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Get the X570 Unify or if you don't want the same one as your friend then get the MEG ACE. I prefer the ACE over the Hero (have had both). My MSI B550 Gaming Carbon is overclocking my CPU (5900X) and RAM extremely well! And the VRMs stay very cool! I've used the Taichi, Tomahawk, Hero and MEG ACE and I think I get slightly better performance on my MSIs and I like the BIOS more. But the Master and Hero are both great boards but I think having 3x NVMe is better than having 2.. Not sure why Asus did just 2x AND released another more expensive board STILL with only 2, stupid. MEG ACE or Master. Pick one of those and be happy!

Haven't seen much info on r23, any good?

First time using.. Should I turn trest duration off or leave it at 10 min?

No. JK. give me a minute

Looking at a couple reviews, I noticed they had scores similar to this, at like default, but that's not what me or A LOT of others got at default OR with PBO! So maybe this can help someone.. Or not..

What's up?? Copying this over from my post on reddit. Figured it might be of interest to someone, maybe not.. Whatever I have a 5900X and I'm currently playing with the "Curve Optimizer" and am getting the best results I've seen on my CPU! I'm getting 646 single core and over 8900 muti in r20! A little context.. I thought I was getting the best performance I could without a manual overclock by using custom PBO settings and setting the curve optimizer to negative 10 all core. I couldn't get lower than negative 10 to work for all core. I even tried doing per-core and at first I tried increasing on what I thought were my best cores (through HWInfo).. I tried -15 on a few different ones at different times and it just didn't work for me. I was tired of trying things and gave up for a while.. With a manual 4.7GHz OC I was looking at 8900-9100 (mostly below 9000) in r20 but my single core score would suffer, dropping to ~617 from ~635. I even tried per CCX (or CCD?) overclocking and it just wasn't stable, 4.7GHz all-core seemed to be the best manual OC I could get. Before, I was using the curve optimizer and only PBO and was seeing ~8500 multi and - 625 single which was easy to reproduce. With custom PBO + negative 10 all-core curve optimizer I was just barely getting over 8700 multi and ~635 single (642 was max I've EVER seen and couldn't reproduce it). After adjusting the curve optimizer per core, along with PBO, I was able to get 8950 multi and 646 single in r20. Over 640 is now common. That's nearly as good as a manual OC, I can literally get the same multi core score now AND get higher single core score! That's exactly what I've been working towards! ALL-CORE OVERCLOCKING IS DEAD! I was hitting 5GHz here and there but now I'm hitting over that just ever so slightly AND more often. I'm seeing 5150MHz on one core, 5075MHz on another and 5050MHz on the third one that reaches 5GHz. I've actually seen two of them hit 5150MHz but not sure if was at the same time (probably not). I'm seeing 4850MHz and 4775MHz often on several cores (up to 6) while playing Apex when it use to be 4400-4675MHz. I'm also seeing 5GHz while playing when I've never seen that before while playing Apex. What this translates to actual FPS I have no fucking clue. What did I do? After seeing the thread about PBO2 with the video (didn't watch it) and seeing AMD_Roberts replies, it regained my interest, so I went back to the BIOS to try a couple things.. Instead of sticking to one number for curve optimizer for all core, or just trying to set what I thought were the best cores to lower numbers, I actually started from the bottom, raising each number except for the top 5 (because I tried higher numbers before and failed) and did a lot of testing. I could get the bottom number to 70 but that didn't help much more than 40. Currently, this is what's getting the results above (curve optimizer per-core): Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 10 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Negative 35 Seems simple right? Maybe some of you already figured this out, but for those who want to push your CPU a little more, do some testing. Try my numbers. BUT also try testing other numbers and combinations.. Each CPU may work differently. I did eventually try higher numbers again in the top 5 but it resulted in crashes or lower r20 scores. I tried positive numbers here and there, I tried keeping a few cores the same numbers, I tried decreasing in increments from bottom to top. For instance, I tried (from the bottom) 70, 60, 50, 40, 35, 30, 25, 15, 10, 10, 10, 10.. I saw a decrease in performance but it still allowed me to run tests without crashing. This is all kind of weird and new to me. My PBO settings are manually set to: Precision Boost Overdrive: ADVANCED PBO Limits: MOTHERBOARD PBO Scalar: Manual, 5X MAX CPU PBO: 200MHz Platform Thermal Throttle Limit: 255 (max) On MSI you can just set to 'Enhance Level 2' to get this. SOMETHING IMPORTANT TO NOTE: before I was playing heavily with the curve optimizer, I found that OCing the RAM, whether increasing frequency or tightening the timings, DECREASED PERFORMANCE (on top of the WHEA errors obviously)!!!! That's why I'm running XMP ONLY at the moment. But after playing with the curve, I might try tweaking it again, but may have to wait for a BIOS update. Not sure. Here's my specs (RAM is running XMP only!): 5900X B550 Gaming Carbon GTX 1080 TI 2x16GB Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600 Cl16 Dual Rank RM850

My kit is dual rank. That kit I posted is single rank. Both same model.

Right..But you can't tell without having the physical sticks right? It says 2048Mb x64 on the website which TrigrH said means dual rank.

Wat?

So I was just getting below 7800 points multi core so I decided to reset BIOS (MSI B550) and run stock. Not touching any settings I went up to ~8140 multi and 634 single. Then I set XMP and tightened timings (3600 16-16-16-34) and set PBO to advanced and increased everything to maximum without touching curve optimizer. I went up to ~8700 multi and stayed at 634 single. R23: 22489 multi and 1635 single with test duration turned off.

Turns out I am getting WHEA errors. Not sure what that really means but it's been pretty stable so far. Sorry you're having problems!

Mine are dual rank and seem to overclock pretty well. Also, gamers nexus did a video on 2x8gb vs 4x8gb and concluded that 4x8gb can offer better performance. 4x8gb single rank is pretty similar to 2x16gb dual rank. At least that's my limited understanding so far.

BL2K16G36C16U4BL. I did up the timings a little as 14-14-14-34 cause a crash (I think). Can come in dual or single rank, appearantly.

I found them haha. So I do have them. I lowered to 3200mhz 14-14-14-34 and I'm not seeing them now, but I see a bunch of other errors lol, not gonna dwell on it, though. Seems stable.

Seems fine on my B550 Gaming Carbon running RAM at 4000mhz 1:1 with infinity fabric at 2000mhz with timings of 16-17-15-15-34 1t.

How do you see whea errors? I see nothing in event viewer. I'm running my RAM at 4000mhz 1:1 with infinity fabric at 2000mhz with timings of 16-17-15-15-34 1t. Tested with memtest86. 5900x B550 Gaming Carbon

What's your motherboard? If you get the same memory you'll probably get similar performance. Motherboard choice may impact this but should be pretty close, if anything. I'm using 1.44v DRAM Voltage currently but I'll try lowering it once I'm done playing with the settings. For MSI BIOS, I used Memory Try It and set it to the 3800MHz 18-18-18-38 setting and then I manually increased frequency to 4000MHz and and IF to 2000MHz to keep it 1:1, then I changed the primary timings to 16-18-16-16-36 without touching the sub timings. If you do sub timings, do them after changing frequency, IF, primary timings and voltage, to ensure you can boot into windows. Sometimes it's sketchy, if you apply to many, or the wrong combination of settings, it won't post. Where if you do a little here and a little there, you'll get a better outcome. I did try the sub timings and it does help but I haven't tested stability. I used The DRAM calculator for this (you may be able to tweak it further manually). It won't work when trying to set it to 4000MHz so I set it (in the program) to 3800MHz and used all the timings it gave me, I just used it with the 4000MHz frequency I was already running. Use level 4 for PBO if you have MSI or set it to advanced and increase everything below it to max. I set mine to:

Yes, I'm running 2000MHz currently. I tried 4200MHz on the RAM 1:1 and it would post and enter Windows but would crash very quick. Trying a middle ground now, like 4100MHz 1:1. Also, thanks for the RAM help before, doubt the 4x8gb set would have worked as well! Yes sir. Testing higher now but 4200MHz 1:1 wouldn't work for long. Apparently they're working on a BIOS to help with stability. I've seen someone with the Godlike motherboard achieve 4200MHz 14-14-14-32 1:1 w/IF (if I remember correctly). They're latency in Aida64 is insane!

I sold my previous system to afford it.. I went from this: To this: I I'll just upgrade the case and cooling when I have some extra money.. As for the 5GHz, it won't work. Not on one CCX, not all core or without SMT enabled. I can log into Windows but it crashes when starting r20. 4.8 on one CCX and 4.7 on the other offers slightly better multi core but drops single core (still remains above 600 so not necessarily bad).

Get an MSI.. That would be my choice!

Just sharing for whoever is interested.. The combination I'm using is a complete beast and I love it! I have a B550 Gaming Carbon paired with a 5900X and 3080 FTW3. Using a cheap Cooler Master 240mm AIO, for now (sold my water cooled setup to buy everything). I'm running Crucial Ballistix RGB 3600 C16 (16-18-18-38) micron E die and after a bit of tweaking I can run them at 4000MHz 16-18-18-18-36 2t which results in 2000MHz Infinity Fabric. I'm getting ~55ns on AIDA64 and 8400-8800 r20 multi and 630-644 single. I am manually adjusting the frequency, timings and FCLK. I also heard they're working on either a BIOS/agesa update to improve stability for higher Infinity Fabric/Memory.. Also, on the MSI (if you have their motherboard), set PBO to 'Enhance Level 1' or set it to 'Advanced' and use your own settings. Level 4 is the slowest and Auto is garbage. I can get 800 more points in r20 by doing this. I'm pretty sure my 5900X boosts over 5GHz with PBO. Hard to tell. Manual OC, again, isn't worth it. Might gain a few hundred points in r20 but you'll lose single core speed, even at all core 4.8GHz. Pretty awesome stuff! Let me know if you want to see something specific or have any questions!

I got a 5900X + 3080 from Micro Center on the 5th.. But I waited in line starting at 7pm the night before.. Got pretty excited when I found out 3080s arrived that night! Even though I wasn't the 6800 XT but we'll see what benchmarks say first, I'm not camping out again lol. If you're near a Micro Center I suggest visiting them very early in the mornings.. The get shipments a couple times a week. With a bit of luck and timing, you should be able to grab one.

There's a couple new boards from MSI, Asus and Asrock.. B550 Unify (4x ram slots)(4X NVMe) B550 Unify X (2x ram slots)(4x NVMe) X570 Dark Hero ($20 extra to remove a fan that shouldn't have been there LOL, nothing special) B550 Strix XE (comes with PCIE NVMe expander card) Looks like MSI is KILLING it! I think there's a Tuf one, too.. And Asrock is doing something special with the Taichi, making it Razer Chroma garbage (if you're into that). Get whatever board you want.. Ive had one from all of the manufactures (X570 and B550) and they will all work just fine lol.

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/asus-rog-strix-lc-rx-6800-xt-gaming-oc.b8216

Thanks for the reply! again Is it worth dealing with the selling and buying? I got the 2x8gb (after removing the other 2) to run at 3733 14-15-15-32 (so far). I haven't mem86 tested yet but I could barely get the 4 sticks stable at 3733 16-19-16-36 (could boot but returns errors in mem86). I know it may not yield the best overall performance increase, but strictly for overclocking purposes, is it worth it?