Jisagi

I really don't  Doesn't seem like this does what you need. 

Not sure if it even lets you display an index.* file at all like an apache or nginx does. It does look like like it really is only good for listing directoy contents. I couldn't find anything regarding checks for something like and .htaccess like file for any possible configuration either. I might be wrong, but I don't think this allows for this kind of feature.

You could check out serve-index. It should mirror the default apache behaviour of listing directoy contents. There are also a few examples at the bottom of the README on their github page

You seem to want a lot for a small price, which isn't easy. Depending on how you define "low cost", this might be a bit much, but the Fractal Define 7 would be an option. You can fit even a 360mm rad into it and way more than 4 3,5inch drives. There is even an XL version of it with even more drive bays. 

5 hours ago, TargetDron3 said:

I don't trust cloud services.  Here's a few reasons why

 

1. Your data is now at the mercy of the provider.  Providers, even as big as Microsoft have issues.  We are using OneDrive here more as a local machine backup, not a file server, but we have bouts where we can't access data because a datacenter is down or having issues.  

 

2. Many cloud providers claim the data can't be seen by the provider, but that is bulls#*t.  They have the decryption keys.  It's built in by government requirements.  If you don't think the providers aren't mining the info uploaded to them, I have beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.  Amazon hasn't been caught doing this, but all of those Amazon Basics items were created based off of items that 3rd party vendors were selling on their platform and Amazon went to the mfgers in China and undercut the original businesses selling the items.  The moral is if there is a way for these big companies to make MORE money off of you and your data, they are going to do it. 

 

3. Security of your data.  You as a small business that isn't making waves, isn't a target.  Amazon, Microsoft, DropBox are all targets.  As with the Solarwinds hacks( another report just came out that they were compromised by China), big companies with reach into other companies are BIG targets for data theft.

 

4. Miss a payment? Does your company do ANYTHING that isn't in vogue with the current political climate at the data hoster?  Guess what, they'll cut you off in a second and tell you to eat a turd sandwich and you can't get your data back, you should have had backups!!

 

Spend the money on another computer, install unraid or Truenas core on it, set up a VPN and put your shares on it.  Back up to another computer every night for a simple solution that doesn't cost a lot of money or incur ongoing expenses. 

 

I hate the whole concept of cloud services for data storage, aside from setting up your own cloud with NextCloud or Owncloud. 

1. Yes sure, it's the same concept of your private finances. You use multiple way and spread the risk. You could compare a file sitting on a harddrive of a cloudprovider to the same file on a local harddrive without any backups. You sould always have backups! Just using a cloud provider doesn't mean you have a backup for all eternity.

2. "They have the decryption keys": Just a claim without any proof, same goes for the "government requirements". You claim it to be so, nothing more. If you're scared, just encrypt your data locally and then send it to the cloud provider just as every company does it with highly sensitive data. And please don't claim that they can decrypt everything with their magic master key to all encryption standards out there. THAT is bullshit.

3. See number 2, encrypt your data before uploading it.

4. See number 1, a cloud provider is not both storage and backup solution in one package. Offsite backups can also mean, outside of cloud provider 1 at cloud provider 2, or even locally with a mixed solution.

You seem to have a very deep mistrust in anything outside of your house, but on the other hand claim, having it inhouse solves all these problems. If you scared of your claimed possible decryption forced by some government, then all your vpn solution is even less secure then a locally encrypted file sent to a cloud provider. Your arguments are highly questional opinions at most, but mostly claims of risks they either don't exist, cannot be proven by any of us or are plain wrong. There are legitimate uses of cloud providers as well as local servers. Both have advantages, both have drawbacks, but none of them are as good or bad as you claim them to be.

EDIT:

To add my own opinion as well. I do also not trust cloud providers, but not in the way you do. I encrypt my data before I upload it and I have backups everywhere, locally and offsite. I don't trust them in a sense of them just being an offsite harddrive. It can fail and break and the data is lost. It has nothing to do with data stealing or spying, but in the sole fact that they are just another harddrive I store my data on. You never entrust your data to just 1 harddrive, but multiple ones.

4.4 GHz is the default boost clock of the 4790k. It can run on that w/o any problems or overclock. A 240mm AIO is total overkill for this cpu. Any decent air cooler is more than enough to run this cpu on 4.4 GHz all the time. I did the same with mine for 6+ years. The temps you posted are more than fine, there is still headroom. There is no nead to improve cpu temps at all at this point

Let me be the poor soul to read and comment on the rest

As @Levent already said, try to deperate high compute power and storage focused systems. A storage system with game server ready power is more than fine, but going really high compute like mining and such in the same machines doesn't sound too good. Try to seperate both and pick ahrdware for each task. Otherwise you overspend on hardware that could in theory fit both use cases.

How will you handle the backup part between both machines? I do understand your concept of " one is the backup of the other", but it does sound like the sister server your dad hosts is also used as normal NAS. You would then need a backup solution, which can differentiate between what is new on NAS A and what is new on NAS B. But how would it now what was deleted on one of them or never existed in the fist place. If you want to have both NAS' to used as storage by both you&wife and your dad wou would need a third machine to make backups easy. Otherwise the it sounds like a royal pain. It's possible, just not as easy as it could be.

6 cores are more than enough for a pure storage solution. Same goes for a small(ish) minecraft server. It does not really matter which brand you pick. If you ahve old hardware to use or e.g. and old intel mainboard, go with and intel cpu, otherwise pick whatever you prefer.

RAM depends on the use case. A storage server with a decently sized minecraft server can be run with 16GB no problem. Getting more than that is only usefull if either the storage solution offer some kind of benefit with more RAM or the other application/games need more. ECC comes also down to the use case. You want ZFS, consider it, otherwise probably not. Just check if the cpu/mainboard do have support for it.

Yes, it is kinda overkill to use SSDs in generall just for a few small documents. SpinUp is only a problem when the storage soultion spins them down. You can set things up to not spin them down at all if you want. If you have a lot of small documents, like really a lot and they are used simultaneously as well, then SSDs might be a good idea, otherwise just use a normal HDD. About the RAID5 and the SSD size. If money isn't a concern, just go with 2x 2TB and use a RAID1. Otherwise don't go with a RAID here, use the second server as personal backup and buy a small online cloud storage soltuion and third backup tier. SSDs in RAID5 are possible, but it doesn't really appeal to me. It's a valid option though. For brands, check the SSD Tier list in the storage device sub forum.

If have no clue about mining and the needed compute power for it. Maybe someone else can answer that part.

Case: Use whatever you like and what fits the components and has decent airflow, especially if you go with high compute components.

Use the linux you like  The is not really a correct or wrong answer here. Check what software you want to run and on which distro offer the capability to do so. I personally am a debian fan, but other might, or rather will, say otherwise

Minimal specs are usually  fine, 4GB might be not enough though, depending on the storage solution. 8GB will be enough though.

Minecraft and VPN aren't connected in any way. The VPN only offer additional option to conenct to internal system or applications through a secured tunnel. You can always access your minecraft server by using your public ip address and port forwarding whatever your minecraft is set to.

I have this one from Asrock Rack. It's an matx board, with 8 sata ports and 3 pcie slots which can be split into x4 in the bios. the two m.2 slots are only pcie3x2 and pcie2x4, so the only compromise you'd get is the m.2, which can be dealt with the open pcie slots. I really think there have to be some other boards who offer the same or comparable inputs

EDIT: They also have a new x570 one (X570D4U-2L2T) which has even more and offers pcie4 which helps even more when it comes to pcie lanes. This one is expensive though.

If you need a lot of sata ports, get a decent HBA. Otherwise you just work around the problem with bad solutions rather than actually fixing it. Same goes with M.2 slots. You cana lways just get a x4 pcie card to add another one or more of those. Tehre are more than enough matx board with 2 x8 pcie slots to add both into a single sytem. This increases the possible boards by a lot.

28 minutes ago, Totality said:

the ultimate bottlenecked system

I second the Connectx-3 cards, just bought 2 recently. Those still get official drivers and aren't that much more expensive than the older x2 model.

3 hours ago, Asklepios said:

@JisagiI live in Germany too (even though I'm not German), and I would buy those disks on Amazon (sold by Amazon itself), in case I will let you know what will they send me.

I received the second btach of harddrives yesterday and again chinese ones. I again sent them back, but this to be credited. the seller was Mindfactorey, so not some small random shop, but after talking to their support again, they are just not able to guarantee what kind of drive one recives.

I gladly found a local shop which can source an older model of the same drive for more or less the same price, but 100% with warranty valid in germany/europe.

About the enterprise drives in general: What I personally want from the enterprise drives, is the 5 year warranty. I want a NAS campable drive, so the ironwolf or enterprise ones are the one I looked for. If the price of a 5 year warranty drive is the same or even less than the other model with 3 years warranty, the choice is easy. You obviously don't have to go seagate, I just personally had good a experience with their drives so far. I do have drives from other vendors, but seagate had the best offer for a pretty good price compared to let's say WD and their RED lineup.

Since there is a lot of misinformation here, this is a full list of things your computer A actually does when sending a package/file to another computer B:

1. Computer A checks the subnet mask of the target computer B with a logical bitwise AND to see if it's in the same network as computer B. In your case, they are
2. Computer A checks its ARP table for the MAC address of computer B
   1. It didn't find the MAC address and sends an ARP request for the MAC address to the whole network on the broadcast IP (the last IP in the network)
   2. ALL computers in the network receive said request and ignore it, if wasn't meant for them
   3. Only computer B answers with and ARP response
   4. Computer A receives the ARP response and updates its local ARP table with computer Bs MAC and IP address
3. Computer A found the address of Computer B in its ARP table and its respective (local) IP
4. Computer A starts to send IP packages DIRECTLY to computer B. Computer B is not referenced by its local IP, but its MAC address
5. The switch receives the package and sees computer Bs MAC address as recipient and checks its switch table for computer Bs MAC address
   1. If the switch does not find computer Bs MAC address, it send the package to ALL devices (flooding) that are plugged into it
6. The switch found computer Bs MAC address in its switching table and therefore knows, on which port computer B is connected and then forwards the package to it
7. Computer B receives the package. Done!

Used terminology: 

MAC address: The physical address of the devices' net work adapter. If youa re conencted over cable AND WiFi, you have one MAC address for each connection.

ARP table: A list, in which a computer maps IP addresses to MAC addresses

Switching table: A list the switch stores (as long as it powered on) with the MAC addresses and ports all devices are connected on

What @zhnuand @mariushmsaid is true, so I thought I'd go into a bit more detail.

What @Skiiwee29said on the other hand is 100% wrong. Local data transfer is NEVER routed, but switched. The terminology is very important here. Therefore, since it's switched, the router is NOT involved at all. It might receive, or rather, it will receive, some packages along the way when a broadcast or a flood happens, but it will completely ignore those packages/requests. The router is only involved, when the first check with the subnet mask shows, that the target comptuer is NOT in the same network. This case would now involve the router by routing the package as default gateway of said network to wherever the target computer is. The router would never limit the bandwidth from computer to computer B, if both are on the same network!

6 hours ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

If you dont' plan to overclock, you really don't need that much cooling, A nh d9l will work well here, and be more than enough for those chips stock, they really don't use that much power.

 

Is this going in a server rack? If so, just spin the fans faster as normally noise won't matter. Also depening on your rack, id stay away from anything that has side intakes.

 

I have a dual 2011 system in a. 4u case with some cheap deepcool coolers, and they work fine, and those chips use about the same power as a 5950x. You really don't need that much to run the chip at stock.

Thank you very much for the insights you provided. If that really is enough, than this solves the whole problem. Using a side intake is absolutely stupid because of a Rack mount, I really didn't think this case through enough :D. I will search for a fitting case with decent front intake w/o too many drive cage stuff in the front.

The NH-D9L looks very good and even lets me mount a second fan onto it. The cooler seems to be enough for even higher wattage/usage cpus. The plan is to get one and mount a second NF-A9 to it. That should be more than enough for usage at stock as it seems.

Now I can finally finish this up and wait for the new Radeon gpus. Thank you!

Hi, I'm currently buying everything for my new computer, but I'm kinda stuck with my desired case. I planed to use the SilverStone RM42-502, but here in Germany it's basically not byuable, because of the very bad availability. Buying it overseas directly costs me more shipping than the case itself. Therefore I'm searching an alternative to this case. The main selling point for me was the possibility to install a 240mm AIO into the case, because normal tower coolers, which I'd usually go for, like the NH-D15 or the Dark Rock Pro 4, are too high. A downdraft cooler like the Dark Rock TF, would be my only alternative if i cant install a "decent" AIO. The alternative I thought about was the SilverStone Grandia GD07B-C, which has 2x 120mm side instakes, but those can't hold a 240mm Radiator, because the MB is mounted too close to it.

My planed config is the following:

CPU: 5950X (which I was finally able to buy yesterday )

GPU: 6800XT

MB: MSI X570 Unify (ATX)

There are no additional components to be mounted into the case, no harddrives, frontpanels or diskdrives. An "ideal" case would be anything that can fit an ATX motherboard and an 240mm AIO. I did think about a small 120mm one, but I feel like this might not be enough for the cpu I chose. I do not plan to do any overclocking, so the main focus is just to keep the cpu cool (enough), so a full load over a prolonged period of time doesn't bring it to it's thermal limits.

I'd also be content with an explanation, that a certain downdraft Cooler or a 120mm AIO would be enough to cool it at least decently.

EDIT: I forgot to mention: The maximum length of any possible case cannot be more than 542mm, as my Rack doesn't support anything longer than that.

After more than a year, I was finally ready to buy the drives I asked for back then. I settled with 6x Exos 8TB drives which arrived today, but sadly I had to send them back right away. They sold me "china warranty only" products, which is even marked on the drive itself. After some talk with the seller and the seagate support, I sent them back the same day, because nobody could guarantee a replacement when a drive dies within the 5 years warranty.

After some quick googeling, I found a few people having the exact same "problem", albeit in diffrent regions of the world. For me its a china product for the german market, which was confusing, even for the seagate support, why an official (re)seller sold me such drives.

A question for everyone still reading this (old) thread: Did anyone have the same problem? Did it happen with an Exos (enterprise) drive, or maybe even with a non entperprise (ironwolf, barracuda, ...) drive?

Let's hope the seller can solve the issue at hand, so I can finally finish my long awaited home server project

To elaborate some more on what Electronics Wizardy said. If a hardware raid card dies, you have to get the exact same card with the esact same firmware. Otherwise there is a high chance the data is gone (Not always, but most of the time). Software to manage a raid is replacable, hardware is too, but way harder and more complicated.

I'll throw two into the ring. First is LC-Power for their shitty PSUs in their cases which already fried one complete system and the second one is Thermaltake because of the bullshit they pulled over the years

No, don't combine a 3090, which is even faster than a 3080, with your 4790k. Wait to buy both at the same time. The cpu is just too old to hold up to this new generation of gpus

2 minutes ago, zell950 said:

i'm pretty sure there's going to be a 3080ti later with more vram but rn i'm looking to buy the 3090 FE, i'm just waiting for the release day so I can buy it and prob do some benchmark when it arrives. 

2 minutes ago, Cvet76 said:

The quantity of VRAM means only the max amount of data that it's able to consume. The transfer rates of PCIE gen 4 and the new ways these GPUs are processing all this data will make sure you don't run out of memory too soon. I'm sure the 3080 will be enough for quite a while. But then again, depends on what reality shows us when these finally get used and abused and reviewed. Also depends on your use case.

I agree with both of you. I kinda doubt there will be a higher vram model this year though and even if 10gb is enough for now, is it still in a few years? Nobody knows, so I try to be safe and buy a bit more. Sadly the "buy more" option is that expensive (for now).

I'd love to get the rtx3080, but only having 10gb vram might be not enough at least in the long run. I'm a fan of buying a bit more expensive and having my stuff longer. My gtx980 was (excluding an titan class ones) the most expüensive on I could get back then and is still kicking but those 4gb vram it has really is crap now. Buying a rtx3090 might actually be the "only option" I have, if I don't want to wait till (maybe) next year. For now I still have some time till I buy something, because I'll wait for RDNA2 and the new Zen3 cpus. This should be enough time to ponder over buying one or the other card.

Sounds like a very good testing szenario for the LTT team and their ampere review

IMHO, for me it's either a 3090 or wait for a 20gb 3080 model

1 minute ago, Bobby Frags said:

The general consensus among the Tech YouTubers is:

 

RTX 3090 replaces the Titan

RTX 3080 replaces the 2080ti

RTX 3070 replaces the 2070??

 

Jensen really did not make this very clear. And... it really does need to be clear. When naming schemes shift up or down and cards fill new spots in a line-up, people get really confused. Nvidia did an equally poor job by not explaining that the RTX 2060 was not a replacement for a GTX 760/960/1060. They make these shifts in the stack and we’re all left wondering. 

The 3070 already is as fast or faster than the 2080 ti, so the 3080 is new teritory somewhere between 2080Ti und the old titan

Didn't they even say it's the new Titan in the reveal event? I think they did