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  1. Speaking of which, Gigabyte released F20e BIOS version on march 18 that supports Rocket Lake-S processors (11th gen) up to Core i9-11900K. Ookay, thats a bit over this board, but otherwise its a welcome addition. Asus B460 didnt get support. Btw Biostar X470GTA got a feb 23 X47BG223.BST BIOS that supports Zen 5000 series Ryzens now.
  2. Well he's not wrong. Also, shots fired in last november
  3. Ye, needs a bit more emphasis Gigabyte H470 HD3 Kinda looks like a Z370 HD3P with no parellel port header, but more led connectors, and a CNVi connector to give us a feel for AMR slot days. Same ITE PCI brige, better USB connectors. May or may not get 11th gen Rocket Lake-S support. B460 boards definitely wont support that.
  4. Oh dear, did they discontinue all the above listed options this fast? Oh theres plenty of that around. Techspot - So you only have PCI slots and want to game? From 2006 to 2011 the "we" crowd told the people in need that using a PCI video card is dumb, useless, and futile, so prepared to be assimilated by the AGP.. PCIe 1.0.. PCIe 2.0.. PCIe 3.0 hivemind! In that timespan the top available GPU with a conventional PCI connector went from Geforce 6200 to 7300 GT, Radeon X1300, X1550, Geforce GT 8400 GS / Radeon 2400 Pro, GT 8500, GT210, GT 8600 then GT 9500, (Radeon HD4350 and HD5450 in some parts as global distribution was not even), then finished with GT 430 and GT 520 / 610. Many of which were not mentioned there because the "we" people continually and fervently argued that theres no point to the whole thread, and _everone_ should use whatever most mainstream options were out there like any self respecting adult with a sound mind.
  5. Im fairly sure he will have a much harder time finding a driver for that Envy24 chipped ancient Delta 24/96 that finally works under Win10 (AFAIK VT1712 Envy24 vanilla had a tough time getting Vista or Win7 drivers, VT1724 HT, VT1721 HT-S versions were better supported but were different internally), than to bother to compare it with a very expensive well equipped Realtek ALC1220 or ESS Sabre board for an upgrade. As it stands overwhelming majority of motherboards(the above mentioned Asus B550 PCI board uses 887, just like my Asus P8B75-V board from 8 years ago - the insanely popular MSI B450 Tomahawk / Mortar Max boards use 892) are _still_ released with not-so-up-to-date ALC887 and ALC892 codecs(they are from the Vista era, when Realtec switched to HDA from AC97) with the bare minimum of electronics that make their functioning possible, and with mostly only analogue in and outputs provided. Direct double blind listening test comparing the ancient higher-end Delta interface with todays "standard mediocre" 892 like integrated chips would certainly be interesting, but im not so sure about the formers absolute superiority. Ye, 2012 Ivy Bridge vintage B75, and Q75 chipsets is where the fun stopped. PCI-PCIe bridges could be a solution, but only in specific cases. The in place adapter could work well enough with half height cards. The ribbon cable extender needs a totally free backplate expansion slot not blocked by the motherboard, so that means mATX/ITX board in a full ATX case, or some kind of small form factor arrangement where the case expects an expansion board riser present anyway. Some normal ATX cases do have a free backplate slot for whatever reason, so a cable version could work there too.
  6. -5 Volt line was pretty much phased out of power supplies by the time that motherboard was even introduced. Even an Asus P5A from 8 years prior with ISA slots will boot without -5V, and ISA sound cards will work, though maybe not perfectly.
  7. Oh, that looks nasty. Its cheap(x0.6 compared to B460 Plus), but im no sure it could support a Ryzen 3600X or 3700, not to mention anything Zen2+ will bring us. I think this is the only sane PCI board currently available: https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/PRIME-B460-PLUS/ Yeah its a lower middle end option as far as LGA1200 is concerned, and its almost identical to the B360 version(USB 3.0 only, no 3.1, no 3.2, and ALC887 is proper ancient at this point), but it has fair VRM section enough for a 10400, 10600, and maybe even a 10700 without catching fire. Also two M.2 slots, and a very good expansion card layout, possibly the best a combined PCIe+PCI board can have.
  8. How will that work exactly? PCI/AGP/PCIe adapters were available since, ugh, i dunno, Voodoo 5 5500 vs AGP 8x times i guess, but i havent seen one instance it wasnt used in some cryptominer type open build. ATX cases are not really built to house expansion cards that need 2-3 centimeters raised backplane mounting. In those cases that accept riser cards it may be possible to install an adapter instead of the original 90° riser, but since most are very small form factor the adapter may prove too big to fit even there. The X470GTA is a great find, and proves i cant rely on webstore filters to find needles in a haystack. PCI is getting so rare new motherbioards and expansion cards are simply not tagged and categorised properly. (not to mention used hardware ads, ppl cant differentiate between PCI, PCI 64 bit, and PCIe ?) Also its like chasing ghosts: it was available around here until at least 2019 december for 110-120 euros, but interest was so light, distributor pulled the plug on it. Some shops may or may not had leftover stock, but even the last ones got delisted few days ago.?
  9. Yeah its a fancy and expensive way to have a Z390 board with a slightly clock increased i7 8700.? But now with PCI graphics!? (tho im fairly sure a Coffe Lake GT2 IGP could beat a PCI GT610 if the Xeon had one, and nVidia stopped driver updates for Fermi cards 2 years ago so they are stuck at Intel IGP update dates, also interesting fact is both support DX12, nV backported the new Win10 DX just before the support period ended) And yes sadly after 2,5 years nothing changed in PCI land apart from the options getting even more trimmed, its a suprise Asus still sells their board. Im guessing they still sell decently because they work with newer processors while its peers might not. R5 3600 would be a nice fit (wouldnt strain the VRMs all that much), and certainly cheaper than the Intel alternative.
  10. Been searching a bit and the situation is quite dire. Looks like board makers totally canned PCI slots after B350/X370/Z370 (so after 2017 basically) and they were not enthusiastic about it even then. Not only that, but most what i mentioned went out of production and disappeared from the store shelves. Your board maybe the most up to date S1151 motherboard found in retail (supports everything from 8100 to 9900k plus some Xeon models nobody ever heard of ?, and C246 pretty much looks like a workstation version of the Z390), though im fairly sure there are some obscure OEM boards that have and possibly may get PCI at least for a short while. Word of warning, just today C246-WU4 got delisted around our parts so its possible it will disappear from other countries too, like the rest of them. On the up side i found a board that is both AM4 with Zen 2 support, and sold everywhere in Central Europe for a decent-ish price (~100 euro) the ASUS PRIME X370-A A fairly cookie cutter by X370 standards(oh dear those VRMs), and certainly meager compared to the X570 lineup(no chipset fan on it though?), but its pretty much the only board with PCI thats still available. It theoretically supports the whole Ryzen 3000 line, but at least an R5 3600 really should not pose a problem.
  11. You or the OP also dont need any excuses, certanly not excessively long ones. Reminds me of the old "So you only have PCI slot and want to game?" debate where the overexited kids just wanted people to throw out their mITX motherboards, and PCI expansion only OEM SFF rigs because PCI its useless. While they were not wrong, there was a task at hand and they all utterly failed at it. Sad because the PCI graphic card market understandably shrunk to a minimum after 2000, so it wasnt that difficult to name the best videocard available: get an Hecules Gef MX, get a VisionTek Radeon 9100, get an Inno3D Gef FX5600/FX5700SE, get a Zotac Gef 6200, get a VisionTek Radeon X1300/1550, get a Sparkle Gef 8500/9500 GT, get a Zotac Gef GT430/520/610 and thats it. Instead of that we had hundreds of posts about how these are useless, and how everyone needed to just throw out anything that was not a current 400 USD top of the line video card and a current high end motherboard.? I too was eyeing modern motherboards with PCI slots, and around 2018 the masterplan could have worked with the flavour of the month Core i5 8400, and the good bang for the buck Asrock Z370 Pro4, the Gigabyte Z370 HD3P runner up, with MSI Z370 PC PRO being an all else fails backup. Then came the very slightly cheaper Gigabyte H370 HD3P, and the Asus H370-Plus and B360-Plus boards (at that point only the Asrock Pro4 was sold) and around mid 2019 the problem solved itself because no shop around sold PCI Socket 1151 boards anymore.? So around 2018 the AMD side had the MSI B350 Tomahawk, MSI B350 Gaming Plus and the Asus PRIME-B350 PLUS that looked like the best PCI option, and some random runners up like the MSI B350 PC MATE as the if all else fails option. I was out of the loop since then, but some google-fu doesnt promise dozens of cheap B450 with PCI options for the extra cheap YD1600BBAFBOX Ryzen 5 1600->2600 processors floating around.? Yeah Creative got soooo much flak in the Vista era that they really trying since, or at least nowadays. Even the very first X-fi cards(Elite Pro and the XtremeMusic/Fatality cards) from 15 years ago have less than 6 months old updated drivers for current version of Windows 10. This also means that 8 X-fi cards could be transferred and used in a modern motherboard. ? Then most Auzentech cards, some ESI and Audotrak branded cards(Win8.1 drivers mostly work in 10), most of the Asus cards, and higher end stuff like Omega Claro Halo and Essence ST also would be much much better than anything a motherboard and the Realtek 1220 (though in reality most boards cheap out and use 892 and 885 like they are not even trying) wonder could bring to the table. And thats still barebones "better sound comes out of that hole" use cases, and not professional stuff. Since good ol Vista, the applications are dumb as bricks and dont really require anything from the sound hardware. The days of app complaining about "omg you dirty console peasant, you dont have 128 hardware 3D sound channels, how dare you click on my glorious PC icon, go back to PS3 you pleb" are far faar gone. Not like they could require anything since everyone and their dawg use onboard, use digital, or use Highest Of The Fidelities connected with platinum plated telepathy that on the hardware side are possibly simpler than AC97 chipsets from 99 that still needed to work in DOS. So yeah were here to to use PCI not bury it.
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