1 minute ago, APasz said:

As Shrimp has said, Intel is more forgiving compared to AMD. Should work just fine.

Will always recommend getting a single kit of amount needed but that's not always possible.

15 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

I cannot promise 4 sticks will do X speed. Running 4 sticks also makes tougher to run higher frequencies on Ryzen memory controller while Intel's is a little more forgiving, even then may not like higher frequency.

 

There is always give and take. 

 

thanks for the help!

Just now, APasz said:

Apart from the AMD specific concerns.

Generally if the kits are brought together it's extremely likely they are apart of, or close to the same batch. Thus highly compatible.

So i wouldn't run into any issues if i used intel with two of these 2x8? kits correct?

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

2 x 8 GB sticks, the one you've picked are good memory modules 3600mhz CL14. They'd likely do 3800/4000mhz CL16 on an Intel IMC no problem 1.35-1.40v.

okay nice but will i be able to run two of these kits? so i get 32gb ram? or should i go for the 4x8 kit?

3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

That's the thing. There is not a lot of RAM that "supports" Ryzen processors. And usually when I see them actually advertised as such, they have very poor timings or I'm just coming across cheaply priced AMD supported memory.

 

The widely tested sweet spot for Ryzen processors is 3600mhz 16-16-16, those sticks will easily run those timings if the 14-15-15 isn't stable or won't post. 

 

 

So if i use 2x of these 2x8gb ram kits so i get 4x8gb ram would that cause any issues? or do i have to buy a 4x8 kit?

I guess they would work perfect on a intel rig like you said?

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

lol, I've done that too!! My stupid phone......

 

Any how

 

IMC is Integrated Memory Controller.  - 

It's a good kit. Likely Samsung B-Die modules. They would shine on an Intel rig for sure.

 

How do i know if my IMC supports them`?

5 minutes ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

why not just buy a 32gb kit with 4 of them that were already tested together?

hard to find in sweden only one store has them (dustin home) that's why i'm wondering if this would work

Edit: i could buy from that store but i rather not, that is if there will be any issues with the 2x sets

1 minute ago, ShrimpBrime said:

That depends on how the IMC like them!

 

Why are we yelling????

IMC?

i copy pasted the ram name and the text looked big so i just made everything else big 

If i bought two of these:

G.Skill 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 3600MHz CL14 Trident Z Neo

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1562839044/F4-3600C14D-16GTZNTrident-Z-NeoDDR4-3600MHz-CL14-15-15-35-1.40V16GB-(2x8GB)

Would i run into any issues with compatibility? or am i fine?

1 minute ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

The cards with 3 8-pin PCI-E power input connectors have much higher max TDP than cards with only 2, plus the companies who make them are binning the GPUs they receive from Nvidia and only putting the very best ones onto those graphics cards. 

Card cooling being equal, the Kingpin (or I'm sure Galax HOF as well) will maintain higher clocks overall than any of the 2 PCI-E power connector cards simply because it won't hit power limit as quickly. Nvidia limits how much power can be drawn per connector, so all the normal cards will end up running into the same power wall. EVGA and Galax get around this by adding a 3rd connector.

That Gigabyte card you linked is a normal 2-pin card.

Alright so kingpin is the best one, got it.

1 hour ago, xg32 said:

hardware unboxed recently did a video that confirmed that 4 sticks of memory is alot faster than 2 sticks, way more than overclocking your cpu by 2-4%, so just get the 9900ks from silicon lottery, 4 sticks of that cl14 3600 ram, single 2080 ti kingpin, and call it, if you have no budget no point waiting.

 

I'm still waiting for the 3950x with that ram...lol

 

 

1 hour ago, Kalm_Traveler1 said:

anywho OP - to answer your question...

 

Since the majority of games do not work with SLI, I would suggest buying an EVGA Kingpin 2080 Ti or the Galax HOF 2080 Ti (the one with 3 8-pin PCI-E power connectors) as they will outperform a Titan RTX for max gaming FPS.

 

If you really want to max it out, full custom water cooling with at least a 360mm radiator for each CPU and graphics card (so 2x 360mm or larger radiators) and to incorporate the Kingpin card you'll need to put a full cover water block on it (it comes as a hybrid card with a VRM fan and a 240mm AIO attached for the GPU/memory) which right now can only be had with a Bykski block since EVGA only made a handful of their Hydro Copper blocks for the KP card and they all sold out last summer.

 

You could, of course, wait for the 30-series cards later this summer if you want even more FPS.

Isn't this the best 2080 ti? someone told me it is, is kingpin really better?

I was planning to get the 2080 ti asus matrix ( but for some reason my order got cancelled and they removed the store )

https://www.gigabyte.com/se/Graphics-Card/GV-N208TAORUSX-W-11GC#kf

also thanks for all the information!

2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Might want to wait until April for both nVidia's and Intel's new releases... the i9 10900K and RTX 3080 Ti sounds more like the overkill PC you want to put together.

 

That said, memory wise? something like: https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/326/1562839044/F4-3600C14D-16GTZN-Specification

 

3600mhz CL14 XMP profile means the chip in there is binned as hell and with such tight timings you'll have the best performance possible.

yeah i was thinking of that one too

1 minute ago, Den-Fi said:

The amount of time you're spending flip-flopping back and forth between hardware is hardly worth the performance difference you'll see between any of it lol. Just pick something and build it already. You've gotten so many replies that at this point I don't think you'll ever be able to pick.

Just trying to see the best builds for intel and amd would look like and choose from that.

i was thinking of doing 3950x amd ryzen but now it seems like i can get my hands on a 5.3 ghz i9 9900ks all core so my build is going to have to change

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

NV-Link titan RTX obviously, why settle for less?

this is true it's either go for that or wait for the 3080 ti

or go for a 2080 ti and wait for 3080 ti

What's the best ram for a silicon lottery 5.3ghz i9 9900ks all core cpu? (there is no budget) to achieve the highest possible in gaming, 1080p, lowest settings in games. ( to reach that 240fps with a 240hz monitor )

not sure if i should use a single titan rtx or 2080 ti sli-nvlink

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

That depends on the DRAM itself and the memory controller of your CPU since its overclocking.

 

But yes, it is possible to do so. It will also likely be easier to get 3600 CL16 to CL14 than getting 3200MHz CL14 to 3600 CL16.

Okay thanks a bunch for taking your time to help me out!

I'll go with the 3600mhz 16cl 64gb and see if i can tune it down to 3600mhz 14cl 64gb.

41 minutes ago, WereCat said:

yes

3600CL 14 will perform better than 4000CL16 because you cant keep the clocks of IF the same as RAM speed so there will be extra latency

oh i just saw this edit

one last question is it possible for the 3600mhz 16cl 64gb to get tuned down to 3600mhz 14cl 64gb?

or should i just go for the 3200mhz 14cl and get it to 3600mhz 14cl?

18 minutes ago, WereCat said:

its getting messy and I was playing PUBG so sorry for short answers

 

As long as you can keep the clocks of infinity fabric (FCLK) synced with the DRAM speed, the higher clocked DRAM will always outperform the lower clocked one assuming that the timings are not absolutely terrible, which in your case, they aren't.

So 3200MHz CL14 will be slower than 3600MHz CL14 or CL16.

 

The FCLK is prety much guaranteed to get to 1800MHz which matches the 3600MHz DRAM (Because DDR = Double Data Rate so 1800x2=3600, just so you understand why 1800MHz).

 

The FCLK can on some CPUs be overclocked even up to 1900MHz which would match a 3800MHz RAM and there it would be still better to go 3800MHz CL16 over 3600MHz CL16 for example but you must be quite lucky to get a CPU that is able to clock its FCLK up to 1900MHz or higher, for that reason its not recommended to spend more money on DRAM thats faster than 3600MHz and therefore if you find out that your CPU can actually clock its FCLK higher than 1800MHz, you should just tune (overclock) the DRAM you already have to match its speed.

 

I hope that answers it.

 

 

Whether you buy 3200MHz DRAM or 3800MHz DRAM, you can always go to BIOS and try to tinker with the speed and timings yourself, but be aware that its very time consuming and you will have to test your PC for many, many hours while you will be prety much unable to use it if you want to be sure that your DRAM OC is stable and its not corrupting your data.

 

I went the OC way and got a cheap kit of 64GB 3200MHz CL16 DRAM and then spent days overclocking it and testing to 3600MHz CL14 and 3733MHz CL16. If you want to do that, go ahead. Just be aware that it can take a lot of time.

If you just want to use the DRAM Calculator, I had quite good experience with it as long as I used the recommended settings as with the faster ones, I found some instabilities. There you can save quite a bit time, but I would still recommend you to use bootable USB with Memtest86 to test for stability (at least 4 full passes which may take upwards of 12h to finish with 64GB of DRAM, there must be 0 errors).

I think i'll just go with the 3600mhz 16cl, 64gb and see what i can do to lower the timings/latency and maybe even up the speed to 3733-3800 ( it all depends on what fps/stability i'll get in benchmarks )

Short answer the (3600mhz 16cl 64gb) is better than the (32000mhz 14cl 64gb) when both are tuned with dram calculator correct?

edit: the 3600mhz 16cl 64gb is around 30$+ more than the 3200mhz 14cl 64gb

i know price doesn't always mean it's better

2 minutes ago, WereCat said:

yes

yes on that you can lower the 3600mhz 16cl timings to 3600mhz 14cl

or yes that the 3200mhz 14cl is better performance? if tuned to 3600mhz 14cl

25 minutes ago, DildorTheDecent said:

I bought Team Group Dark Pro 3600C16 and run it at 3800C16 with FCLK 1:1. Probably could get those timings down a touch more but I'm OK with were they're at.

 

Pretty much any B-die kit will do. I opted for 3600 cos I'm already at that sweetspot if I want to back the OC down for whatever reason.

 

i see thanks for the info

24 minutes ago, WereCat said:

3600MHz is best for the simple reason that the higher the RAM speed the higher the Infinity Fabric clocks and that impacts the performance the most.

 

But even when ignoring the Infinity Fabric, the 3600MHz CL16 is still faster than 3200MHz CL14.

maybe i'm just plain stupid lol, but you said u got your 3200mhz 14cl to 3600mhz 14cl tuned, i guess the 3600mhz 16cl can go to 4000mhz 14cl when tuned

but the best performance is around 3600-3733-3800mhz when using infinty fabric clocks correct? Wouldn't that mean that the TUNED 3600mhz 14cl would perform better than the TUNED 4000mhz 16cl, or is it possible to lower the timings on the 3600mhz 16cl?

thanks for taking your time to help me out btw i appreciate it alot

Edit: I should add in that i'll be using the aorus xtreme x570 mobo.

4 minutes ago, WereCat said:

The 3600MHz CL16 will outperform the 3200MHz CL14 by quite a bit with Zen2 as you will also run the FCLK (Infinity Fabric) at higher clocks which dramaticaly improves performance.

 

I started with the calculator then tuned manually.

I edited my reply to you above^^

So the 3600mhz 16cl is hands down the best even if you do all the work with timing/tuning with it? compared to 3200mhz 14cl

just want to make sure i get the best ram kit possible before i buy it

7 minutes ago, WereCat said:

If they cost prety much the same then the 3600MHz one will be better if you want to just enable XMP and be done with it.

Otherwise, if you want to tinker with it more it likely won't make a much difference but the 3600MHz kit may be binned better so you may get more clocks or lower timings out of it when tuning manualy.

 

I have 3200MHz CL16 4x16GB kit and I can run it at 3600MHz CL14 or 3733MHz CL16 after I tuned it manually, its just way more work than just having to run XMP.

So which one would be better when doing all the timings/binning/tuning 3600mhz 16cl or 3200mhz 14cl, as in i put all the work to do this which one would perform better?

If u were me which one would you go for? ( you have no budget )

you used the d-ram calculator for the 3600mhz 14cl timings right?

Edit: the ryzen performs best at 3600-3733-3800mhz so that 3600mhz sounds pretty nice question is, is it possible to use the regular 3600mhz 16cl, and tune it down to 3600mhz 14cl?

1 minute ago, WereCat said:

The difference is about 1% on avg which does not really matter. Also the primary timing don't affect the performance nearly as much as the unknown secondary timings.

If you have to sacrifice 32GB of RAM just to get 3-5 more FPS then its not worth it, get more RAM if you absolutely need it.

which one should i choose when tuning it with the dram calculator?

3200mhz 14-14-14-34 (1.35voltage) 64gb

or

3600mhz 16-16-16-36 (1.35voltage) 64gb

What's the absolute best ram money can buy for the ryzen 3950 when it's tuned with the d-ram calculator

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1562839114/F4-3600C14Q-32GTZNTrident-Z-NeoDDR4-3600MHz-CL14-15-15-35-1.40V32GB-(4x8GB)

3600mhz 14cl-15-15-35 (1.40voltage) 32gb ram

vs

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/299/1562839857/F4-3600C16Q-64GTZNTrident-Z-NeoDDR4-3600MHz-CL16-16-16-36-1.35V64GB-(4x16GB)

3600mhz 16cl-16-16-36 (1.35voltage) 64gb ram

vs

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/168/1562838710/F4-3200C14Q-64GTZNTrident-Z-NeoDDR4-3200MHz-CL14-14-14-34-1.35V64GB-(4x16GB)

3600mhz 14cl-14-14-34 (1.35voltage) 64gb ram

I want to try to achieve 64gb but i'm not sure how much fps loss i would have in games compared to the 3600mhz 14cl 32gb kit

so it's pretty much

3600mhz 14cl 32gb 
3600mhz 16cl 64gb

3200mhz 14cl 64gb

which one would be the best for me?

Goal is to: achieve the highest fps in games while still being top of the line on streaming/recording with the highest bitrate and settings, aswell as some editing.

He's using a 3600mhz 14cl (16gb kit same as the 32gb kit)

Thanks for reading

14 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

That would be optimal average. 3600mhz on Ryzen 3000 is still a little slow yet.

3800mhz always suggested as top optimal... Because IF is desired linked, while it is possible for higher frequency.

 

My 2700x runs memory faster than most people with 3000 series chips. But its not a set it and forget it feature. There's work involved and plenty of time to be spent on optimizing an overclock not to mention the operating system.

i see ty for info

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

If you're on an Intel system, that memory might just do 4000mhz Cl 14-14-14...... but might take 1.60v to get it. 

 

More variables.

 

Need system specs. It's really going to depend on which platform this memory is run.

 

Edit, NVM....... I see the specs, AMD 3950x...... I might do 4000mhz but more likely at Cas 16.

I believe amd has best performance at 3600-3733-3800mhz so it's just to go for the tightest timings possible while being at the mhz listed