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2 hours ago, Fatih19 said:

Famous last words.

I've got years of history on my side, not much of a hot take lol.

1 hour ago, jaslion said:

 

Even when they were the better choice or did have a better card people didn't buy them. So eventually they kinda stopped aiming for the high end and focused on the area where sales still take place.

AMD have not beaten out nvidia in the high end in many, many generations. AMD has not done anything worthwhile for the high end in so very long, there is nothing to suggest this gen will be any different. They aren't playing to win and consumers can tell.

Just now, GuruMeditationError said:

Okay, that does put a new complexion on things. I thought the bottom had fallen out of the whole crypto currency thing.

That's a pain.

I guess I can afford to wait it out as I mainly play in 3D with 3D Vision and that's not compatible with ray tracing, so I don't really know what to say, other than maybe not look to me as an example of what you should do.

But yeah, I know, it sucks. I'm still on a 970 and was hoping the 3000 series was going to solve my problems, not just create more disappointment. :0/

 

Maybe I wall try and get one at launch.

 

Yeah estimates from benchmarks are showing the 3080 to be about 3-4x more efficient at etherium than a 2080Ti :s

My 1080Ti has lasted me this long, and it could last longer but, I plan on playing Cyberpunk with all the bells and whistles but a 6700k and a 1080Ti aren't gonna be able to handle that. No way in hell i'm waiting on what ever half assed attempt AMD make with Big Navi.

18 minutes ago, GuruMeditationError said:

I'm not 100% sure on that but I've been listening to Buildzoid and he seems to suggest that that's the case.

There are rumours that there's going to be a shortage of cards after launch because they've only done a short initial run; something to do with how many PCB's they can get from each wafer or some such thing. I'm not sure if they're going to re-tool for further production runs or if there'll be revisions but it wouldn't surprise me in the least if there were. There generally is with other kinds of hardware and I've had a few graphics cards in the past that have revision numbers on them.

I think it might be worth waiting and getting a later card, but don't wait so long that you miss out if you want one because at some point they do go out of production so you might be forced to use the second hand market. Also, from what I'm reading there are often driver issues at launch and it takes time for the drivers to be revised and streamlined. All in all, waiting until next year might not be the worst idea.  

My primary concern on waiting is, with how limited the stock is at first, how long will it be before they are restocked. Couple that with the fact that the 3080's are apparently etherium mining machines I fear another potential shortage due to mining.

I'm building a new rig with the new 4th gen Ryzens so if I wait on the card, by the time I can pick up the rest of the PC there likely won't be any 30xx cards, and the few there will be, will likely be WAY above MSRP.

3 minutes ago, GuruMeditationError said:

I know, it kind of looks like a toy. I think a lot of them do. :0/

 

I have to admit I do kind of like RGB but not how it's been used on the 3080 AIB's

I think strix ones are pretty decent, at least for the part you should see in most configs. The backplate is nice.

The side view isnt too bad but, you can just turn off the RGB if need be.

A vertical mount is a different story, definitely a subjective ugly/cool scale lol.

2 hours ago, GuruMeditationError said:

They lost me at the redesign but I did have an RTX 2070 Strix that I ended up selling because I didn't quite get the performance I wanted from it. But yeah, I just don't like the design of the new 3000 partner boards, they're just not my thing, but of course stuff like that's a matter of taste.

When you can just turn all the RGB stuff off most cards are just muted and black with a backplate. Some AIBs do have some absolute gaudy looking 30xx series cards coming out. EVGA FTW series looks incredibly childish.

Yeah, I might end up having to go that route.

You're looking at the wrong one, look at the HOF version. 

499$ and 699$ for 1080.

I guess, but 800$+ is a lot of faith to put in a stranger lol.

As the title implies, does anyone know where I can find one? I've checked online retailers and no luck, and they don't ship to Canada from their stores, any ideas?

Just now, MageTank said:

Ah, this deal does not work in Canada? That's a shame. It's $83 in the US ATM. Can't believe the prices are that far apart. 

 

The kit you picked out will work perfectly fine, and I think it will still look just as great. The heatsinks on that board are silver, so the silver RAM should look fine on it. Besides, the white plastic on that board is easy to remove, so you could always plastidip it silver to match the ram and heatsink if it bothers you. 

Yeah PC hardware pricing in Canada is reaaaaally bad. in general prices are higher and when it comes to discounts/deals they aren't nearly as lucrative.

9 minutes ago, MageTank said:

At stock, it won't be an issue at all. Only once you start manually changing the clock speed, that you will have to also start manually adjusting the voltage values. 

 

If you are wanting black/white ram, you can get something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=Homepage_SS-_-P1_20-232-391-_-09092016&Index=1

 

Black brushed aluminum with a white plastic piece (the white plastic piece can be removed and swapped out to different colors, G Skill will be selling a kit soon to do that). It's priced similarly to your kit, but it comes with a 3200mhz overclock. You simply load its XMP profile, and you are good to go. 

Sadly the difference in price is 142.99$ vs 86.99$  

Just now, MageTank said:

Aesthetically, that is going to look amazing. As for performance, they have plenty of overclocking headroom in them. I bet you could dial the voltage to 1.35, set the memory clock speed to 2800, and keep primary timings exactly the same, and it should work perfectly. Might even get 3000mhz on that kit with the same timings. Would be very wary of the VCCIO/VCCSA voltage that the board might automatically set. If it goes beyond 1.2v on either value, make sure you manually set them yourself. 1.15v would honestly be enough, but 1.2v would work as well. 

Honestly the aesthetics were the primary reason I chose the g skill set (also I have used G skill for years with zero issues), white RAM is a pain in the ass to find haha.

As for the voltage settings, at stock settings will it still set it to be an issue or is this only in regards to OCing aggressively?

1 minute ago, MageTank said:

Ignore the people that do not know what they are talking about. Ram speed matters, but its impact is only really noticed in situations with high CPU overhead. This can happen even with the best CPU's. Depends on your hardware configuration AND the game itself. Playing with a very powerful GPU at a lower resolution requires the CPU to process more frames for the GPU, which ultimately causes the CPU to end up being the bottleneck. Faster memory has been proven to aid with this, with gains up to 20%. This kind of bottleneck can also be relieved by simply shifting the bottleneck from the CPU, to the GPU, but increasing the resolution or adding copious amounts of AA.

 

However, even with higher resolutions and AA being paired with your high end GPU, sometimes the CPU can still be the bottleneck, even with fewer frames to process. Some games just have specific parts that lag even the best CPU's, or perhaps had an area or specific code that could not be utilized by more cores (Amdahl's Law) and ultimately, it caused a dip in FPS. Faster memory also helps in this regard. No matter what, your frame rate will dip in situations like these, but faster ram will determine exactly how low it will dip. Going from 2133 to 2800 in DDR4 has improved minimum FPS dips by 15% in certain titles for me. Beyond that, I saw heavy diminishing returns (I still run my ram at 3600 C14-14-14-28-CR2). For DDR3, most people see deminishing returns at around 2133. 

 

Ultimately, you need not worry about paying for faster ram. Memory overclocking is pretty easy if you are not aiming for very high overclocks (the ones beyond the diminishing returns i spoke of earlier) and every DDR4 kit I have ever seen is perfectly capable of hitting 3000mhz, even the weakest Micron IC's. If you have a Z platform, you can either save yourself the time and buy an XMP kit, or save yourself the money and buy a normal kit to OC. I'll gladly help you OC if you need it.

Awesome! Thanks for the reply man. I planned on getting http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16813132566 as the mobo and the gskill linked above which are both XMP ready. Thoughts?

1 minute ago, Nena360 said:

If the CPU is the bottleneck then faster RAM will help, but I would not blow the entire budget in high grade gamer RAM. My advice is stick to DDR3-1866MHz/CL9 or DDR4-2666MHz/CL15 that seems to be the sweet spot in most gaming rigs these days!

I was looking at http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820232174&ignorebbr=1 and pairing it with a 6700k

Ultimately how important (gaming) performance wise, are the timings really? 

Last I remember hearing is that with DDR4 and the speeds in general they are pretty irrelevant now, is this accurate or am I wrong?

1 minute ago, GSTARR said:

The top can carry a 360mm radiator if you wanted

Why not use the front for the radiator? I find taking the top off ruins the looks

I planned on using the top as the exhaust for the radiator and the front and back for a push pull.

Hello all!

I'm looking at going with an H100i or H110. The difference mainly (besides price) are the radiator sizes of 240mm and 280mm respectively. Now I'm getting conflicting results across the interwebs. I see some places stating the top mounting position supports UP TO 280mm rads and others stating it supports 280mm rads, does anyone have the case or is familiar enough with it to know since it supports 280mm rads will it also support the 240mm ones in the event I go with the H100i?

35 minutes ago, iamdarkyoshi said:

Its kinda like corsair TBH. They make decent supplies and... less than... ideal........ supplies.

 

That one doesn't look too bad.

They also make some that are top of the line....soooo yeah.

I usually hang onto it as a backup in case the new one shits the bed and I have to RMA it.

2 hours ago, GnomishViking said:

I guess the EVGA SC is an option too. already clocked higher than the FTW. But the FTW is custom PCB I think? Plus more power connectors. Which in theory would give better overclocks but from what Ive seen every card hits the same OC wall.

You can also take into account EVGAs step up program too.

2 hours ago, GnomishViking said:

I guess the EVGA SC is an option too. already clocked higher than the FTW. But the FTW is custom PCB I think? Plus more power connectors. Which in theory would give better overclocks but from what Ive seen every card hits the same OC wall.

You can also take into account EVGAs step up program too.

It's an arms race, give it time people will find a workaround, they always do.

3 minutes ago, newbornsoul said:

it would be kind of a "ghetto" solution but you can add 2 120mm fans if you have them laying around, or 92mm if you need to buy them (i still would get the 120mm) and connect the fan to a hub if your case has one (for manual control) or to the mobo and tweak a bit with the speeds in the bios (for auto control), and strap them to the heatsink with a couple of zipties... believe it or not, it will be quiet (even quieter than now) and cooler, if you choose some good fans, for instance, linustechtips noctua fans... they are very good and quiet (as he is a silence freak, (sorry linus but you know you are...))... or you can go along with something like this (also ghetto) 

 

 

 

 

(That's not me by the way, i also have a beard, but my wife say's i'm better looking than he is... lol)

Lol I might just try that, I have a couple extra 120mm noctuas kicking around from my old heatsink.