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The iPod is the crown jewel of what you'd label as innovation.
People who say MP3 players were acceptable before the iPod are truly full of it. They were shit. Major shit. It was pretty embarrassing looking back. Apple brought out the iPod. Exceptionally high quality builds paired with exceptionally high quality internals, with (at the time especially) a innovative piece of music software.
iTunes went to shit however, largely because it's so bloated these days but that's a different issue. The iPod line left its mark on history. It was INNOVATION. It wasn't a new invention. Key difference.
It is 100% true that Apple does not INVENT a lot. They kinda don't. I mean, I'm having trouble thinking up of either hardware or software that was brand new from Apple. I'm sure it's out there, and what examples I have may actually be innovations of existing tech as opposed to inventions.
Force Touch? Haptics are not new. Apples implantation innovated the basic tech into something truly kickass and tangible.
Tablets? Do I really need to say more?
Phones? Yup, touchscreen devices existed before but look at where the industry went after the iPhone.
So many examples of where Apple doesn't have brand new tech, but they're freakishly good at taking existing tech and implementing it in far more user friendly and superior ways. That's admirable too. Not every company will create new things all the time, Apple above all else. What they do well is package things into attractive forms and sell them based off their seemingly boneheaded and obvious implementations.
Let me put this another way:
BMW didn't create turbos nor did they create the idea of a turbo engine.
What BMW innovated on was using two turbos, one that worked at low RPMs and one that worked at high RPMs to remove the common effects of turbo lag that traditional twin turbo setups had.
BMW certainly didn't invent anything. But they innovated on existing tech.
If you think Apple doesn't innovate, go pick up the fucking English dictionary and walk back to grade school because God damn, you need some more lessons.

The iPod is the crown jewel of what you'd label as innovation.
People who say MP3 players were acceptable before the iPod are truly full of it. They were shit. Major shit. It was pretty embarrassing looking back. Apple brought out the iPod. Exceptionally high quality builds paired with exceptionally high quality internals, with (at the time especially) a innovative piece of music software.
iTunes went to shit however, largely because it's so bloated these days but that's a different issue. The iPod line left its mark on history. It was INNOVATION. It wasn't a new invention. Key difference.
It is 100% true that Apple does not INVENT a lot. They kinda don't. I mean, I'm having trouble thinking up of either hardware or software that was brand new from Apple. I'm sure it's out there, and what examples I have may actually be innovations of existing tech as opposed to inventions.
Force Touch? Haptics are not new. Apples implantation innovated the basic tech into something truly kickass and tangible.
Tablets? Do I really need to say more?
Phones? Yup, touchscreen devices existed before but look at where the industry went after the iPhone.
So many examples of where Apple doesn't have brand new tech, but they're freakishly good at taking existing tech and implementing it in far more user friendly and superior ways. That's admirable too. Not every company will create new things all the time, Apple above all else. What they do well is package things into attractive forms and sell them based off their seemingly boneheaded and obvious implementations.
Let me put this another way:
BMW didn't create turbos nor did they create the idea of a turbo engine.
What BMW innovated on was using two turbos, one that worked at low RPMs and one that worked at high RPMs to remove the common effects of turbo lag that traditional twin turbo setups had.
BMW certainly didn't invent anything. But they innovated on existing tech.
If you think Apple doesn't innovate, go pick up the fucking English dictionary and walk back to grade school because God damn, you need some more lessons.

Apple innovated the tablet, the smartphone, high resolution notebooks, ultra slim notebooks. You don't know what innovation means. You think innovating means inventing something, that's not innovation.

No, they aren't. 
 
Best Buys internal system does not allow products to be sold to a customer before street date. If you try, the price shows up at 9999.99 and more to the point, the system just won't let the sale go through. 
 
For the product to be on the store shelves it means that the product itself was received from a truck, scanned into the inventory system, given a green light to be placed on shelves and had existing price tags and information cards AND it means that someone at BB Corporate issued update planograms (what they use to place product on shelves) that included shelf space of the new cards. 
 
No one at Best Buy was being 'stupid'. They follow standard operating procedure. For those cards to even be on sale, at some point someone who controls inventory gave them the green light to do so. 
 
So two things here happened. AMD (or their distributor) gave Best Buy the WRONG street date, since that is what Best Buy uses to determine when product gets released. 
 
OR
 
This was all according to plan, AMD (or their distributor) intended on the product being placed on shelves in this manner this early. 

i gave you a list and you just said nope, without even backing up your statements. you have no argument, your no better than a fan boy. in fact your worse than a fan boy, you hate apple because its cool, because fuck the man and when asked to back up your opinions, you crumble, replying with short pointless answers....you may have well said "yeah well and your mom" or that great school zinger "i know you are but what am i" 
 
to help you understand here is the definition of innovate
 
innovate ˈɪnəveɪt/ verb   make changes in something established, especially by introducing new methods, ideas, or products.      

Try reading the previous pages of this thread. Either you didn't and continue to shit post or you did and can't comprehend. 

Just gonna weigh in on a couple things here.
1. I do not have any new cards from AMD. I don't have tracking numbers and I haven't received a product briefing, reviewers guide, or even an official release date. I am way beyond giving a crap about unreleased products (they're nice but I've determined that I can easily stay relevant without any release day reviews anymore) so I don't really run around trying to dig these details up in the industry and read the same site you guys do. I know basically nothing about 3xx.
2. There's nothing wrong with letting fans have a sneak peek of something ahead of time. I've heard that Intel seeds processors to game streamers, and Nvidia gave away a whackton of G-SYNC modules.
3. With that said I agree with Ryan's point that something should be independently evaluated prior to release (based on my retailer experience if it's in stores now and a reviewer hasn't had a card for a few days the review won't be ready in time) and from my past experience when a product is objectively really good the brand is beating down the doors of the most trusted journalists to prove how much ass they just kicked.
This behavior looks more like "we can't win with the usual formula here, so let's throw something else at the wall and see if it sticks"
But just like the rest of you I'm speculating.
Ryan may also know more than he says (also speculation) and I'm intentionally waiting until after I post this to ask him so that I'm not revealing something I shouldn't.
The industry is very small and nothing is a secret.

No, they aren't. 
 
Best Buys internal system does not allow products to be sold to a customer before street date. If you try, the price shows up at 9999.99 and more to the point, the system just won't let the sale go through. 
 
For the product to be on the store shelves it means that the product itself was received from a truck, scanned into the inventory system, given a green light to be placed on shelves and had existing price tags and information cards AND it means that someone at BB Corporate issued update planograms (what they use to place product on shelves) that included shelf space of the new cards. 
 
No one at Best Buy was being 'stupid'. They follow standard operating procedure. For those cards to even be on sale, at some point someone who controls inventory gave them the green light to do so. 
 
So two things here happened. AMD (or their distributor) gave Best Buy the WRONG street date, since that is what Best Buy uses to determine when product gets released. 
 
OR
 
This was all according to plan, AMD (or their distributor) intended on the product being placed on shelves in this manner this early. 

So the 390X looks even worse? 

No, they aren't. 
 
Best Buys internal system does not allow products to be sold to a customer before street date. If you try, the price shows up at 9999.99 and more to the point, the system just won't let the sale go through. 
 
For the product to be on the store shelves it means that the product itself was received from a truck, scanned into the inventory system, given a green light to be placed on shelves and had existing price tags and information cards AND it means that someone at BB Corporate issued update planograms (what they use to place product on shelves) that included shelf space of the new cards. 
 
No one at Best Buy was being 'stupid'. They follow standard operating procedure. For those cards to even be on sale, at some point someone who controls inventory gave them the green light to do so. 
 
So two things here happened. AMD (or their distributor) gave Best Buy the WRONG street date, since that is what Best Buy uses to determine when product gets released. 
 
OR
 
This was all according to plan, AMD (or their distributor) intended on the product being placed on shelves in this manner this early. 

So the 390X looks even worse? 

No, they aren't. 
 
Best Buys internal system does not allow products to be sold to a customer before street date. If you try, the price shows up at 9999.99 and more to the point, the system just won't let the sale go through. 
 
For the product to be on the store shelves it means that the product itself was received from a truck, scanned into the inventory system, given a green light to be placed on shelves and had existing price tags and information cards AND it means that someone at BB Corporate issued update planograms (what they use to place product on shelves) that included shelf space of the new cards. 
 
No one at Best Buy was being 'stupid'. They follow standard operating procedure. For those cards to even be on sale, at some point someone who controls inventory gave them the green light to do so. 
 
So two things here happened. AMD (or their distributor) gave Best Buy the WRONG street date, since that is what Best Buy uses to determine when product gets released. 
 
OR
 
This was all according to plan, AMD (or their distributor) intended on the product being placed on shelves in this manner this early. 

No, they aren't. 
 
Best Buys internal system does not allow products to be sold to a customer before street date. If you try, the price shows up at 9999.99 and more to the point, the system just won't let the sale go through. 
 
For the product to be on the store shelves it means that the product itself was received from a truck, scanned into the inventory system, given a green light to be placed on shelves and had existing price tags and information cards AND it means that someone at BB Corporate issued update planograms (what they use to place product on shelves) that included shelf space of the new cards. 
 
No one at Best Buy was being 'stupid'. They follow standard operating procedure. For those cards to even be on sale, at some point someone who controls inventory gave them the green light to do so. 
 
So two things here happened. AMD (or their distributor) gave Best Buy the WRONG street date, since that is what Best Buy uses to determine when product gets released. 
 
OR
 
This was all according to plan, AMD (or their distributor) intended on the product being placed on shelves in this manner this early. 

And I bet it looks even better than that, because some people complained about the recent TriFrozr design, so perhaps MSI will go back to the drawing board.

You too?!

y u trollin mang

And the caption reads, "Soon to be struck by lightning"
 
 
 
That explains it, couldn't figure out what picture he was referring to.

That's a reference card being "touched" by Lightning in the picture lol

You're not serious right? 

Obsolete DP connectors? Are you nuts? Even my 570 supports DP 1.2. Sure, Nvidia doesn't buy into adaptive sync, and I can understand why given AMD's inability to force hardware quality on monitors. FreeSync and ghosting are now like hand & glove because unlike Nvidia forcing vendors to be premium and tight, AMD let their vendors be lazy and cheap. GSync is the universally better solution right now, and it can only improve. FreeSync is stuck if any limitations arise in hardware. If GSync hits a wall, the module can be fully reprogrammed (yay for FPGAs). Many times closed standards remain miles ahead of open ones for eternity. LLVM isn't open source yet beats out of the GCC optimization engine while doing so in less time and using less memory. Intel's compiler beats out both. HMC currently kicks the snot out of DDR4 and competes more than adequately with HBM, but unfortunately JEDEC has become Hynix's personal whore and refused to allow HMC to become an open standard. Now Intel and Micron are going to eat Hynix's lunch in the HPC space before HBM 2.0 gets off the ground.Open standards have a place, but they're far too monolithic and bogged down in petty squabbles to remain useful long-term. OpenSSL will go the way of the DoDo by 2020 at the rate it's going too. I even expect BSD to become more popular than Linux given its rate of rapid growth despite a lot of its closed standards.

In almost every post you made, you kept poking at the Titan X. Also by the contents of your post it is very easy to see which group you belong to.
Also it is a picture of the damn card, what else are we gonna judge? It's not like we can judge the performance based on the picture of the card, all we see are two power sockets. 
 
Enough about that.
 
I myself hate the design as well. Like any reference design I think they are ugly. The original Titan was cool, but it is starting to get boring. And generally same with all other aftermarket coolers the design gets boring if they keep using it.
But HBM is what we are waiting for and I hope it will be better.

Do you guys know how to read? Nowhere did I mention innovation, I clearly used inventive.
Apple doesn't invent things. They take existing things, polish them, and put a hip hat on them so people pee themselves.

Wait so the iPad wasn't innovative the iPod didn't innovate apple pay isn't innovate. What, pray tell, would you call innovative?

Go look up innovate then come back to me because until you understand what innovation is this is pointless

Your third grade level of comprehension is pretty hilarious.