Dravinian

No they are not 'just for games', those are the framerates while streaming. Intel, if all you are doing is streaming gameplay, is the better CPU today. AMD might be better next week, next month, next year. AMD is better for editing, for rendering and for multitasking. But I have seen no basis for the claim that AMD is better for streaming today. Everyone was posting like it was a performance boost over Intel, "it's better for streaming"...well is it? Where is the evidence that AMD is better than intel for streaming, right now? Bear in mind, I bought a Ryzen 9 - 3900x, I am not an Intel fan boy, but be honest about what it can do well and what Intel does better.

I see a lot of posters saying AMD is better for streaming....based on what? This video seems to suggest otherwise, with benchmarks.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZAqV6yo2vo&t=527s i9-9900k - streaming GTA V - 105 fps i7-9700k - streaming GTA V - 104 fps R9-3900x - streaming GTA V - 93 fps R7-3700x - streaming GTA V - 92 fps Posted before I was finished. Editing is better with AMD, rendering is better, but actually streaming? On what basis is AMD better?

Good video here for Motherboard comparisons, out of my budget so didn't look to see what was best for the money you want to spend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuyuS04lD4o If you just gaming and streaming, I think 64gb of RAM is a bit overkill. if I had 4k to spend, I think I would buy this: But then, I would do a lot more with it than just gaming. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Threadripper 3970X 3.7 GHz 32-Core Processor $1899.99 @ Amazon Motherboard Gigabyte TRX40 AORUS MASTER EATX sTRX4 Motherboard $474.99 @ Amazon Memory G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $209.99 @ Newegg Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $119.99 @ Amazon Storage Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $163.40 @ Amazon Video Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING OC Video Card $1099.99 @ Newegg Power Supply Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $119.99 @ Best Buy Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total (before mail-in rebates) $4138.34 Mail-in rebates -$50.00 Total $4088.34 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 19:15 EDT-0400

His budget is $5000. If he said his budget was $2000 then you would have a point. We are not their bank manager, if they want to spend a lot on a PC and get the best money can buy, then show them what it is, if they change their mind they can ask again and we can make new suggestions. Also far above is in comparison to the fact that the i9-990k, the 7-3700x and the 3900x are all very similar in games due to the fact that the GPU takes on the majority of the work and the single world thread dictates the small differences that you see, and I accept that it is small, but it is better. Also that benchmark was done at 1080p....really? You running a 2080 ti and a i9-9900k at 1080p are you? You the last standing bastion of spending thousands of pounds on computer equipment so you can run 1080p? Good video here demonstrating the difference between 3900x vs 3700x and against Intel.

This is high end graphics card, best available today, since you are coming from a console and not detailing any other uses I think putting the money into the GPU would serve you best. To be clear, I am not saying that the Zotac card is the best, actually it is the cheapest model from a recognised brand that I could find. However, it is built upon the best available Graphics card design. But you can update us on what you think you might be doing other than gaming, in which case we can update the build suggestion. I took the monitor off as you said that wouldn't come out of the same budget. Seek advice on the monitor, it is an important part of the gaming rig for PCs. You will want 27" 1440p 144hz monitor as a minimum to do this spec justice. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor £255.98 @ Amazon UK Motherboard Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard £189.99 @ AWD-IT Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £108.47 @ Newegg UK Storage Samsung 970 Evo 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive £99.99 @ Box Limited Storage Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive £70.88 @ Amazon UK Video Card Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB Twin Video Card £1061.97 @ Aria PC Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case £96.48 @ Scan.co.uk Power Supply Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply £120.43 @ Overclockers.co.uk Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total £2004.19 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 23:04 BST+0100

He didn't ask for a budget build, and if you are talking about gaming and not a big core CPU for future proofing...why aren't you telling him to go Intel? Intel STILL has the edge in gaming. The i9-9900k is a better CPU for gaming alone than the Ryzen, just Ryzen is better for almost everything else and will only continue to get better. So why go down from a 3950x Ryzen to a 3700x Ryzen on the basis that you don't need a 3950x for gaming....but not tell him to buy Intel? I don't understand that logic at all. You don't need Ryzen at all for gaming, in fact, it is worse than Intel. Besides the 3900x performs better than the 3700x in gaming, and I would therefore assume that the 3950x performs better still though I haven't seen the benchmarking for that. I have seen the 3950x benchmarks in gaming now, it is closer to Intel, but still behind it, and far above the 3700x.

I think build might be suitable: Fast RAM, good PSU and a high-end CPU. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor €820.66 @ Amazon Italia CPU Cooler Corsair H100i PRO 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler €127.64 @ Amazon Italia Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard €240.40 @ Amazon Italia Memory G.Skill Trident Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory €163.98 @ Amazon Italia Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive €120.99 @ Amazon Italia Storage Samsung 860 Pro 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive €263.52 @ Amazon Italia Video Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB WINDFORCE Video Card €1294.08 @ Amazon Italia Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case €104.54 @ Amazon Italia Power Supply Corsair RMx White (2018) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply €196.00 @ Amazon Italia Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total €3331.81 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 22:12 CEST+0200

You have two mutually exclusive coolers there, so will have to pick one. You could have the same performance for less actual spend. Cooler could be stepped down to H100i without compromise. RAM could come down to 16gb without it making any difference to gaming. Could get a better PSU though, 550w is a little light, I would want 750w, just for a bit of headroom.

Can we advertise other content creators work here? It isn't me, so hopefully that is ok. Jayztwocents has a video, I have it saved: He takes you through what to do after, and I think he does it well.

In all honesty, *shrug* not sure there is a lot of difference. MSI had some MB issues recently, highlighted by Hardware Unboxed, but aside from that, they are both known brands in the techworld. Neither one stands out to me in anyway at all. I could some it all up with one word: "meh"

Yeah just wondering whether you need to format and initiliase the drive first, but it has been an age since I did it.

You do not mention what drive you are attempting to install windows too. Was it an old drive?

Ok my options for the build: Changes: CPU: upgrade to Ryzen 9 MB: Upgrade to x570 (this is the wifi version, no price for non-wifi but usually $40 less RAM: 3600 known brand ram GPU: Gigabyte version of 2080 ti PSU: 750w is sufficient This is currently $15 under budget, but that does include $40 for the non-wifi MB (if you don't need wifi on the MB) which does only leave $55 for a case. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor $432.41 @ Amazon Motherboard Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard $189.99 @ Best Buy Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $83.99 @ Newegg Storage ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $78.98 @ Amazon Video Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING OC Video Card $1099.99 @ Newegg Power Supply Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $119.99 @ Best Buy Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total (before mail-in rebates) $2055.35 Mail-in rebates -$50.00 Total $2005.35 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 05:54 EDT-0400

This is the system that you built on PP. I will have a look at it now.. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $294.14 @ Amazon Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.99 @ Best Buy Memory G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $94.89 @ Newegg Storage ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $78.98 @ Amazon Video Card MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card $1194.00 @ Newegg Power Supply Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $144.99 @ Best Buy Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total (before mail-in rebates) $1941.99 Mail-in rebates -$20.00 Total $1921.99 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 05:46 EDT-0400

I do find it odd that you are spending more on your MB than you are the CPU. My suggested build is a little over what you spent, but it has updated a very old GPU as well as the CPU. I mean, if it comes to it, try selling the 980 ti on Ebay, you might get some dollars for it to recoup to make up the extra this build would cost. Changes: CPU: upgrade to Ryzen 9 - future proofing; MB: A board that does the job; RAM: A known brand at a cheaper price; GPU: 5700xt good balance of performance and cost; CASE: Lian Li Dynamic - great looking case, loads of room for water cooling; PSU: 750w is plenty No additional fans, you can buy them later if necessary. Overall, I would say a big boost to performance for a small additional cost. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor $754.15 @ Amazon Australia Motherboard Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard $397.99 @ Amazon Australia Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $162.00 @ Skycomp Technology Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $188.00 @ Mwave Australia Video Card Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card $718.30 @ Newegg Australia Case Lian Li PC-O11 Dynamic ATX Full Tower Case $209.00 @ JW Computers Power Supply Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $195.00 @ Skycomp Technology Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $2624.44 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 19:34 AEST+1000

I did the build below, solid build, under budget, known brands. Changes: 3600 RAM you do not need more than that, from a known brand. 650w PSU from a known brand 500gb NVMe that is enough to get going - adding storage is easy Meshify Case - it is just a nice case good airflow and you are still within budget. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $172.76 @ Walmart Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $114.99 @ Best Buy Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $76.99 @ Newegg Storage Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $68.95 @ Adorama Storage Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $54.99 @ Adorama Video Card Gigabyte GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB WINDFORCE OC 3X Video Card $499.99 @ B&H Case Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case $99.98 @ Newegg Power Supply SeaSonic FOCUS Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $107.98 @ Newegg Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $1196.63 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-28 05:18 EDT-0400

I looked really hard for a monitor with 2 display ports....so rare. I have a work laptop into a Dock, then simply move the Thunderbolt connection to my Dell XPS when I want to use my laptop, which switches everything that is plugged into the dock (focusrite, screens, power etc) I also have the K580(?) logitech keyboard and mouse, where you can click a button and they switch from one device to another (can have up to 3 devices connected - 1 by dongle and 2x by bluetooth). Only complaint I have seen is that the light goes off on them, so you don't know which one it is connected to, but since when I switch I entirely switch (end of work day), it isn't a problem. Now I have got a desktop (part build) and realistically, I think I will bluetooth the laptops for the keyboard and dongle the desktop, use the Dock for the Laptops, run the Desktop directly into the screens (unfortunately not by DP as the dock requires them), and fortunately I have a Helix LT so can use that for sound on the desktop running to my studio monitors that have 2 inputs so I can click a button on the remote to switch them over. If I wanted to headphone it, I think I would have to take the headphones out of one device and plug in another...or have two sets of headphones.

Not sure I understand the part picker list... You lowered the build cost by choosing better parts, really good, but didn't really do anything with the extra money? I know he said he was stretching budget and it was $2k, but if you can stretch, worth showing why it is worthwhile. Better CPU and better MB still comes out better than original build price. However, this doesn't really improve gaming, at 1440p. So I created a second list which improves on gaming experience. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor $428.50 @ Vuugo CPU Cooler Deepcool GAMMAXX 400 74.34 CFM CPU Cooler $24.99 @ Amazon Canada Motherboard Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard $229.50 @ Vuugo Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory $106.99 @ Newegg Canada Storage Crucial P1 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $149.75 @ Vuugo Storage Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $75.00 Video Card Gigabyte Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB GAMING OC Video Card $569.99 @ Newegg Canada Case Cougar MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case $69.98 @ Amazon Canada Power Supply Corsair TXM Gold 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $144.99 @ Amazon Canada Monitor ViewSonic VX2758-2KP-MHD 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor $450.00 Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $2249.69 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 18:34 EDT-0400 This second list improves gaming experience, buy upping the GPU, but is very similar to earlier budget, $40 dollars more. I did take you down to 500gb NVMe, but for now that is sufficient to gain the improvements in performance. You can buy another one in 6 months. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $270.00 Motherboard MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard $169.05 @ Vuugo Memory G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $121.99 @ Newegg Canada Storage Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive $85.99 @ Newegg Canada Storage Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive $75.00 Video Card Zotac GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB GAMING AMP Video Card $992.50 @ Vuugo Case NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case $99.99 @ Memory Express Power Supply Corsair CX (2017) 650 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply $114.99 @ Amazon Canada Monitor ViewSonic VX2758-2KP-MHD 27.0" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor $450.00 Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $2379.51 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 18:44 EDT-0400

Well that list I provided, if bought in Germany, which has all those items I listed, is 1051.44 euro, which according to the currency convertor is 2057.87 BGN. As a EU member state, goods and services should flow freely so shouldn't be too much in the way of costs. I got a TV shipped to me from Germany to the UK and it wasn't small, and it cost me £8.61 (20 BGN)...and we aren't even in the EU anymore! lol

Arguments about HD aside... When I click your link, I get a different CPU and many items are not priced. I did this list which filled in the blanks, but comes $1600. Were you planning on buying the parts elsewhere which is why you put $1400 as the price? PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor $170.59 @ Amazon Motherboard ASRock B450M Pro4-F Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $163.52 @ Amazon Memory Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $67.98 @ Amazon Storage Western Digital Blue 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive $119.99 @ B&H Storage Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $81.48 @ Amazon Storage Western Digital Red 2 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $81.48 @ Amazon Video Card Palit GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB StormX Video Card $576.65 @ Amazon Case Cooler Master Silencio S600 ATX Mid Tower Case $159.99 @ Amazon Power Supply be quiet! Pure Power 11 CM 500 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply $181.54 @ Amazon Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $1603.22 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 17:11 EDT-0400

If you did, LTT did a video on a program called Parsec, it allows you to use the power of one PC to execute programs on the weaker machine essentially. Linus was editing 4k footage on an ultrabook...that is not something an ultrabook can do. So your second 1080 ti machine, could play games in the highest ultra resolutions on your TV/monitor by utilising the power of the 2080 ti/Ryzen 9 machine, far beyond what it is actually capable of doing alone. It is something I was going to try out, but had a bit of a setback with a water loop lol so just waiting to see if I can salvage the machine at all.

No worries, also, PP is not the best for prices in the UK either. I shopped around and got better deals on I would say about 30% of the components. Some it is good on, some it is not so worth looking around.

Well considering you are buying almost an entire machine, if you updated to the 2080 ti would it not assist your work - I thought that machine learning was something the RTX did? You could keep both machines. I did the same, have an old machine, sentimental it was a present, don't want to get rid of it, but bought a new one because i needed the upgrade and keeping the older one for driving games on the big TV, which are nice to sit on the sofa and play, and as a kinda media centre for movies/tv shows on the TV rather than trying to stream to it. Just a thought you are about an inch away from 2 machines anyway.

I did a part picker, as it is easier to look at. Unless there is a specific reason, not sure why 32gb of RAM anyway? I think 16gb is sufficient for gaming, I know you mention machine learning so perhaps that requires more? I agree that the MB is overkill and unnecessary, there are alternatives at better prices, not knocking the board, just saying it is a lot. £600 on plumbing is a lot but obviously you have chosen that path. The only surprise is that you are spending a LOT of money and running a 1080 ti. While it isn't a bad card, and is still up there, better than AMDs offerings, if you posted saying you were buying a 2080, which the 1080 ti is equivalent to, I would be shaving money off your build trying to get you to the 2080 ti within your budget. It is a lot of money, but frankly, change the motherboard, control the NVMe drive a little, be realistic about the power supply and reconsider your life choices in regards to waterloops and you could easily buy one without spending a penny more. PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 9 3950X 3.5 GHz 16-Core Processor £679.99 @ Amazon UK Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER ATX AM4 Motherboard £363.64 @ SmartTeck.co.uk Memory Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory £178.47 @ Scan.co.uk Storage Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive £200.98 @ Laptops Direct Case Corsair 750D ATX Full Tower Case £146.49 @ Scan.co.uk Power Supply Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply £129.98 @ Box Limited Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total £1699.55 Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-04-27 21:40 BST+0100

Standoffs are brass legs that hold the motherboard off the side of the case