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Which is why I offered to quote ALL OF MY PAST SUGGESTIONS.  It's almost like I could predict what your response was going to be.  Yet you still wrote it.
 
 
As suggestions are often opinions, this criticism is irrelevant. 
 
 
Could you be more specific?  Exactly what is a "bold faced lie" in your mind? 
 
And if you are aware of my past input, then why did you incorrectly state just a few posts before that such posts were never made?  In fact, you just alluded to a couple examples in the form of the questionable categorization and criteria applied to several Seasonic units. You are repeatedly contradicting your own logic.  I am not even sure what your point is anymore, other than you don't like my opinion.
 
Just for clarification, believing a tier list is pointless and offering suggestions for it are not mutually exclusive positions.
 
 
 

You never listened to the criticisms to begin with.  How is this any different than before?
 
I think you are confusing me with one of the many others who criticized the list.  I never called you a liar and I don't recall calling your work BS either.

We don't even have to leave tonight's post to put that claim to rest.  Four hours ago, in the thread titled "Rosewill PHOTON 50W vs Corsair RM650x PSU?" I wrote:

 
"The tier lists in this forum are a hot mess and barely worth considering. The Corsair RMx should be at least a tier up and has a solid advantage over the Photon." 
 
 
There you go.  An example of a clear and actionable information that will be ignored like all the others.  I didn't even have to leave this evenings posts to prove you wrong.  And Fasauceome, you posted in that thread.  I have a lot more where that came from.  Just give the word and I will happily quote them for you going back two months. I could also restate all those criticisms and suggestions if you wish.  But claiming that I wasn't offering them is just bizarre.
 
 

I contribute ideas all the time.  So do most of the other critics.   They are simply ignored.  Which especially shocking when you consider how knowledgeable some of the critics are.  

Given the number of really solid to great PSU's that end up in Tier D, it wouldn't shock me at all if he was right. The list in its current form is a joke.

Not how that works.  They only have to stay in spec for the rated load.  Nor are they required to shut down before going out of spec.  It's certainly nice if they do, but 150w+ is neither an issue nor any cause for concern.  
 
 
No, I wasn't talking about Mask.  It isn't important anyways. 

I am fully aware of where this nonsense started and who started it.   The three main issues are:
 
1)   A 268mv spike occurring at a 150 watt overload is NOT an issue.  
 
2)   I have yet to see that spike replicated in any  other test.  So even if it was an issue, it hasn't been replicated.  
 
3)   That someone was willing to hunt through foreign languages sites to cherry pick negative information should have been a clue that maybe he wasn't entirely impartial in his analysis.   Your source has serious anti-Seasonic bias in my opinion.
 
 

Not how that works.  They only have to stay in spec for the rated load.  Nor are they required to shut down before going out of spec.  It's certainly nice if they do, but 150w+ is neither an issue nor any cause for concern.  
 
 
No, I wasn't talking about Mask.  It isn't important anyways. 

I am fully aware of where this nonsense started and who started it.   The three main issues are:
 
1)   A 268mv spike occurring at a 150 watt overload is NOT an issue.  
 
2)   I have yet to see that spike replicated in any  other test.  So even if it was an issue, it hasn't been replicated.  
 
3)   That someone was willing to hunt through foreign languages sites to cherry pick negative information should have been a clue that maybe he wasn't entirely impartial in his analysis.   Your source has serious anti-Seasonic bias in my opinion.
 
 

None of the Focus models have ripple issues,   You won't ever get the rest of list cleaned up if you can't figure out something as simple as this mythical "ripple issue".  

Agreed.  Its worth considering as part of a balanced assessment, but they take it WAY too far.

Which is why I offered to quote ALL OF MY PAST SUGGESTIONS.  It's almost like I could predict what your response was going to be.  Yet you still wrote it.
 
 
As suggestions are often opinions, this criticism is irrelevant. 
 
 
Could you be more specific?  Exactly what is a "bold faced lie" in your mind? 
 
And if you are aware of my past input, then why did you incorrectly state just a few posts before that such posts were never made?  In fact, you just alluded to a couple examples in the form of the questionable categorization and criteria applied to several Seasonic units. You are repeatedly contradicting your own logic.  I am not even sure what your point is anymore, other than you don't like my opinion.
 
Just for clarification, believing a tier list is pointless and offering suggestions for it are not mutually exclusive positions.
 
 
 

You never listened to the criticisms to begin with.  How is this any different than before?
 
I think you are confusing me with one of the many others who criticized the list.  I never called you a liar and I don't recall calling your work BS either.

We don't even have to leave tonight's post to put that claim to rest.  Four hours ago, in the thread titled "Rosewill PHOTON 50W vs Corsair RM650x PSU?" I wrote:

 
"The tier lists in this forum are a hot mess and barely worth considering. The Corsair RMx should be at least a tier up and has a solid advantage over the Photon." 
 
 
There you go.  An example of a clear and actionable information that will be ignored like all the others.  I didn't even have to leave this evenings posts to prove you wrong.  And Fasauceome, you posted in that thread.  I have a lot more where that came from.  Just give the word and I will happily quote them for you going back two months. I could also restate all those criticisms and suggestions if you wish.  But claiming that I wasn't offering them is just bizarre.
 
 

I contribute ideas all the time.  So do most of the other critics.   They are simply ignored.  Which especially shocking when you consider how knowledgeable some of the critics are.  

Given the number of really solid to great PSU's that end up in Tier D, it wouldn't shock me at all if he was right. The list in its current form is a joke.

Not how that works.  They only have to stay in spec for the rated load.  Nor are they required to shut down before going out of spec.  It's certainly nice if they do, but 150w+ is neither an issue nor any cause for concern.  
 
 
No, I wasn't talking about Mask.  It isn't important anyways. 

I am fully aware of where this nonsense started and who started it.   The three main issues are:
 
1)   A 268mv spike occurring at a 150 watt overload is NOT an issue.  
 
2)   I have yet to see that spike replicated in any  other test.  So even if it was an issue, it hasn't been replicated.  
 
3)   That someone was willing to hunt through foreign languages sites to cherry pick negative information should have been a clue that maybe he wasn't entirely impartial in his analysis.   Your source has serious anti-Seasonic bias in my opinion.
 
 

None of the Focus models have ripple issues,   You won't ever get the rest of list cleaned up if you can't figure out something as simple as this mythical "ripple issue".  

Exhibit "A" in the case against the tier list.  The Straight power is not in the same league as the Seasonic Prime.

Oh you think the S12II is the ONLY thing wrong with that list?  FAR from it.  Just to illustrate one small example, let's use your own stated c6/c7 standard.  
 
There are Several PSU's in "Tier c" that do not "meet c6/c7 crossloads".  Whatever that's supposed to mean.  But they are still in "Tier C".  Either you aren't applying your standards consistently, or you don't understand the performance characteristics of the PSU's on the list.  
 
But It shouldn't come to that at all since you can change the rules.  If a rule is resulting in erroneous rankings, the solution is to fix the problem. You don't dodge responsibility by blaming "rules".  On the plus side of things, you have a bright future as a bureaucrat.  
 

I contribute ideas all the time.  So do most of the other critics.   They are simply ignored.  Which especially shocking when you consider how knowledgeable some of the critics are.  

There isn't that much of a difference between the output of the TS 550 and the CX 600.  Either the TS just needs replacement anyways or your system is right on the edge of its power requirement and thé CX gave it enough of a boost to stabilize it.
 
The RX 5700 XT Nitro is a pretty vicious card.  I see a lot of people reporting PSU issues with it.   Going with another 550 watt unit is highly ill-advised in my view.  I recommend  650w minimum here.  
 
 

750ti has no spinning drives, just an SSD?  I don't remember that.  

Might wanna get your eyesight checked bud, haha. I check and recheck all my posts for spelling and grammar before I post.  Nice try though!