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Does this topic takes anti-suggestions? A Canadian computer company basically had me loose a job, my savings and more.
 
There is a company calling themselves "Canadian computer 'developers' " who basically just sell clevo designs, and nowadays makes you pay extra for unlocked BIOSes.
 
I won't name them until I get the "greenlight" it's okay to speak of anti-suggestions, but here it is, spoiled to avoid "visual spam" if anti-suggestions aren't okay:
Edit: TLDR:
A Canadian based computer company sold me a non-working computer for ~6,000 USD on paper total, that I tried to RMA at my expenses despite them trying to ghost me during warranty, that still didn't worked, and then intentionally have been ghosting me since.

Does this topic takes anti-suggestions? A Canadian computer company basically had me loose a job, my savings and more.
 
There is a company calling themselves "Canadian computer 'developers' " who basically just sell clevo designs, and nowadays makes you pay extra for unlocked BIOSes.
 
I won't name them until I get the "greenlight" it's okay to speak of anti-suggestions, but here it is, spoiled to avoid "visual spam" if anti-suggestions aren't okay:
Edit: TLDR:
A Canadian based computer company sold me a non-working computer for ~6,000 USD on paper total, that I tried to RMA at my expenses despite them trying to ghost me during warranty, that still didn't worked, and then intentionally have been ghosting me since.

Well it does sound like you RAM is flipping you the bird.

Also, I don't think performance is that important over shear stability.
 
See if the issue is still there at lower RAM speed with a memtest64, but trying out with an other RAM kit to check if the BSOD issue is still there would be the better way to go... EVEN if you have to try it with a low speed DDR4 kit.
 
I'ld defo trade few fps for just not crashing in the middle of something, and I hope you realize you would too.
 

Monolith, da stealth box.
 
Compute part:
CPU: Ryzen 3900X
MB: Asus X570 ACE pro
RAM: 4x 16GB 3600mhz CAS 16 GSKILL neo
GPU: XFX 5700XT THICC III
 
PSU: Seasonic FOCUS PX-750  80PLUS
Cablemod set for GPU, ATX and CPU power, with a 24-pin right angle connector and 2x U-turns 8-pins.

Storage:
     - 1TB Corsair MP600 NVME m.2 PCIe gen 4*
     - 2TB Seagate Compute Sata 2.5" SSD*
   *(internal SSDs are only used for softwares and renders)
     - 10gbps SFP+ link to my unraid array (with SSD cache) through a SolarFlare SFN5122f cards
 
Cooling:
3x NF-R8 redux
2x NF-A12x25
1x canibalized Eisbaer 120mm AIO
1x Alphacool NexXxoS UT60
A bunch of 45° and 90° alphacool fittings
Flow pattern: CPU to back exhaust rad, then front intake rad, as to spit the very hot air directly at the back and have fresh or (worse case scenario) tepid air in.
 
Project: I do plan on printing a nylon or PETG casing as to separate the GPU side and the CPU side, as the GPU spits warmth from its side, I would prefer the intake fan to push all that to the back grill instead of having it go over to the CPU side, as it tend to somehow stagnate a bit in it (these R8 redux fans are not great at sucking air through that thick rad. I might also print a TPU gasket as to make a seal between the fans and the rad.
 
Front IO, drive mounting and additional intake:
1x Evercool HD-AR-ARMOR (replaced fan)
1x Icy Dock MB082SP (in the HD AR ARMOR, to mount the 2TB SSD)
1x SilverStone SST-FP510 for front USB3.1 + hotswap 2.5bay + hotswap 3.5bay
 
Case: 4U 4088-S
Side note: notice on this link how the support plate is supposed to bend inward for PCI support, and where the 3.5drive cages are. No, it wouldn't have worked with my GPU or cooling solution.
 


 
Yes, a dremel was involved. Some gentle hammering of the dual 80mm rad too.
 
No I have no shame.
 
Don't ever tell me it won't fit.
 

Monolith, da stealth box.
 
Compute part:
CPU: Ryzen 3900X
MB: Asus X570 ACE pro
RAM: 4x 16GB 3600mhz CAS 16 GSKILL neo
GPU: XFX 5700XT THICC III
 
PSU: Seasonic FOCUS PX-750  80PLUS
Cablemod set for GPU, ATX and CPU power, with a 24-pin right angle connector and 2x U-turns 8-pins.

Storage:
     - 1TB Corsair MP600 NVME m.2 PCIe gen 4*
     - 2TB Seagate Compute Sata 2.5" SSD*
   *(internal SSDs are only used for softwares and renders)
     - 10gbps SFP+ link to my unraid array (with SSD cache) through a SolarFlare SFN5122f cards
 
Cooling:
3x NF-R8 redux
2x NF-A12x25
1x canibalized Eisbaer 120mm AIO
1x Alphacool NexXxoS UT60
A bunch of 45° and 90° alphacool fittings
Flow pattern: CPU to back exhaust rad, then front intake rad, as to spit the very hot air directly at the back and have fresh or (worse case scenario) tepid air in.
 
Project: I do plan on printing a nylon or PETG casing as to separate the GPU side and the CPU side, as the GPU spits warmth from its side, I would prefer the intake fan to push all that to the back grill instead of having it go over to the CPU side, as it tend to somehow stagnate a bit in it (these R8 redux fans are not great at sucking air through that thick rad. I might also print a TPU gasket as to make a seal between the fans and the rad.
 
Front IO, drive mounting and additional intake:
1x Evercool HD-AR-ARMOR (replaced fan)
1x Icy Dock MB082SP (in the HD AR ARMOR, to mount the 2TB SSD)
1x SilverStone SST-FP510 for front USB3.1 + hotswap 2.5bay + hotswap 3.5bay
 
Case: 4U 4088-S
Side note: notice on this link how the support plate is supposed to bend inward for PCI support, and where the 3.5drive cages are. No, it wouldn't have worked with my GPU or cooling solution.
 


 
Yes, a dremel was involved. Some gentle hammering of the dual 80mm rad too.
 
No I have no shame.
 
Don't ever tell me it won't fit.
 

Update as promised!
 
I finally built it. I'm still waiting on some silicone based lubricant to defo seal some fittings that I'm not that trusting of because of slight deformation around the threaded holes....
Yeah. I had an issue with the dual 80mm radiator, a 1- 1.5mm tolerance issue up top against the PSU and bottom to the GPU... and let's say ain't nobody telling me "can't touch this", and I went hammer time on it, and "made it fit". 
Also had to make dirty dremel "edits" to the PSU mounting bracket to have a little more give.
 
What I was working with:
- Alphacool eisbarr 120mm AIO kit.
- Alphacool NexXxos UT60 80mm dual radiator
- A bunch of fittings
- case: IPC 4088 with dremelled back support to leave room for GPU width, and drive cages un-riveted from the front lower support for GPU length and radiator mount.
 
I used a garbagio 15years old computer to make basic leak tests before putting the thing inside my main computer:
Artificially put some heat to it with an heatgun to the 120mm rad to check eventual pressure related leakage, then installed it in the computer, and damn I love the look of it:
with supports out: 
with supports back in:
 
 
The 90° angle 24pin connector doodad and the two 180° angle 8 pins are really making my life easier, but I'm still waiting on my cablemod order to be shipped to really have it all neatly packed.
 The two front fans are NF A12x25, and the back ones are NF R8 redux.
 
Temps are WAY better than what that shitty bequiet cooler would achieve (it wasn't making much difference comparred to the stock cooler) and at stock speeds, no ajustements or anything, I went up by 200cb on Cinebench R20, and it never went above 75°C on spike, while I saw a 101°C spike once on the bequiet with its stock thermal paste application.
 
 
Thermal paste used: TG Kryonaut.

@NelizMastr Oh I know.
 
PSUs are a bit like ram sticks. There are some odd balls made by some bonkers, but it's mostly plop in and rock, just like RAM...
 
EXCEPT=> RAM won't usually catch fire if something goes wrong. 
 
But Indeed, if OP catch a PSU "module" with the same size and connector as the 4 he already has, there is a decent chance it will just work.
 
But even if they replace all 4 of the PSUs, the enclosure itself, for load-balancing, has some components onboard, it's not just wiring.
 
Are the actual PSUs and enclosure closer in quality to what you find on servermonkey, or closer to what you find on Wish, can't tell. They may replace the four PSUs by brand name compatible one, the enclosure is still a mystery.
 
 
My call to OP would still be "take reduced risk at reduced cost".
 
> check Volt/Amps of the PSU, to check that, though it doesn't smoke, that it's not somehow already on weed.
 
> run an old discardable config in it, check in your circle of friends if someone has an old config to try this one (good fun could be a pair of Fermi cards with a buldozer Cpu, THAT would be a great test) / OR run the old hardware that was in it previously, with like a CPU stress test and adding a powerhungry old-gen GPU to maximize the load.
 
> you may now run your new config with half-peace of mind. 
 
 
Going for refurb stuff is always a higher risk of something going wrong, cause eh, old stuff, but don't buy refurb for a pretty penny (because 850AU$ is a pretty penny for 2006 hardware, especially if you only keep enclosure and PSU, and ditch the rest) if it's for then not even using it fully, and jankensteining an ATX PSU onto it.
 
It's defeating the very purpose of what you paid for, else you could have gone shopping for an ikea shelf to screw 5.25bay 3.5hotswap docks into, and hot gluing a cheapo tower case at the back of it. That's jank, but actually no waste.
 
 
If you can't get to trust what you buy, a safer call would have been a 4u 16bays iStarUSA-M-4160-ATX (for SATA/SAS), or a Silverstone 3U 16bay RM316 (for SAS) enclosure, that are made to take consumer gear in, like bog standard ATX PSUs.
It's not off by many in bay/$ , but you would actually use it fully.
 
Yes, you would loose the pleasure of playing around with old stuff, and on that, I totally feel ya.
I defo love my old janky servers. But I do actually run them full tilt. I use them, make them worth every penny I paid for them (and it wasn't much for most).
 
But it's like if you bought a corsair 1000D uber-giant case, and slapped an AM3 ITX motherboard in it, a nvidia 210GT, with a diablotek PSU ploped on top on the PSU shroud.

@NelizMastrFrom what I understood, it's a pretty proprietary and pretty untraceable piece of hardware, and since it's embedded in the enclosure, and since the enclosure is basically why he bought the damn thing in the first place... that kinda sounds like a thin slice of chance to work.

Then a good quality paste application could be the answer.
 
You should keep something in mind though: a lot of consumer grade laptops out there are basically "designed" to reach stupid temps and throttle down, as they where intended for office/multimedia use, not for gaming/ continuous load, and as such this throttling issue would only show itself during windows updates/ program installs/ compressing files.
 
So, yes, a fresh paste application is you go-to potential solution, but even with the best paste application, it's also possible you still have the same issue afterward... just 10-15 in instead of 5-10 minutes in your gaming session.

The lack of air intake doesn't mean it shouldn't get a fan+fin clean.
 
Also, I would say that in most cases, thermal paste in laptops start turning into dry concrete around the 2-3 years mark. Sometimes less in sub-par end laptops, in which I admit I would place the x552L.
And given it was sold from what I found with windows 8, it's way past the 3 year mark.

The lack of air intake doesn't mean it shouldn't get a fan+fin clean.
 
Also, I would say that in most cases, thermal paste in laptops start turning into dry concrete around the 2-3 years mark. Sometimes less in sub-par end laptops, in which I admit I would place the x552L.
And given it was sold from what I found with windows 8, it's way past the 3 year mark.

Sorry for the confusion, I wasn't speaking there of the backplane in which you ram the drives, but the one in which you ram the 4 PSUs
 
Also, yes, the voltages, amps and connectors are the same, so yes, a ryzen build would run in it -- assuming the quad PSU is still in good shape, and at least have stable voltages on all its rails.

In fact, I did thought of the 5500XT over the RX580 8GB
There isn't a big performance gap between the two from what benchmarks I saw, but in efficiency, there is!
If you don't have a beefy PSU, the 5500XT won't make it break a sweat compared to the power hungry RX580.
I was just thinking too much about a "generation accurate" GPU that made sense with the R7 1700

@Bombastinator Well no, it won't rotate. Actually, I only personally looked at the cooler on merchant website, but if I had looked at pcpartpicker myself, I could have caught that pic that would have warned me:
 
 
And no, sadly, the merchant I bought it from (because it was cheaper) is also well known to be a birch that don't take returns but to your own shipment costs and after months of battle. I'm fine loosing 30 bucks on NOT having them on the phone a second time in my life.
 
And don't take the blame for it. It was a good advice with a mistake in it, but I'm the buyer who bought something without knowing everything about it. I pressed the order button, not you
 
Sadly, it doesn't even live up to the expectations one could have for a product from be Quiet. The fin density feels "off", like if it missed a quarter to feel like it would cool something effectively. The fan? Silent, yes, almost. Does it moves any air? My 80mm case fans @ 40% move more air than this one at 100% while being TRULY silent.
 
Worse, it only performs "sensibly" better than the stock cooler, and by that I mean it's close to a margin of error. 3°C less, for +50mhz on an all core load. Still at a toastie 95C° though. Though, given its orientation, I'm not surprised.
 
 
 
As for the Atlas Alpenfoehn, I ended up ordering it despite tight budget, upon witnessing the horror of the Pure Rock (not the stress test, just after realizing that I couldn't turn it 90° after realizing I mounted it vertically).
And I double checked. The Atlas with AM4 mounting kit for it the doesn't utilize stock AMD mounting system, and double-triple checking which way everything screws in, it <<SHOULD>> be <<FINE>>.
 
So far, here is my comparison between the stock cooler and the be Quiet Pure Rock Slim, both with stock thermal pastes.
The rock over the stock, roughly -10db @ full speed, +2-3% cooling capability, but price:performance? Stick with stock and keep your stack.
 
The Atlas Alpenfoehn is estimated to arrive between the 30dec and 5jan.

I don't see any sockets listed on the cooler website but the installation manual does mention AM4. https://www.alpenfoehn.de/images/Produkte/Installationsanleitungen/Atlas/Installationquide_Atlas.pdf

PC partpicker is awesome when it comes to tracking prices quickly and shaping out functioning configs quickly, but is far from perfect indeed.
 
On multiple occasion I pointed out on friend's builds that they lacked the correct amount of EPS/PCI on their PSUs, and other such oddities.
Most CPU coolers don't have their motherboard-ram clearance set, and really too often don't have their freakin height set, which is, after the socket I think the most important info.
Cases suffer from lack of dimension information too.
 
Gotta love firing up manufacturer's websites, auto cad, and 3D-test-fitting everything by hand.

Found it there on their website, seems like only the german page works, but I have the basics to get what it says:
https://www.alpenfoehn.de/index.php/en/products/cpu-cooler/10-cpu-kuehler/206-ben-nevis-deutsch
And here is the mounting kit page, in german also:
https://www.alpenfoehn.de/en/2-uncategorised/292-upgradekit-olymp-atlas-matterhorn
 
As for where I found both available: Amazon.