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Agreed. Its worth considering as part of a balanced assessment, but they take it WAY too far.

Which is why I offered to quote ALL OF MY PAST SUGGESTIONS. It's almost like I could predict what your response was going to be. Yet you still wrote it. As suggestions are often opinions, this criticism is irrelevant. Could you be more specific? Exactly what is a "bold faced lie" in your mind? And if you are aware of my past input, then why did you incorrectly state just a few posts before that such posts were never made? In fact, you just alluded to a couple examples in the form of the questionable categorization and criteria applied to several Seasonic units. You are repeatedly contradicting your own logic. I am not even sure what your point is anymore, other than you don't like my opinion. Just for clarification, believing a tier list is pointless and offering suggestions for it are not mutually exclusive positions.

You never listened to the criticisms to begin with. How is this any different than before? I think you are confusing me with one of the many others who criticized the list. I never called you a liar and I don't recall calling your work BS either.

We don't even have to leave tonight's post to put that claim to rest. Four hours ago, in the thread titled "Rosewill PHOTON 50W vs Corsair RM650x PSU?" I wrote: "The tier lists in this forum are a hot mess and barely worth considering. The Corsair RMx should be at least a tier up and has a solid advantage over the Photon." There you go. An example of a clear and actionable information that will be ignored like all the others. I didn't even have to leave this evenings posts to prove you wrong. And Fasauceome, you posted in that thread. I have a lot more where that came from. Just give the word and I will happily quote them for you going back two months. I could also restate all those criticisms and suggestions if you wish. But claiming that I wasn't offering them is just bizarre.

I contribute ideas all the time. So do most of the other critics. They are simply ignored. Which especially shocking when you consider how knowledgeable some of the critics are.

Given the number of really solid to great PSU's that end up in Tier D, it wouldn't shock me at all if he was right. The list in its current form is a joke.

The tier lists in this forum are a hot mess and barely worth considering. The Corsair RMx should be at least a tier up and has a solid advantage over the Photon. That said, I agree with Fasauceome that the Photon is a great value at that price point.

Was this your first build?

I'm not convinced that this is a PSU issue.

That is true. At least there isn't much garbage in the upper tiers. Hard to make a recommendation without knowing his location. Pricing varies so much from country to country. I guess I will ask. May I ask where you are located? Do have any preferred web sites you like to purchase from?

A fair point. That sort of thing is always possible, even with newer units. That particular card can push 300 watts. It's not exactly a lightweight. I just know that I see a lot of issues with them that are finally resolved with new PSU's. It's a good card, but I am wary of it if you aren't sporting a meaty PSU. Remember, a little more wattage can help with big transient spikes too. It's not strictly about sustained load. Just don't downgrade quality for wattage. That would be a mistake. Good point about it possibly being modified. S12II based XFX units always seem to display odd behaviors. I have no idea what they change but I never trusted them as much as other variants. Especially true of the TS series, which the specs claim has DC to DC . I am not aware of any reviews of this unit either.

Have you? There have been links to 3 or 4 reviews of S12II and S12II based units posted here in the last two months, including at least one by you. None of them have displayed the behavior you describe. I could post more if I really wanted to, but your the guy doing the PSU tier list, remember? This is one you should be able to figure out on your own. Especially given that the S12II is one of the most reviewed units of all time.

This is actually a really good suggestion. I have seen a GPU undervolt solve a few of these types of issues.

Yes. GoldenLag isn't totally wrong when he says a good 550 would probably work too, BUT I have seen that particular card cause a lot of psu issues. In your case, it has already done so once. I think the safest thing to do in that instance is to make sure you get a high end PSU and up the wattage a bit. Don't break the bank doing it, but its $20 more to get an RM650x instead of the 550x.

If age is the issue then why did the cx600 not have issues? Its a double forward, group regulated unit too. Its not out of the question, but my sense it that there is something more at work here. ANY config? How about a Radeon R9 295X2 and an FX 9000 series cpu?

No it won't. We have had this discussion a few times. The S12II series does not go out of spec on 12v crossloads.

The tier list is a waste of time. Too many units incorrectly categorized.

Bear in mind that the reading on such a device does not account for the psu efficiency curve. A certain percentage of power is lost to heat during the AC to DC conversion. That percentage usually falls between 8% and 20%, depending upon your PSU and the system load at that particular moment. Meaning the components after the PSU will be using a little less power than the power draw reading from the wall.

There isn't that much of a difference between the output of the TS 550 and the CX 600. Either the TS just needs replacement anyways or your system is right on the edge of its power requirement and thé CX gave it enough of a boost to stabilize it. The RX 5700 XT Nitro is a pretty vicious card. I see a lot of people reporting PSU issues with it. Going with another 550 watt unit is highly ill-advised in my view. I recommend 650w minimum here.

I disagree. I take the extra performance every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Besides, there are plenty of other options if you feel that strongly about the in-cable caps. The RM for example (non-X or I edition).

Run the same test you ran before

Could you download the latest version of OCCT, which I think is 5.4.2 and rerun that test? I want to see if we get same temp reading this time. It almost looks like it's throttling and coming back when it cools.

There is a lot data to sort through there. Two things did catch my eye: 1) You mentioned a PSU test of some sort that apparently failed, but I didn't see any mention of the type of test, posting of the results, or the precise nature of the failure. 2). In one of the tests you did post, the CPU temperature was cycling between 60c and 85c during what appeared to be a CPU stress test. This strikes me as very odd behavior as temps usually stay fairly stable under stress tests and 80c+ is pretty darn hot. Can you shed any light on either of these events and have you observed any correlation between temperature and the freezes? Edit: I figured out which test was the PSU test. Odd CPU temps were in OCCT

I agree with seon123. You don't want to spend $100+ only to find out that it was something else all along. Could you walk us throughwhen the symptoms occur and what troubleshooting you have done so far?

Not how that works. They only have to stay in spec for the rated load. Nor are they required to shut down before going out of spec. It's certainly nice if they do, but 150w+ is neither an issue nor any cause for concern. No, I wasn't talking about Mask. It isn't important anyways.