MrBrightSyde

I solely use watch GN and HUB for tech stuff.

Used to watch LTT until a couple years ago, moved onto GamersNexus and HardwareUnboxed.  My take is that Linus fucked up and is deflecting all blame from himself. What they did to the prototype from Billet Labs and the video they created for it is shameful. I remember why I stopped watching in the first place.
 
There is also the rushed scheduling for videos that allow for multiple mistakes to get by, including bad test results. They are a multi-million dollar company, and they are worried about $500? Must be running on thin margins if taking the little amount of extra time to correct their mistakes breaks the company budget.

Used to watch LTT until a couple years ago, moved onto GamersNexus and HardwareUnboxed.  My take is that Linus fucked up and is deflecting all blame from himself. What they did to the prototype from Billet Labs and the video they created for it is shameful. I remember why I stopped watching in the first place.
 
There is also the rushed scheduling for videos that allow for multiple mistakes to get by, including bad test results. They are a multi-million dollar company, and they are worried about $500? Must be running on thin margins if taking the little amount of extra time to correct their mistakes breaks the company budget.

The way GN handled this, I feel like it was for attention. And to cause some type of drama. Sure mistakes were  made, but the way half of the keyboard warriors are handling it... its a bit over the top. (I watch both GN and LTT, this is my impartial opinion)
 

Used to watch LTT until a couple years ago, moved onto GamersNexus and HardwareUnboxed.  My take is that Linus fucked up and is deflecting all blame from himself. What they did to the prototype from Billet Labs and the video they created for it is shameful. I remember why I stopped watching in the first place.
 
There is also the rushed scheduling for videos that allow for multiple mistakes to get by, including bad test results. They are a multi-million dollar company, and they are worried about $500? Must be running on thin margins if taking the little amount of extra time to correct their mistakes breaks the company budget.

You really don't seem to get it.
 
Buying new testing hardware doesn't buy you accuracy. Integrity doesn't come from hardware. A one person team working from their bedroom could produce better data than you do by choosing to do their testing with the care and respect it deserves.
 
This is a management issue, and all you're saying is "but we're spending so much more money to buy equipment and engineers" - which is not where your problem is. This sounds exactly like you have no idea where the problem even is, so you are NOT investing on improving any of your problems.
 
You yourself said you'd rather save $100, or 500, than produce accurate data, while I'm sure your company will not be in any way affected by the loss of the $500 - which also would've been a direct result of your own choices leading up to that point anyway and could be considered a learning experience to avoid said costs in the future. Instead you chose to complain about a small startup's product, very publicly, very loudly, for not working as not intentioned, and save the $500.
 
This does not make it seem sincere that you are genuinely willing to spend money in the things that actually matter to produce the accuracy you claim to be committed to.

Black just means "normal" as in, there isn't anything that makes it stand out from the others in their tier.

Hi Jonny, it has been awhile and I can see my post has caused quite a stir, lets see if I can straighten out the english comprehension a little.

"All <b>you</b> need is a tax ID and <b>you</b> can buy as many PSUs from them as <b>you</b> want."

The above is a quote from your previous response, if you were only referring to scalpers I would expect a 'they' rather than 'you' at the bolded spots.  If I mistook your response as encouraging scalping I apologize, but you wrote it that way, not me.  As it is written what you wrote could be construed as encouraging scalping, which is why I did a double response after reading it again.

Why Corsair would want to encourage scalping?  Well as a public company it might help a quarterly report to have stock move sooner rather than later in another quarter, its trivial to imagine such justifications. 

I don't deserve the insults though, and the corsair units in question, the hx1200, just got back in stock today, or yesterday at the corsair website, I've been following closely.  Scalpers have had no competition against them flogging that specific unit at ridiculous prices until now, they were not available anywhere at retail pricing so don't pretend that they were out there all over the place, they weren't.  Some scalpers were even breaking them open and selling the cables separately from their marked up units on Ebay, a particularly odious crime imho.  Having finally just bought one directly from Corsair I came here to check if the internals had been swapped for more readily available parts but I did not expect all this hate.

I called for boycotting scalpers choking the supply, whoa my temerity!  And given my entirely reasonable interpretation of what you yourself wrote, I suggested corsair could be vulnerable to the same if that was something that was actually being encouraged.  Imagine the uppity customers!  Can't have that lets insult them instead, that'll teach em?  And EVGA PSUs at 1300w are in fact stacked up at Microcenter, are a suitable replacement for the specific unit I was looking at but I could afford patience, I meant only to suggest going for them instead of letting a scalper rip you, if waiting wasn't an option.  I hadn't come here yet to see all the poor manners on display.

Joseph

That makes sense.  I wasn't sure if there were new discoveries though - I can't remember if there was always a separation between wattages.  I may go with something else either way.
 
Edit: I went for the Super Flower Leadex III Gold
https://www.newegg.com/super-flower-leadex-iii-sf-650f14hg-650w/p/1HU-024C-00007?Item=9SIAMNPAY44593

Just to add some info, I have a Thermaltake Toughpower GF1 PE 750w, with a EVGA FTW3 3080Ti and haven't had any issues, tested using Furmark and Prime95 on a 9900k with a 4.9Ghz all-core OC.
 
So the 750w depends on your power supply.

In this case and with most if not all group regulated PSUs there, out of spec voltage regulation, among other things.
Regardless of the brand, OEM or topology, if a PSU goes out of specifications under some circumstances then it's going to be detiered. Even if it's under overload if not straight up detier we would likely at least move it to low priority subtier, because if the PSU is still online under overload then it should be also still in specifications, if it's not then protections weren't set right. As you see, a lot of PSUs made it to tiers A/B/C with this requirement in mind.
You can also argue that some group regulated PSUs would be better than some DC-DC ones in reliability and that's certainly true. But there's no metric to determine reliability, some retailers publish RMA rates but most of this data doesn't make much sense sadly. So reliability is not a apart of our methodology, there's simply no way to do that. We do however to detier PSUs that are known to have reliability problems and other issues post factum after the accumulation of user feedback or after it would become known from reviews.
There's also a good amount of FSP-made PSUs in higher tiers if you think that their manufacturing and QC process is more robust, so i'm not sure what exactly you're trying to accomplish here.
Speaking of OEMs overall, without making this list highly subjective we can't just tier PSUs by their OEMs either. You say Seasonic bias but what about FSP bias ? CWT bias ? Any-other-OEM bias ?
Please do. If you're advocating for us to put old-ass group regulated PSUs in the line with modern high-end PSUs with way better performance and more protections, that ain't gonna happen. Tiering PSUs by their performance and protections is literally all what this tier list is about. We could care less about the brand or OEM. If you disagree then just don't use this list.

...this is a cooling tier list, not a GPU tier list

without heavy modifiction they would also make for awful PSU fans

That would depend entirely on which PSU it is. There is more to a PSU than just the wattage

You know...you could just use the spreadsheet, which is updated way more often as more info and reviews are put out. You would know that the Legion Gold HX is already on there and is Tier B low priority. It's low priority since there are no professional reviews on it currently

You know...you could just use the spreadsheet, which is updated way more often as more info and reviews are put out. You would know that the Legion Gold HX is already on there and is Tier B low priority. It's low priority since there are no professional reviews on it currently

If you're going to overclock your CPU to 5Ghz, and have a 3080 you're definitely gonna need a better power supply.

They still use the SSR-FM (SSR-FX for the GX) for the model even though the GM has most of the issues fixed.

*laughs in Gigabyte P-GM, EVGA N1/N2, and Cooler Master Elite*
 
Anyways @HadHaw, the TX650M is a great choice for the price. As long as GPUs don't jump in power consumption like they did this with the RTX 3000 series, 650w should be enough for mid-range cards for a while.
If you want a 750w for future-proofing, the BitFenix Formula Gold, Corsair RM, and the Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro are some of the choices you have, along with the 750w TXM

*laughs in Gigabyte P-GM, EVGA N1/N2, and Cooler Master Elite*
 
Anyways @HadHaw, the TX650M is a great choice for the price. As long as GPUs don't jump in power consumption like they did this with the RTX 3000 series, 650w should be enough for mid-range cards for a while.
If you want a 750w for future-proofing, the BitFenix Formula Gold, Corsair RM, and the Antec Earthwatts Gold Pro are some of the choices you have, along with the 750w TXM

If you try running a normal 3 or 4 pin fan of the PSU there are a couple problems there.
 
1. Obviously the plug won't fit unless you de-pin it and use the connector from the stock fan (or do the even more questionable method of pulling the housing off the PSU's board)
2. In the case of a PWM fan, it might not like changing speed based off DC instead of PWM (I have a few Corsair fans that shriek like banshees if you try DC controlling them)
3. A standard case fan will leave a good bit extra wire inside the PSU if you end up plugging it straight in
 
Something else I like is just being able to control the speed myself. If my room is hot, I could just ramp the fan up. Or if I'm drawing more power than usual for whatever reason, I could ramp it up more.
Good lord. Just because a PSU is old doesn't mean it's automatically going to go haywire and kill your family. I've got PSUs that are well into their 20's that I trust more than my 6 year old EVGA unit.

I have a GF1 myself and it has been very quiet, so I can recommend it noise-wise. Either one would work in terms of quality, but if you don't care about the ARGB, I would get which ever is cheaper

I bought GF1 850W, thanks.