OK so I swapped the ram from 2, 4 to 1,3 and still had to jump it but it stayed on for about 10 minutes letting me use the bios disk and look thru everything a bit. It is reading cpu ram aio pump and fans but I don't think it sees my ssd or hdd I couldn't investigate any further because it shut off again but now I am able to start it with the power button so I guess that is an improvement