be easier to assemble with more readily available parts opposed to more exotic GDDR6X on RTX 3000 cards. RX 6000 cards seem properly fast as is and I suspect Infinity Cache may hold some "fine wine" performance as AMD tweaks and fiddles with it. Great thing about this is they already deliver and it's not like you're forced to wait for fine wine to kick in with time to even compete. They are already competing and we can see some further uplift through this which can and probably will be nice. Gives me the good old Radeon x1800 vibes with the Ring Bus that allowed ATi back then to pump out some extra performance as they fine tuned it better for games.
 
It's really interesting to observe AMD how massively it has matured in just very few recent years in all key areas. CPU's are highly competitive now and Radeon cards, despite not having the ultimate flagship, realistically, RX 5700 was a very competitive and well thought out design departing from old designs dramatically. And it showed with performance. RDNA2 just elevates that to a whole new level. AMD really put new income from CPU's to a good use and most certainly hired the right people. Or just gave enough resources for their existing engineers to really spread their wings. Because prior to this, they had underwhelming products for years despite all the hype. RDNA based Navi dropped basically from nowhere without much hype and it just blew everyone away.

Yes, also maybe not 3200C14 this time but 3600C16 or higher.

So i tried my best at verifying AMDs numbers for the 6900XT aaaaaand...?!

 
 
numbers taken from GURU3D
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_rtx_3090_founder_review,1.html
 
And from Tomshardware (tagged with *)
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-3090-eagle-review
 
 
Edit: Added Tomshardware benchmarks