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Okay commenting as I watch:
 
-Dell is still awful and scripted as ever, but what makes this even worse is they paid for "premium support".  How is script readers in India in anyway above your "standard support?"  What is standard?  Because about the only thing below this is just being hung up on.
 
-AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN FIX IT!  AND WHAT'S WITH HAVING TO SEND IT TO DELL!  THEY PAID FOR IN HOME SERVICE!  WTF?!?!?!?!?!
 
-HP definitely has clued in that the gaming market is exploding and has made a commitment all around to sell and provide support for their gaming products.  I remember the days you might find ONE HP desktop, the most expensive one, with a GPU somewhere in the midrange.  If I still bought pre-builts Id have absolutely no problem buying an HP
 
-The Ibuypower call is what happens when you hire somebody who just "knows about computers" rather than an actual tech who knows AND has the skills to understand 1)how to translate them to people who don't over the phone to fix problems and 2)knows to isolate problem solving and not "shotgun" it as linus calls it.  If I'm working on my own PC I might "shotgun it" to cover a lot of things at once.  But Im not gonna tell somebody who might not know that much about PCs over the phone.
 
Help desk is 3 parts: Customer service skills, technical knowledge, and documentation skills.  Not just computer skills.
 
-Cyberpower is just good.  Not great.  Not bad.  Just good.  Solid.
 
-And Origin is showing iBuypower the difference between having someone who knows about computers and an actual help desk technician.  Dude knows his stuff and has helped so many people he's browsing facebook running through what is standard to him in his head
 
 

Shout out to the 3-4 people in the previous video who were defending dell in this obvious scam doing some absolutely insane mental gymnastics to justify how Linus' PC ended up $300 more than what you could buy it on the website for without the warranty. ("Oh it must be on sale now when it wasn't when Linus bought")  Hopefully Dell paid you for that shilling. 

Shout out to the 3-4 people in the previous video who were defending dell in this obvious scam doing some absolutely insane mental gymnastics to justify how Linus' PC ended up $300 more than what you could buy it on the website for without the warranty. ("Oh it must be on sale now when it wasn't when Linus bought")  Hopefully Dell paid you for that shilling. 

Alright, had time to do more testing, moving to dialing in ram.  This is my procedure for dialing in your Zen 3 IF.  Posted to reddit, getting feedback of success on other MBs as well. 
BETA GUIDE TO DIALING IN ZEN 3 INFINITY FABRIC
1.  Set SOC voltage to 1.0, both VDDG voltages to 0.900, and ram to 2133 16-20-20-20-40 to eliminate any chance of a fluke RAM error
2.  Set FCLK to 1600.
3.  Test with AIDA64, OCCT 30 minutes each.  Confirm stability.
4.  If unstable, increasing and decreasing SOC voltages in .025 steps.  Max SOC voltage is 1.2
5.  If you hit an SOC wall where you reach 1.2 volts or changing voltage either way increases the WHEA error rate, trying increasing VDDG voltages in 0.025 increments  Remember that VDDG voltages can only be .05 volts below SOC voltage at the most (they can go as low as stable) as infinity fabric voltage is directly derived from the SOC voltage.
6.  Dial up FCLK one notch at a time.  Repeat step 3.
7.  If instability, repeat steps 4-5
8.  For final stability test at desired FCLK, run both AIDA64 and OCCT for an hour each.
9.  Bring your RAM frequency up to match and begin dialing in timings as normal.
 

Yes that is likely samsung B-die.
Yes it should work.
I have the RGB version of that kit and used it with a 3600
 
HOWEVER, I helped someone with that exact board a few days ago and found searching for it that for some reason it doesnt allow XMP profiles to be used.  Timings have to be entered manually.  So I'd choose a different board if you're not OCing it as you said below.
 
 
There's a very, very high chance this will just be plug and play
The B-die that comes in Trident Z 3600 16-16-16 is some really high binned stuff with a lot of headroom.
I got my kit to 3600 CL14 at 1.375 volts.  Just a .025 increase over stock.  I needed 1.42 volts for CL12.
Also SOC and RAM have very little to do with each other voltage wise, with some exceptions once you get into the finer aspects of OCing.  But SOC is mainly used for make IF stable while RAM voltage is mainly used well, for RAM.  You can even get into bus termination and use higher ProcODT sometimes to use lower voltages.
 
I'd very much expect highly binned samsung B-die to be able to do it's stock XMP profile (1.35 volts).  In my limited tests (before I started OCing) with a very similar kit, I was able to get the stock XMP profile stable undervolted @ 1.27 volts. 
The 3200 thing was Zen+ and Zen.  Zen 2 can go to 3800 generally while keeping IF 1:1, while the earlier ones were limited to 3200 unless you decoupled the IF, and sometimes not even then because of IMC.

Yeah I have to say I found those videos + hardware unboxed much more informative than this hastily thrown together video that has a lot of bad takes IMO.
 
Its really a "Jack of all trades, master of none" type video.  They want to be the first to cover all the cards so badly they end up covering none of them well.  I felt the same way with the Ryzen 5000 launch where they crammed all the CPUs into one video and ended up not really giving much useable advice for people looking at a specific CPU.
 
This graph is so much more usable and well presented (Hardware unboxed) and IMO paints quite a different picture than the conclusions drawn in the LTT video, which sampled what, 5 games?

 
 
The main channel has gone from informational to infotainment is now treading on the lines of being entertainment without the info.

Do you have the latest chipset drivers installed?  

Only thing I can think of off the top of my head is a software bug (like a driver issue) that doesn't interface with hardware reporting correctly.  I know a lot of the hardware monitors had reduced functionality when Zen 3 launched until they got patched. 

Yeah I have to say I found those videos + hardware unboxed much more informative than this hastily thrown together video that has a lot of bad takes IMO.
 
Its really a "Jack of all trades, master of none" type video.  They want to be the first to cover all the cards so badly they end up covering none of them well.  I felt the same way with the Ryzen 5000 launch where they crammed all the CPUs into one video and ended up not really giving much useable advice for people looking at a specific CPU.
 
This graph is so much more usable and well presented (Hardware unboxed) and IMO paints quite a different picture than the conclusions drawn in the LTT video, which sampled what, 5 games?

 
 
The main channel has gone from informational to infotainment is now treading on the lines of being entertainment without the info.

My next build I'll likely upgrade all monitors but for now I'm still at 1080 with the main one having high refresh rate.
 
At least we have OBS and such which is widely accepted for streaming so no real loss there more overhead sure but it's not a deal breaker. However I do agree they do need to spend a lot of money and time on the drivers, hopefully for the next batch.
 
I can't sell mine, it would be a little hard too, well not hard just expensive. At the time I didn't know and with past experience with AMD I went with them, any issues arise I'll know how to fix them and by the sounds of things half the issues revolve around software I typically don't use anyways. Still happy I built it when I did since it was just weeks before the pandemic hit.
 
I'm leaning LTT is becoming more Linus (for his own) Entertainment (this is also reinforced with the recent TechLinked ep), meaning no longer worthy for Tips in the channels name, I found both GN and Jays videos far better more realistic in terms of what you can expect from the card along with more informative. I among many I'm sure would rather a informative video that feels boring for 15 minutes or a 30 minute video that you can skip to parts you care about over a 10-15 minute garbage fest. After all people are investing hundreds of dollars into a GPU (potentially more for SAM and a new CPU) a content creator shouldn't take such things lightly for their viewers and should do as good of a job as possible, which this video has not.

There's something different about these 5000 series CPUs and how they handle IF instability/errors.  I can boot and be seemingly okay at 2000 FCLK until I run any memory test and look for WHEA errors, at which point it becomes very apparent I'm unstable.
 
With my 3600 I'd just straight hit a no boot wall at 1933
Look in Ryzen Master for "Coupled Mode"

If you can manage to find it, a 1600AF is basically a 2600 in disguise and will give a considerable bump over the regular 1600 if you can find it for the same price. Or see if the 1600 you got is an AF model, in which case you're golden.
 
The trouble is finding one that isn't scalped up to 2600 prices.  Maybe things might be a bit better over there?  Worth a few minutes of browsing at least.
 
With that said, it will be a modest bottleneck but not horrible as the others said.  Will vary a bit game to game depending on how much the game scales with cores vs being dependent on a few highly clocked ones.

I love Anthony, he's really improved the channel but this might be my first criticism:
"Its only $80 less than the 6800xt what is AMD smoking right now?"
 
What AMD is smoking is the idea that Nvidia is holding out slots in their lineup between the cards they've released to see what AMD has and position their cards against it, so AMD is is betting on that and launching a pre-emptively launching a card against a hypothetical 3070ti.
 
Which, if the recent rumor mill that was right about the 3080ti is to believed, was a good move.
 
Just like it was a good move to force Nvidia's hand with a 3080ti.  Thereby shattering their attempt to regain "good guy" points with this release (as if it needed anymore pounding into the ground with how the launch was handled)
 
Whatever Nvidia releases the 3070ti at, AMD can respond if needed w/ price cut to 3070 level
 
Literal 4D chess unfolding.

I love Anthony, he's really improved the channel but this might be my first criticism:
"Its only $80 less than the 6800xt what is AMD smoking right now?"
 
What AMD is smoking is the idea that Nvidia is holding out slots in their lineup between the cards they've released to see what AMD has and position their cards against it, so AMD is is betting on that and launching a pre-emptively launching a card against a hypothetical 3070ti.
 
Which, if the recent rumor mill that was right about the 3080ti is to believed, was a good move.
 
Just like it was a good move to force Nvidia's hand with a 3080ti.  Thereby shattering their attempt to regain "good guy" points with this release (as if it needed anymore pounding into the ground with how the launch was handled)
 
Whatever Nvidia releases the 3070ti at, AMD can respond if needed w/ price cut to 3070 level
 
Literal 4D chess unfolding.

Looking into early reasons why MSI boards were the most harshly affected now that I've really ascertained what's going on, they seem to have the most aggressive voltages for the SOC and IF in XMP mode over other boards.  Until I passed 3866, my I'd get WHEA errors if my SOC voltage was 1.1, which is MSI's XMP auto setting.
 
Once I needed the voltage for IF stability, it was the opposite.
 
From preliminary findings I'd start with 1 volt SOC, 0.900 VDDG voltages and bump as needed when going up the ladder.  It seems what causes errors at one point, might not at another.  Entering these manually should also work for XMP profiles on Zen 3, not just manual OCing.  Should be a fix in lieu of a BIOS update

It's all coming down to SOC voltage.  I have tons of leeway on VDDG voltage, Im back down to stock 0.900 voltage, but I have to be within .02 volts of a certain point in SOC voltage once I get above 3666. 
Too high: instability.  To low: instability.  While this was somewhat the case with Zen 2, the sensitivity of IF to SOC voltage is on a whole other level with Zen 3.
I got it to 1933 before I hit a wall @ 1967 that both going lower and higher on SOC voltage results in more instability.  But I was still able to post unlike the wall I hit with Zen 2 at 1900.
 
Also, for the first time, I'm seeing scaling in IF with voltage that is directly proportional.  Didn't see any type of linear scaling with my 3600 (Zen 2) and 1700 (Zen).  The returns were disproportional to any voltage applied.  The only time applying more voltage was useful for IF was if you were on the threshold of stability.

Alright, had time to do more testing, moving to dialing in ram.  This is my procedure for dialing in your Zen 3 IF.  Posted to reddit, getting feedback of success on other MBs as well. 
BETA GUIDE TO DIALING IN ZEN 3 INFINITY FABRIC
1.  Set SOC voltage to 1.0, both VDDG voltages to 0.900, and ram to 2133 16-20-20-20-40 to eliminate any chance of a fluke RAM error
2.  Set FCLK to 1600.
3.  Test with AIDA64, OCCT 30 minutes each.  Confirm stability.
4.  If unstable, increasing and decreasing SOC voltages in .025 steps.  Max SOC voltage is 1.2
5.  If you hit an SOC wall where you reach 1.2 volts or changing voltage either way increases the WHEA error rate, trying increasing VDDG voltages in 0.025 increments  Remember that VDDG voltages can only be .05 volts below SOC voltage at the most (they can go as low as stable) as infinity fabric voltage is directly derived from the SOC voltage.
6.  Dial up FCLK one notch at a time.  Repeat step 3.
7.  If instability, repeat steps 4-5
8.  For final stability test at desired FCLK, run both AIDA64 and OCCT for an hour each.
9.  Bring your RAM frequency up to match and begin dialing in timings as normal.
 

https://www.techpowerup.com/download/ryzen-dram-calculator/

I would use the Ryzen DRAM calculator and get manual timings for a safe profile at your desired speed.   You'll probably get a bump in performance over a stock XMP profile as well.

You need a variety of things to test OC.  Ive had things pass hours of AIDA and OCCT just to fail and have a system restart in cinebench.

Watching the video now.  I will say I wish Linus would see the other side to the single channel ram stick.  MANY times when I used to get prebuilts I'd get so pissed because they'd come with like 2 512MB sticks for example to make up 1GB leaving no free slots and I would be like "Why TF could you not just use 1 1GB stick so I could just do a drop in upgrade without losing a stick"
 
I would have LOVED (when I bought pre-builts) for manufacturers to always provide their ram on one stick.

All this concern over what is front panel and what is back panel, and I'm over here in 2021 just turning my case backwards so all my I/O is facing me.

dell really needs to change it to a line by line price

Yup.  Last prebuilt I got that wasn't a laptop was 06?  I think?  HP Core 2 duo and I played FEAR on it

You're saying there are no bad PSUs that can't output their rated power, and that there are only bad PSUs with bad multiple rail config. That's not true.
What you're describing is a very valid issue, and certainly relevant to this topic, but cheap power supplies with completely fake, inflated power ratings (like a PSU with output diodes rated for 250W total, yet the sticker on the PSU claiming it can do 500W) is a far more widespread problem than PSUs which are capable of outputting their full rated power, except having poorly designed OCP limits on their 12V rails. Let's not forget the threat of power supplies rated at 2x higher than what their internal components can do.
No, it simply means there is one 12V rail - there are no specific implications about rated wattage beyond that. Good PSUs with mutliple 12V rails can also output their full power solely on 12V. They just have safety power limits on certain sets of connectors, for example: the ATX connector and one PCIe connector are limited to 420W max, another two PCIe connectors are limited to 420W, and all the SATA and peripheral cables are limited to 300W max from 12V.
Some PSUs with multiple 12V rails have those limits set too low for the top end cards with their huge power spikes. In some cases, those huge power spikes are enough to trip one of those safety power limits on certain sets of cables, even if the power spikes don't reach the total combined rated power of the PSU.
Single 12V rail power supplies don't have any safety limits on sets of cables, so there is nothing to trip for the spikes. (Except the total power limit.)
 
Unfortunately we can't really tell if your PSU is good for that or not, for the simple reason that there are no reviews of it. The Eteknix page you linked to can't be called a review, because none of the tests are performed correctly.
The voltage regulation test is the most hilarious one, and also the worst offender - their way of calculating it makes every PSU enthusiast scratch their head. It's like they only had a vague idea that voltage regulation is related to measuring output voltages and arriving at a nice percentage score, like other reviewers do, but they didn't know what it actually is or how it is calculated, so they began throwing random formulas at it, until they found one that generates nice looking % scores. Unfortunately, their measure of "average deviance" is completely useless and absolutely meaningless in terms of the PSU's performance. And indeed that's not the only thing wrong with those articles.
The reviews on that website are one of the worst I've seen in terms of "being terrible, yet, at first sight believable to outsiders". In my experience I notice mainly two categories of PSU reviewing sites: ones which are pretty blatantly bad (the ones who just measure voltages using HWInfo on a real PC running a benchmark), and sites which do solid, correct tests in several most important categories but can't afford the equipment to do a full suite like Tom's Hardware. Eteknix sits in a bizarre category of their own, since they post numbers and tables that look like a real review (some familiar numbers with percents, some oscilloscope screenshots, some graphs), but the way of getting and interpreting them is completely made up. They do have some measuring equipment - a load tester and an oscilloscope, they just seemingly don't know how to use them to actually get useful results. Reading commentary around the tested PSU's internal photos and the testing methodology page makes it obvious they're written by a person who just doesn't know much about testing power supplies, and power supplies in general.
 
I'm sorry for the rant, I realize it's not particularly useful to you. To the point: despite the review data being useless, we can tell from the internal photos of your PSU that it's a well-built high end one, and it shouldn't have troubles powering anything up to its rated power. There's no reason to preemptively worry about it having issues powering a 6800XT. If it can't handle the card (like some PSUs with RTX3080) it will shut down, but there's a much higher chance it will simply work fine.
It's also good to wait for reviews of the cards, so we can see how much power they really consume and how big transient spikes they cause on PSUs.