Brown_Thunder

Friends,
 
I am a long time lurker. This will be my first post. I am stuck in a conundrum. Please help.
 
It took me 3 years of saving money to rack up about 3k for a PC build. I was planning on purchasing a RTX 2080TI with a 9900k. Top line stuff. Considering im not a rich man, it is a significant investment on my end.
 
Then Zen 2 came out, and that CPU switched to a 3900x. But now the entire system, 4 years of planning and 3 years of saving, are all thrown in doubt.
 
Recently on Awesome Hardware (Paul and Kyle's Show) they talked about rumors for NVIDIA's RTX 3000 series GPU perhaps coming in 2020. Sure, I dont mind, I can hold out. I dont take stock in rumors all too often, and I dont mind sticking with a 2080TI. It was the 2nd part, AMD's roadmap, that really threw me for a loop.
 
Ryzens 4000 is slated for "Early 2020", granted, it will be an APU, but come summer a CPU will be released, according to Lisa Su. it will be backwards compatible with AM4, which is nice. This will be Zen 2 still.
 
If you piece the roadmap together, Zen 3-4, it should come out either mid 2021 or late 2021. Here is where it gets tricky- it is fully expected, with the age of AM4, and the size of chips decreasing, Zen 4 should be on AM5.
 
Which, if correctly assumed, be compatible with the next few years cpus that come out.
 
I generally dont trust rumors, but if you cobble together ddr5, Nvidia 3000's and now AM5, one would find waiting is incredibly appetizing.
 
So here is my question. Should I hinge my bets on rumors? Should I buy a, say 3700x, and a RTX 2060, then rebuild my savings for the next 2 years? Or should I just purchase my 3900x and AM4 and be done with it? This build will be for general and recreational purposes, and while my current laptop has put me through college, the old girl is gonna die soon.
 
What do I do?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
tl;dr: Should I wait for AM5 or just bite the bullet on 3900X?
 
Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q2H4aWS0xg
 
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-4000-early-2020-renoir-apu
 
EDIT**: Thanks for the input guys. I didnt even think about the first few iterations will be buggy. I think Ill settle with a RTX 2070S and a 3900x. I love this forum and you guys are awesome. Thanks!

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Honestly, they would do US first before they even think about Australia. I genuinely believe Australia will never happen, for the simple fact that as soon as Linus steps out of the plane something dangerous will bite him on his sandaled feet

Honestly, they would do US first before they even think about Australia. I genuinely believe Australia will never happen, for the simple fact that as soon as Linus steps out of the plane something dangerous will bite him on his sandaled feet

Honestly, they would do US first before they even think about Australia. I genuinely believe Australia will never happen, for the simple fact that as soon as Linus steps out of the plane something dangerous will bite him on his sandaled feet

Honestly, they would do US first before they even think about Australia. I genuinely believe Australia will never happen, for the simple fact that as soon as Linus steps out of the plane something dangerous will bite him on his sandaled feet

Honestly, they would do US first before they even think about Australia. I genuinely believe Australia will never happen, for the simple fact that as soon as Linus steps out of the plane something dangerous will bite him on his sandaled feet

True, but I will also amass even more funds by then to compensate technically, right? Compounding on my existing funds 

True, but here is my issue: ddr3 came out in 2007, and ddr4 came out in 2014. If we take that logic, a new, faster iteration comes out every 7 years. Thus, we are expected to get ddr5 in 2021, a mere 1.3 years from now. Any current mb won't handle that. It is the promise of a overhaul such as that, that has me concerned. I want to make this pc as long lasting as possible, so the mb is crucial

They are kind of similar. Cpu locked is the games graphics and fps are run on the cpu rather than gpu. Ex: 7 days to die

I agree, and in truth, I really am not stuck on rtx 2080ti, I'm just trying to make this future proof as much as possible. Hence my main concern for am5. I can run the next gen of cpus from that motherboard than upgrading. Also, the money issue technically shouldn't be a problem future case, bc I was a student then. Now I have a job, but also now have loans, which is why I am overcompensating and equating the 2 salaries.

Honestly probably 80/20 gaming. Many of the games I want to play are cpu locked though. My main concern is, if AM5 does come out in the near future, that mother board can last me a loooong time then, right? 

Just gaming, and finance stuff. The reason why I want such a high powered cpu is because many of the games I want to play are cpu locked

Thanks for the input everyone!

Friends,
 
I am a long time lurker. This will be my first post. I am stuck in a conundrum. Please help.
 
It took me 3 years of saving money to rack up about 3k for a PC build. I was planning on purchasing a RTX 2080TI with a 9900k. Top line stuff. Considering im not a rich man, it is a significant investment on my end.
 
Then Zen 2 came out, and that CPU switched to a 3900x. But now the entire system, 4 years of planning and 3 years of saving, are all thrown in doubt.
 
Recently on Awesome Hardware (Paul and Kyle's Show) they talked about rumors for NVIDIA's RTX 3000 series GPU perhaps coming in 2020. Sure, I dont mind, I can hold out. I dont take stock in rumors all too often, and I dont mind sticking with a 2080TI. It was the 2nd part, AMD's roadmap, that really threw me for a loop.
 
Ryzens 4000 is slated for "Early 2020", granted, it will be an APU, but come summer a CPU will be released, according to Lisa Su. it will be backwards compatible with AM4, which is nice. This will be Zen 2 still.
 
If you piece the roadmap together, Zen 3-4, it should come out either mid 2021 or late 2021. Here is where it gets tricky- it is fully expected, with the age of AM4, and the size of chips decreasing, Zen 4 should be on AM5.
 
Which, if correctly assumed, be compatible with the next few years cpus that come out.
 
I generally dont trust rumors, but if you cobble together ddr5, Nvidia 3000's and now AM5, one would find waiting is incredibly appetizing.
 
So here is my question. Should I hinge my bets on rumors? Should I buy a, say 3700x, and a RTX 2060, then rebuild my savings for the next 2 years? Or should I just purchase my 3900x and AM4 and be done with it? This build will be for general and recreational purposes, and while my current laptop has put me through college, the old girl is gonna die soon.
 
What do I do?
 
Thanks in advance!
 
tl;dr: Should I wait for AM5 or just bite the bullet on 3900X?
 
Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Q2H4aWS0xg
 
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-4000-early-2020-renoir-apu
 
EDIT**: Thanks for the input guys. I didnt even think about the first few iterations will be buggy. I think Ill settle with a RTX 2070S and a 3900x. I love this forum and you guys are awesome. Thanks!

What use will the machine be put to?  Just gaming and low power requirement stuff or something like industrial video editing?

Maybe wait that long and get AM4 so by that time all the bugs will be ironed out with it XD
 
I kid, honestly same as everyone above waiting is silly.  The next ryzen will be killer Im sure, and by that time intel might muster something up to at least compete with the value.
 
But with the options right now, a high end PC built right now will last you a long time.  3700x and above will be good CPU options for a good time
 
When I was in school, the best I could afford was an i5 3350 and a GTX 970.  That rig lasted me for years able to play whatever game I wanted (albeit not 4k ultra!), and did what I needed it to.  A pimped out AM4 set up will serve you well for many years.
 
Now on the topic of GPU, I feel mixed.  If AMD actually does something relevant at the high end, we could finally see reasonable prices at the halo end.  2080ti has some good punching power, but still overpriced.  If Nvidia make a better GPU without AMD competition at the top end, you're looking at even more expensive.  On the plus side, it is much easier to put a GPU on ebay (I have sold I think 4 no problem at this point), and swap out for a better one (compared to CPU/mobo swapping).  
 
If you have funds for a 3900x and a good GPU (2080 or higher) that will be a good CPU for a while
 
 

I'd agree on CPUs, but on GPUs, especially since he really seems to want a RTX card eventually, id highly recommend waiting. 

Even on a 2080TI the tensor cores aren't beefy enough to actually utilize the rest of the graphics core, and you just end up with half baked performance running with RTX-On at the moment.  Id get a RTX 2070(Super) or 5700(XT) (id steer clear of the 2060s, they are a ripoff) and wait for next gen RTX if that is your concern. 

If you really want to kinda minmax but be happy for awhile, and are hellbent on Nvidea, get a 1660 Super and wait for next gen, its more then enough for high refresh 1080p medium-high (depending on refresh rate desired),
If you wanna go super-duper minmax get a 120$ rx570 and save ALL that money for next gen graphics, that thing can still do higher refresh 1080p on mix low settings(high textures) 120hz-ish for most games

If RTX actually does become a big universal thing, any of the 2000 series cards are going to look silly in a couple years, for that reason i think its better to just ignore RTX on the 2000 series, or buy a card thats reasonable value like the 2070S if you want to dip your toes into it here and there right now

best to fling money at certain components of a build, and cheap out on other aspects
as mentioned earlier
 
but ya dont wait, otherwise be always playing the game "what if"

Don't wait. Buy what you can for what you need right now. 

3900x because it will last you years to come. Am5 and ddr5 are going to be expensive. 

you will always be waiting for the next "new" "best" components to come out
best to buy now, or wait until new gen has been out for a little bit and buy right then!
like when the 1400 and 1600 ryzen came out, buy a good mobo, and cheap out on the cpu and buy one stick of good 8gb ram
then later, buy another stick of 8gb ram and save for a better cpu, sell old cpu
 

First, if you aren't wealthy you should never buy the most expensive hardware just because you can, just like new Astons, Ferraris, and Lamborghinis they devalue harder and faster then anything, while more moderately priced stuff (lets say a BMW or a Lexus for analogies sake) doesn't cost as much and holds more of its value.  Im including capability into some of this value, rather then just resale $.  So in your orginal case a 8-core CPU, even if at 5ghz, may not be that big of a deal if its on old architecture with lots of security issue patches hindering its performance (9900k) in a few years.  Likewise it may not be cheaper but a 12-core 39000 probably will continue to increase in what its capable of as more programs and games start using more threads/cores. 

So far as AMD vs Intel? AMD will probably continue to lead for next few years, and investing in cores will likely be a good bet, but there is a decent chance now that they have 'Mindshare' (consumers actually respect, want, admire AMD) they may start jacking up prices and your return on investment will shrink.  I state the notion of them jacking up prices based off 3rd gen Threadripped prices, there is other evidence of it very recently but won't go into that.

You seem to really want a RTX card for whatever reason, i would say its probably better to wait till next generation, even on a 2080TI the tensor cores aren't beefy enough to actually utilize the rest of the graphics core, and you just end up with half baked performance running with RTX-On at the moment.  Id get a RTX 2070(Super) or 5700(XT) (id steer clear of the 2060s, they are a ripoff) and wait for next gen RTX if that is your concern.  Or if you really want to minmax, and are hellbent on Nvidea, get a 1660 Super and wait for next gen, its more then enough for high refresh 1080p medium-high (depending on refresh rate desired), if you wanna super-duper minmax get a 120$ rx570 and save ALL that money for next gen graphics, that thing can still do higher refresh 1080p on mix low-medium settings

I'd just get a midrange system. 3700X + 5700XT/2060S. The 2080 TI is 3x the cost for 50% more fps.
Upgrade GPU every other cycle, upgrade cpu every 4 cycles.

hey think of it this way. The first generation of any product is always buggy and always a gamble to invest in. Dont buy a 1999 BMW.