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I'm headed to a call with a few of my engineering coworkers -- wish me luck as I propose this AMD-based set up! I'll come back with what they have to say. There is a chance I will come back asking for an Intel variant build. Thank you all for your help thus far!!

Hey GeLi, Thank you for your commentary. I read through it all. And yup -- I am using the PSU Tier List 4.0 as a guideline!

Correct! And yep, I do! The landlord bought it because of how many roommates there are here (I live in San Francisco Bay Area), but not many are taking advantage of the full experience of MU-MIMO. I wanted to jump onto 802.11ax to take full advantage of it.

That's a very solid point @SupaKomputa ! I'll start my search for PCIE 802.11ax cards right now -- last time I checked they were all China-branded cards that offered little confidence in prolonged support.

Hey @Shahnewaz, thanks for your candid response. I understand what you mean with future proofing being a mentality that leads to over-purchasing or buyer's remorse. We don't know the future, nor will I ever claim to know it ? I'm using probabilistic thinking as a means of risk management, the risk here being monetary loss. It's not about being 100% sure of the future, it's about having a >50% assurance of how things may be like. But rather than explain this, I just use the easily understood, colloquial term -- "future proofing." I also want to shed light, that even in product development, we make note of where market movements are headed and the adoption rates of technology in order to add "future proofing" features that coincide with these market movements. I'm extrapolating this method onto my purchase. I know 802.11ax will become standard, and for the reasonable short term (<5 years) I won't have access to ethernet wiring because of my living situation. Parallel/Multi-threaded processes are being adopted across multiple enterprise software suites that I have knowledge of, an indication that although not heavily in use now, this will become more common place. This is why I like the idea of getting a 3900X. Hope this informs as to why I've been using the statement "future proofing" in my previous posts!

Okay, noted @SupaKomputa I am leaning towards the 3900X at this time though! Edit: I was concerned more about the number of power connections to my drives than the amount of power they would require to be powered on! Thank you @LienusLateTips Noted, under this information, I am inclined to move up to 3900X and not worry about selecting another CPU for a few years. Because of the tier of computer it's looking like, I am likely to move to 3600 MHz. I am definitely inclined towards the SeaSonic 650 W because of the platinum rating. I also see it has a Tier A rating in the PSU tier list! And that warranty checks off my peace of mind. TBH, the reason I'm stuck on the AORUS motherboards is because of their 802.11ax WiFi. Future proofing sounds like a good approach for me right now. Noted. Definitely going own on the power supply (SeaSonic is leading); I might go with a 3600MHz RAM w/o any RGB to save a few bucks. Quick question -- when you said It's THAT big of a difference between the two in efficiency were you talking about the Gold vs Platinum? Or something else? Also I didn't see any note of multiple rails on the product site for Corsair TXM Gold 650. Assuming that it is multiple rails -- would you favor the Corsair over the SeaSonic in reliability? Again, SeaSonic is winning in my book because of the Platinum rating right now. Hey @Shahnewaz Originally, I had downgraded the component thinking that "do I really need it?" but now that I've changed my approach to "future proofing" at a cost, I am back on the 3900X. As noted above in this message -- the reason I'm considering that motherboard is because of the 802.11ax compatibility -- again, under the mentality of future proofing. The other motherboards presented in the thread are good, but lack this feature. The image below indicates what i'm looking at and I'm using this forum thread in my selection process: @Shahnewaz I'm definitely considering that RAM! If I were to go with the RGB in my linked RAM I'd probably go with the AORUS motherboard that also has RGB >_> Thoughts?

Hey @GeLi, thank you for your reply! I was thinking 3800X as a "compromise" between 3700X and 3900X. But if it were between just the 3700X/3900X, I will most likely move to 3900X. Copy on the 3600 MHz being the sweet spot. A question I've run into in my search is if I should be looking for a specific timing ? My original option (Link) is 160 USD, but I don't need the RGB. But the timing is 16-19-19-39 The alternatives I'm considering (Link1 @ 125 USD, Link2 @ 125 USD) are both 19-20-20-40 Which is more suitable for the 3900X? Will it be detrimental if I choose the non-optimal one? I kept with my GTX 760 for about 4 years, telling myself that I would SLI those before I would upgrade the GPU ? that never happened and I got a 2080. I think I'll probably just continue using the 2080 until its death or until a more reasonable option exists in the future. So I guess I don't really need the 850W 80 PLUS Gold I'll dive into the lower wattage rating PSU's that are rated Gold or Higher. I do have many storage units (3 SSD + 1 HDD), and I see that the 850W PSU's have more connectors for SATA. In the same way that I have a 500 GB SSD for boot-up and other SSDs for storage, I anticipate I will use an M.2 for boot up in the future and move this current boot up SSD to a storage-oriented SSD. I guess the other 2 M.2 is for peace of mind, not really needs, so I can cross those off. Based on your feedback, I'm thinking of choosing an alternate MoBo and PSU -- so long as the PSU I choose doesn't limit the number of SSD/HDD's and Disc-Drive I use. This will free up some dollars for the 3900X. Thank you!

Hi All, thank you all for your feedback, and especially to those who are keeping on with this thread. I really, really appreciate it. I spent quite a bit of time last night looking through all the research points, and I'm narrowing it down to this: PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU AMD Ryzen 7 3800X 3.9 GHz 8-Core Processor $338.99 @ Amazon Motherboard Gigabyte X570 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX AM4 Motherboard $229.99 @ Amazon Memory G.Skill Trident Z Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory $159.99 @ Newegg Power Supply Corsair RMx (2018) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply $129.99 @ Best Buy Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $858.96 Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-27 12:21 EST-0500 Notes to be aware of: I'm self-imposing a 1000 dollar cap on this because it's my own money, not the company's ? Otherwise I'd buy top of the line! Reliability and Cost-Sensitivity are factors guiding my decision. The major questions here are: Am I shooting myself in the foot by saving some money (~57.56%) and going with a 3800X rather than a 3900X at this time? I don't know much about how much AMD CPUs depreciate over time. I chose DDR4-3600 Memory because a few videos and articles emphasized Ryzen's dependency on RAM speed. Is this overkill? Not enough? -- do I really need to look at 3666 or 3733 MHz? I went with Corsair 850W 80+ Gold because of Corsair's 10 YR Warranty and because 850W affords me some overhead should I add other parts down the line ( M.2 or upgrade the 3800X at a later point). Thoughts? Do I really need dual lanes? I went with X570 AORUS PRO WIFI because: 1) It was the cheapest of the AORUS Line that included WIFI and 2 M.2 Slots. I am currently debating AORUS PRO ULTRA because of it has one additional M.2 Slot, but I don't know if this merits a cost increase of ~17.39%. Thoughts? Should I downgrade any of these selections in order to choose the 3900X? i.e. get the 3200 MHz DDR4, go with a 650W Power Supply, etc to make up for the added cost of the 3900X? Now for replies: @LienusLateTips I definitely care more about real-world performance; despite being in the consumer electronics field, I do not obsess over marginal gains/differences. It's because of this that I was leading towards the 3800X instead of the 3900X . The cost is significant but there are diminishing returns from what I saw. I also fear that paying 500+ USD for the 3900X will hurt my wallet in a year or two if the price goes down. Oh my ?y'all must really love this stuff to create that list!! It was super useful and contained a lot of details, I really appreciate it. I am leaning towards the RMx850 because of its overhead. I am considering the 80+ Platinum if it affords me some power bill cost. It's getting rough here in the SF Bay Area. Thanks @SupaKomputa, a lot of your points were conclusions I reached last night by doing quite a bit of research; except for this quoted point. Knowing that I may be able to upgrade the CPU without having this trickle-down effect on all the other parts is extremely enticing. I would like to know what you think about the fact that I'm considering 3800X over the 3900X to save ~200 USD? Or any of the other questions noted above for that matter. Thanks again all!!

Before I continue, just a reminder that I truly appreciate all replies so far, thank you!!! Also, this is a personal desktop computer that I use when I work from home. My workstation laptop (Budget ~$5.5k) is going to be my primary workstation. I will likely be asking about this sometime next week once I figure out this unexpected conundrum ? Thanks @LienusLateTips your commentary made me look deeper into Creo's handling of multithreading. It seems that some of their most laggy aspects, such as "Rebuild," which is a similar process across MCAD, is still largely single-threaded. The silver lining is that the program I use the most - PTC Creo - is starting to work on how to implement multi-threading in other processes of the workflow. I guess ultimately, if the CPU has better single-threading than my current i5-4690 (which I suspect any of the recommendations here that will be the case), I'll be headed in a good direction. Added to my research: > 9700K, 9900KS > Z390 motherboards, Dive Deeper on Aorus Pro Thank you @Jumballi , Added to my research: > R7-3700X, i7-9700K > B450 Motherboard > 3600 MHz DDR4 Speed Note: GPU will remain GTX 2080 Black Thank you @Shahnewaz, I have made note of your entire reply. I quote the last comment because that's something I'm curious about -- Knowing that AMD is better adapted for future development in software, is there a current AMD CPU that will have comparable single-threaded performance such that it will service as my transitionary piece of hardware? I know you said that the delta in single-thread performance is almost nil -- but knowing a % (or data in general) will always win me over lol. I'll do some research on this front. Added to my research: > https://pcpartpicker.com/list/n7YmL2 >> And all parts therein Thank you @SupaKomputa, I do agree that business development by AMD is on the trajectory for eclipsing in offerings, unless Intel pulls something out of their sleeve. My software options, which can be encompassed under the umbrella of "MCAD," are predominantly single-threaded. One of my programs though has a running log of improvements and explorations on how multithreading is being explored, so this is exciting. I have added your list to my research list! Thanks again @LienusLateTips, I'll look more into the G3 thing. Being more of a conservative consumer, I will likely steer away from G3 PSU if there's that risk. I have also added the two links to my research. I've made note of the commentary too! > https://pcpartpicker.com/list/wgFbp8 > https://pcpartpicker.com/list/XrqPf9 To all so far: You all are presenting some good offerings for AMD, so I am considering AMD seriously. The big question I have right now given that I may go AMD -- is there an AMD CPU of which its single-threading performance is comparable to that of an Intel CPU, such that it would "future proof" me per se, for when multi-threading features on MCAD becomes typical? I.e. have my cake and eat it too ?

@Jumballi, @LienusLateTips, @SupaKomputa Okay, in hopes of steering this thread away from Intel vs AMD (I have opinions, but not strong enough to guide my decision): If I were to go with an AMD system, what would be your suggestions for the 4 components I'm looking for? I'm more than happy to take them into consideration. Edit: I'm headed to dinner. I will be back immediately afterwards. As mentioned in original post -- this is a time sensitive thing for me, so I'll do what I can to help reach a decision!

I understand, and the number of threads is something that captivates me about AMD. However, my 3D CAD (PTC Creo and Solidworks) software doesn't really take advantage of multithreading, and thus far, I've been informed by more senior engineers that single-thread performance is a leading metric in choosing a CPU. I guess I could research more on this to determine if they are in fact right or outdated. But that is what I've been told.

Thank you for the replies @Fasauceome, @Shahnewaz, @Jumballi, @LienusLateTips, @SupaKomputa Regarding workload: I work in product development (consumer electronics actually), so I 3D Model in parametric environments (as opposed to NURBS based modeling). I've worked on projects that are 100's of parts. It is 3D Modeling, followed by 3D Rendering, followed by 3D Physics Simulations which I do when not using the computer for gaming (overnight) Regarding AMD vs Intel: I am intrigued by the recent videos showcasing AMD's gap-closing improvements (did I mention I've watched way too much LTT today in hopes of finding a metric? lol) It comes down to the fear of the unknown for me -- everything I've done until now has been Intel I do not want to risk losing access to software and/or hardware peripherals (3D Mice, for example) <- Might be an unfounded fear I read about how most developers/programmers work with Intel in mind, so AMD often has to appropriate their products to work under this paradigm. Because of this, I don't want to lose efficiency by means of choosing an up-and-coming platform such as AMD. I say up-and-coming because given the recent history, it is clear to me that AMD may well catch up if not lead thereby biasing future development. However, in the engineering world, things move slowwww. Performance impact by means of bottlenecking in a system using Nvidia 2080 + AMD. Which brings me to this last point -- my coworkers have advised immensely against me going onto AMD. Not sure for their reasoning. Hope this brings color to the situation.

Hello! TL;DR: I need help choosing a CAD-friendly (Creo, Keyshot, Solidworks) CPU, DDR4 RAM; a reliable but efficient PSU, and a WIFI 802.11 ac or 802.11 ax enabled 1151 Motherboard. The sum of these components cannot exceed $1000 USD, but lower is better (it's all about value efficiency, babyyy). It is a time sensitive request because of work If you don't have time to help (it's ok, I understand), I would appreciate if you could let me know which LTT videos have the SPECworkstation figures so I can search for this and use it in my search. Happy Holidays to all! This year's Christmas came with a great present -- the bricking of my desktop computer! ?It now powers on, turns its fans on, then power cycles right before POST. After one self-triggered power cycle, it will POST, only to power cycle immediately afterwards. It never reaches the Windows loading screen. I can't determine if it's a PSU or MoBo issue \(o.0)/ I believe the failure mode is one of these components: GIGABYTE GA-Z97X-SLI LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (Link) Thermaltake TR2 700W (Link) Sooooo in lieu of figuring it out since I have to work on Monday -- I decided to upgrade my system. I would really appreciate any feedback because my upgrade is on a time-sensitive timeline since it doubles as a work computer ??? Which brings me to my thoughts on what factors I'm considering in my decision: I use Creo 5.0, Solidworks, Keyshot, Python, MATLAB, etc. I work in a heavily CAD and Programming environment. I do play quite a few video games (most intensive being BF5), but I figure that a computer that can handle my CAD will be able to handle my gaming. I have been going through all the LTT videos where they might show the SPECworkstation benchmark for Product Development, but I've gone through too many and I've only seen this metric once ? The only other "requirement" I'm looking for is for the Motherboard to have 802.11 ac WIFI onboard to avoid buying more dongles. Here's what I currently own and do not want to upgrade: PCPartPicker Part List Type Item Price CPU Cooler Cooler Master Hyper 212 LED 66.3 CFM Rifle Bearing CPU Cooler Purchased For $0.00 Storage Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $0.00 Storage Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive Purchased For $0.00 Storage Samsung 860 Evo 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive $109.99 @ Adorama Storage Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive Purchased For $0.00 Video Card EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB Black Video Card Purchased For $0.00 Case Thermaltake New Soprano Snow Edition ATX Mid Tower Case Purchased For $0.00 Optical Drive Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer Purchased For $0.00 Operating System Microsoft Windows 10 Pro OEM 64-bit $139.99 @ Other World Computing Monitor Dell U2415 24.1" 1920x1200 60 Hz Monitor Purchased For $0.00 Monitor Dell U2415 24.1" 1920x1200 60 Hz Monitor Purchased For $0.00 Monitor Dell U2415 24.1" 1920x1200 60 Hz Monitor Purchased For $0.00 Monitor Dell U2415 24.1" 1920x1200 60 Hz Monitor Purchased For $0.00 Keyboard Logitech CRAFT Wireless Standard Keyboard Purchased For $0.00 Mouse Redragon Mammoth Wired Laser Mouse Purchased For $0.00 Speakers Logitech S120 2.3 W 2.0 Channel Speakers Purchased For $0.00 External Storage Toshiba Canvio Basics 3.0 2 TB External Hard Drive Purchased For $0.00 External Storage Toshiba Canvio Basics 1 TB External Hard Drive Purchased For $0.00 Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts Total $249.98 Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-26 19:57 EST-0500 And since upgrading from 1150 to 1151, it means I'll have to get DDR4, and I'm ultimately looking for help in choosing: Power Supply I care about efficiency so that it doesn't drain electricity when it doesn't have to. ≥Gold preferred Motherboard, 1151, Intel, DDR4 I was entertaining the idea of GIGABYTE Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI LGA 1151 (300 Series) Intel Z390 because of the onboard WiFi CPU This is where Creo 5.0, Solidworks, Keyshot (CAD Modeling, Simulation, and Rendering) comes into play -- I can't decide what to go with!! DDR4 RAM I currently use 32 GB DDR3 using these: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) My software is RAM-starving all the time. To give you an idea, my coworker uses 128 GB DDR4. I do not have to use this much, as my workload doesn't require it. I hope to keep this under 1000 USD, but i'm willing to bend the rules if I have to for a more-than-marginal improvement. If you don't have time to help (it's ok, I understand), I would appreciate if you could let me know which LTT videos have the SPECworkstation figures so I can search for this and use it in my search. Please and thank you!!! P.S. I will soon be getting a new workstation laptop for work, so I might will post another thread like this. Please let me know if I'm posting in the wrong forum!! Thank you!